Should anyone be suprised?
Trump, the same Trump that killed boarder legislation because he didn't want to give biden a win?
Not him, no, never.
Via user kingshrubb: Apparently she retracted her comments https://www.nytimes.com/2024/08/22/world/middleeast/trump-netanyahu-cease-fire-talks-israel-woodruff-pbs.html
So like the alleged deal between the Reagan campaign and Iran during the hostage crisis to get elected and oust Carter?
Or Kissinger and North Vietnam to get Nixon elected. It's a time honored Republican strategy.
What do you mean? Oliver North took all the blame!
Oh no, you're thinking of Iran-Contra, the other treasonous act that Reagan committed involving Iran. OP is talking about the rumored deal Reagan made with Iran wherein Iran would not release the American hostages until after the 1980 election. Coincidentally, the hostages were released on January 20th, 1981, the day Reagan was sworn in.
Sidenote, has anyone seen the Netflix documentary about the octopus murders? I think the proof that Reagan made that deal is at the heart of that conspiracy.
Edit: I've just come across this in another thread. It seems the hostage deal between Reagan and Iran did, in fact, happen. https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/a43368900/reagan-iran-hostages/
I do not recall.
🎶 Ollie North 🎶 OLLIE NORTH 🎶
It is crazy to me that all of the "Genocide Joe" crowd don't see that Netanyahu wants Trump to win so he can show the world what genocide actually looks like.
Well, not that crazy, considering a good portion of them are propagandists.
It all so closely resembles 2016. Remember the phantom Bernie Facebook groups? Remember "Bernie supporters" voting trump instead. They think we are idiots and some of us must be for falling for it, time, and time again.
Where is our little rogues gallery right now? Every single thread for every little detail any Dem does, they are reliably in the comments screeching. "How wretched is this miserable party to stoop so low, how despicable their voters!" But I haven't seen any of them in this thread.
Isn't him doing that illegal? Like very illegal?
Yeah, but if Reagan can get away with it
I wish people would stop saying "but" and maybe just like call it in? Stage a protest? Demand that he be brought up for charges?
Like if it's a crime and he doesn't have a defense, uhh... like what's the holdup? The "Teflon Don" from your history books was eventually convicted, even after it seemed his ability to escape consequences was limitless.
Maybe if they stopped sending billions in weapons to Israel they could make something happen.
Reagan did the same thing with the hostages in the embassy in Iran.
Lol I was like "hold on, I've seen this one"
ARRROOOOO
And Democrats will just allow the Republican to get away with treason 'for the good of the country', even though that's how we got into this mess. If Nixon actually went to jail, this whole era of Republican dirty tricks and corruption would've never happened.
They’ve got a lot of lawsuits against him already. And this act he can’t use “presidential duties” to hide behind because he ain’t president. If there’s evidence I can see Garland prosecuting.
theRe Really seems to be a common thRead between all these cRiminals that’s difficult to deteRmine.
Great, next Trump's regressive economic policies will become bipartisan, and we'll have a generation of propagandized liberals telling us they're ackchually helpful.
Boy, if this had happened twice I'd have two nickels.
OH WAIT
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1980_October_Surprise_theory
Republicans just genuinely don't have any original ideas.
It's posts like this that always oddly have 0 tankie comments lamenting about genocide Joe. Weird how that is, it's like they avoid all articles that disprove their entire worldview. Crazy.
I want to point out that there may not be that many "tankies" on Lemmy. And Biden isnt running right ? So its not "genocide Joe" .... it is now in Kamala's court.
Problem: Kamala is tough on crime, Kamala is tough on bordercontrol ( she famously told people "DO NOT COME TO THE UNITED STATES". She is strong in every talking point Conservatives and Right-wing media are throwing at establishment democrats.
So "tankies" are the far-left commies, so they agree on everything to the other extreme with right-wing nuts.
Kamala is poison to both extreme groups. Hence crickets you get silence.
Hey I'm pretty extreme and anti-genocide, but I think we all hope she just wins so we can start giving her a hard time about Israel and her conservative stances, without worrying about the much worse option getting elected.
But I'm not even American. So the domestic aspect doesn't impact me and much, beyond of course wanting the best for you guys
Idk about Lemmy, but I lose brain cells on YouTube about this stuff whenever I make a mistake of scrolling down to read the comments. Just yesterday I saw a comment under a video where someone was speaking in support for Harris, the comment was something like “supporting evil and not knowing it”. I am not gonna outright say that Kamala is not evil, but to call Kamala evil over Trump takes some very high level of ignorance.
Just when you think he couldn't be any more cartoonishly evil.
"Oh waiter, more genocide please"
Waiter: "excellent choice sir. Unfortunately, we have nothing in stock from the Geno region of Eastern and centre Europe or the Atroci region of sub Saharan Africa. The best I can offer is sparking murder induced ethnic cleansing."
Something, something, Iran Hostage Crisis, something, something, more bullshit from the Reagan playbook
To all the "Harris and Trump are the same crowd, stop being so cowardly and try to say that shit here and now. Or don't, and confirm that this whole time you were being wilfully ignorant because you enjoy purity politics nonsense.
I'd like to have a serious discussion with a "leftist" who is unwilling to sully themselves with a Harris vote.
It know it's not possible because their politics are fed by their emotions but I'd love to know what they think Americans can accomplish in 2-3 months that will help keep trump out of office.
Fine, maybe they accept that there is nothing that can be done. Then I'd ask, how can you delude yourself into thinking a trump presidency will be no big deal? The answers gotta be they want to destabilize the government. If that's true, I can't see how they reconcile the human toll that comes with it.
I don't want to see their lives turn to shit with everyone else's but if they really think trump is the same grade of shit as the democrats it's going to be a rude awakening. They are walking themselves off a ledge and I'm so pissed about it.
It's true, humans have the ability to overcome great obstacles. The formula for that type of change has never been determined. Our influence must be measured and maybe they have. Maybe the calculus adds up. Except, I've gotten no indication they they are even willing to rationalize what they are asking for.
In 2016 we got maga's. How cruel would it be if the political pendulum doesn't swing and away toward justice and injustice but rather; order and disorder. Isolated power to opposing isolated power.
If I were Kamala I'd disavow Isreal today. If I were biden I'd send Isreal 20 billion dollars worth of dog shit. Despite all that I can only take the small actions available to me that will set the course of what I want to see done. I don't want to live in an America without democracy. So the choice is plain. Fascism is here? Of course it is, no one has stood up to it yet. By no one, I mean my neighbors. My brothers and sisters. My community. My local government. The federal government.
Sure we have dissenters but they cannot even stand on the high principles they have stood up.
Fine, maybe they accept that there is nothing that can be done. Then I'd ask, how can you delude yourself into thinking a trump presidency will be no big deal? The answers gotta be they want to destabilize the government. If that's true, I can't see how they reconcile the human toll that comes with it.
No, this is it exactly.
In some of their comment history and they are praising China and other authoritarian countries. They don't care that it is state capitalism producing billionaires, just everything about the US is bad so anything anti-US is good. They want the US to collapse so China can expand influence. They don't care about the human toll or will excuse it as means justified by the end.
Usually if they have that comment history you can get them to flip out just by stating their agenda. They do a long-ass theorypost in response. Also asking why Uyghur genocide is excusable will make them angry.
The ones who are not foreign to the US or extremely privileged children who believe they will be on a college campus in perpetuity, sheltered from Donald by mommy and daddy's money.
So what’s Kamala’s strong stance on this genocide then?
Seems to me she doesn’t want to ruffle the feathers of AIPAC and the like. That’s not very inspiring. Hell, innocent people are dying in Gaza every day and she tells protestors “I’M TALKING”.
She is part of the problem. And so are you. ☺️
AND WOULD YOU LOOK AT THAT: The journalist who reported that story said it wasn’t real and apologized.
OOOPS! Sorry Mr. Liberal capitalist war hungry monster.😚
So what’s Kamala’s strong stance on this genocide then?
Given the fact that Trump has told Netanyahu not to come to a ceasefire agreement with Harris... what do you think her stance on genocide is then? This isn't rocket science-- Trump clearly knows a ceasefire agreement that involves Harris and Netanyahu is on the table.
Seems to me she doesn’t want to ruffle the feathers of AIPAC and the like. That’s not very inspiring. Hell, innocent people are dying in Gaza every day and she tells protestors “I’M TALKING”.
Is she POTUS yet? Can she tell Israel with any authority to do anything beyond her capacity as VP? Can you see why it would be absurdly presumptuous of her to do presidential things before she's even been elected?
She is part of the problem. And so are you. ☺️
Again, why do you think Trump called Netanyahu and told him not to agree to a ceasefire with Dems?
The fact is she either wins the election or it won't matter what she thinks. The administration cannot take a anti-Netanyahu/pro-Palestinian position right now without losing Jewish support, both voters and donors. I suspect post-election we'll see Biden & Kamala suddenly become much more vocal against what Israel is doing.
Oh I'm just sure that Linkerbaan is reposting this as we speak. Since he totally wasn't lying about Trump supposedly trying to negotiate a ceasefire lol
man I'm against genocide as much as any reasonable person. but fuck that guy.
Zionist!! /s
You obviously support genocide then!! /s
Doesn't that violate some US law? He is not authorized to negotiate with a foreign power. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logan_Act
Nobody has ever been convicted under the Logan act, and Trump is desperate to win to shield himself from much more serious charges. But yes, if likely does.
He can be the first to be convicted of it then. Trump loves superlatives
The only reason I could believe it, is that it's happened before. See: Reagan and the Iran hostages.
Still, I'm going to need a better source. This seems uncharacteristically competent.
If that's true, it's absolutely abominable.
And illegal
We don't want boarders though. They will just kill us all and take our ship.
Or they’ll eat our food and leave the bathroom a mess.
Oh hey the traitorous traitor is doing traitor things.
It’s Iran-Contra all over again.
I don't want an end to killing because the killing helps me.
Doss a history of this behavior count?
"Russia are you listening?"
"Perfect Phone Call."
Wow. What Dick move
the same Trump that killed boarder legislation
You're giving Trump way too much credit. Republicans couldn't pass a border bill under Bush Jr, when they had all three branches of government firmly in hand and "Protecting the Border" was a major campaign issue. A big chunk of the GOP wants to literally do a holocaust followed by a massive land grab along the US/Mexico border. Any legislation that doesn't grant this is DOA in the Republican-controlled House.
Trump got to be the face of why it failed this time. But it was Duncan Hunter and Tom Tancredo back in 2006. And it was Cornyn, McCain, and Graham who killed it in 2011. Then Republicans killed their own Border Security and Immigration Reform Act of 2018, back when it might have helped Trump.
Its so fucking easy to kill immigration bills in Congress. Nobody likes voting for them. Anything that can even be hinted at increasing the amount of legal immigration is a poisoned pill. They always fail.
Bibi: give us some MOABS and permission to build beachfront properties and you very got s deal.
People will keep dying, but that's okay.
/s
It's a sacrifice he's willing to make.
Apparently she retracted her comments https://www.nytimes.com/2024/08/22/world/middleeast/trump-netanyahu-cease-fire-talks-israel-woodruff-pbs.html
Nothing like some good ol shit stirring. Still wouldn't be suprised if it did happen.
??? How can he do that? Isn't that illegal? Or treason? Or both?
Also, Jesus, he just keeps getting worse. "No, no, keep killing people. I have an election coming up." - "Totally not the bad guy" Trump
I'm gonna need more than somebody's social media post on this.
Edit: Because right now it's "somebody's" social media post with an unsourced and undated quote from "someone" referring to "reporting," with a picture of a lady that has a PBS/NewsHour watermark. This is exactly the kind of thing you should be skeptical of in the absence of better confirmation, all up and down that ladder of vagueness.
You right, ill change my title.
Edit: Here's the original discussion w/ timestamp. I want to say, I've been avoiding xwitter for so long I really hate linking it right now.
https://x.com/profcarroll/status/1825910248189591637/mediaViewer?currentTweet=1825910248189591637¤tTweetUser=profcarroll
Here's a couple links if anyone wants to venture down this rabbit hole
https://www.axios.com/2024/08/15/trump-netanyahu-gaza-hostage-ceasefire-deal-call
https://www.reuters.com/world/netanyahu-denies-report-he-spoke-trump-about-gaza-talks-2024-08-15/
Edit2:
https://www.politicususa.com/2024/08/20/doj-investigation-requested-into-trump-trying-to-illegally-block-gaza-ceasefire.html
Possible replacement for that twitter link, here's an article discussing Woodruff's comments - https://web.archive.org/web/20240820213405/https://newrepublic.com/post/185076/donald-trump-scheme-beat-kamala-harris-benjamin-netanyahu-ceasefire
The rueters one doesn't indicate anything about Trump talking to Bibi and discouraging him from setting up a peace deal.
Yeah. The hostage situation is “very tough”. They’re not gonna ‘fix’ that for him its just right out there like that’s how leaders talk. As if. And, agreed, he couldn’t lead a Mongol horde out of a wet paper bag.
Non of those links confirm the tweet. Honestly this smells like fake news, as OP, has pointed out.
Agreed. The "lady" is Judy Woodruff, PBS anchor and correspondent since it was the MacNeill-Lehrer News Hour, so it would greatly surprise me if she didn't have some credible evidence behind "the reporting is".
But I missed that moment last night, so I'd want to be sure she said it.
She did, see link above.
Here's a link to an article about this further down my front page
Complete tangent but how did you edit your comment without causing an edit mark to appear on it?
I edited it within a very short time after posting it. There's some kind of "grace period" (at least on fedia.io), but I don't know exactly what it is.
😂You really think Judy Woodruff is gonna put her reputation on the line by spreading BS? Good lord...
Edit: Oof, turns out she apologized and got the story wrong.
I don't see any indication that she's related to this. Anyone can put a picture of anyone near some text, and claim that they are quoting that person.