No end to Gaza war until ’destruction’ of Hamas, says Netanyahu
No end to Gaza war until ’destruction’ of Hamas, says Netanyahu
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No end to Gaza war until ’destruction’ of Hamas, says Netanyahu
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Which essentially makes it a forever war. Israel's defenders keep saying this too- the war will end when Hamas is destroyed.
Every child killed creates a potential new Hamas member. Netanyahu knows this.
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He’s taking a page from the Torah. One of the ways to completely eliminate your enemy was to wipe their entire culture off the face of the earth so not even one child is left to grow up to be a potential threat.
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This is true. Israel benefits immensely each time there is a conflict -whether it's settlements or the upper hand in negotiations. The Palestinians are hurt the most and in a tough spot between Hamas and Israel. I'm not sure that either side will offer any concessions after Oct 7 but it would be in everyone's interest if Israel did offer concessions at this point because the cost of waging war indefinitely I don't think bodes well for them.
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The ceasefire will force Netanyahu to form agreements within international law. Biden has already restored the sanctions, that Trump had previously repealed, on Israeli settlements on Palestinian land. Expansion is off the table. The only claim Israel can make is for return of hostages and request an end to attacks. If they fail to negotiate, or breach agreements afterward, Biden will have a documented platform for amendment of existing munitions supply.
Had the State Department not suppressed the intelligence that would have led to conclusive findings of war crimes, he could have already justified amendment of support against the direction of Congress.
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Are you saying Biden simply isn't aware of the genocide, or that he's completely powerless to have stopped the military aid?
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What are you talking about, the Israeli government just announced a record breaking set of new settlement expansion lands. What sanctions did Biden restore or did Trump even add? Biden sanctioned less than 10 individual settlers and then repealed those sanctions under pressure.
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We are reading the same story every week now.
Hamas accepts a permanent ceasefire and Israel refuses. They should change up the script a bit.
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You forgot where Biden tries to say him and Israel have a path to peace but it's Hamas who won't work with them...
And within 24 hrs Bibi clarifying he only wants a "final solution" where none of his "enemies" are left alive, so no one should listen to Biden.
I'm pretty sure we're on double digit laps by now.
I just don't understand why Biden at this point is still saying shit, knowing Israel is going to immediately say the quiet part out loud again.
It's not.just that Biden won't stop funding this genocide, apparently him and his admin are the dumbest people ever. Even if they know what they're saying is bullshit, they always forget Israel will just say shit like this that blows up trying to blame it on anyone else.
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Don't forget the israel shills talking about releasing the hostages to "end all this"
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To be clear, this is on the right wing Netanyahu government, not all of Israel. There is protests in Israel about this right now : https://news.sky.com/story/huge-protests-call-on-israeli-pm-benjamin-netanyahu-to-approve-us-ceasefire-deal-and-release-hostages-13146730
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Wasn't there already a permanent ceasefire that Hamas broke?
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Do take note that Biden's proposal from yesterday was supposedly drafted at Netanyahu's cabinet, according to the US government itself. Netanyahu now opposes their own initiative because he's decided it's not convenient for him to end the war just yet. This isn't some sort of principled attempt to paint himself as the protector of Israel, but a pathetic excuse of a man willing to sacrifice more lives for his own self interest.
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This is Netanyahu playing Biden like a fiddle.
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Yeah but they're arab lives, so they don't count them.
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Biden’s proposal from yesterday was supposedly drafted at Netanyahu’s cabinet, according to the US government itself.
Source on that? It's interesting that you say "supposedly...according to the US government itself." If the government says something, usually it's easily verifiable.
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I can't find the source for that specific point, but there was an Israeli draft for a truce proposal moving around a little bit earlier:
https://www.arabnews.com/node/2491001/middle-east
And some political commentators were interpreting Biden's move as a means to lock the Israeli government in this position before they changed their mind again
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Biden was lying. He thought that he could pressure Netanyahu to agree, but since so far Israel continued to receive almost full support from the US despite all public talking, Netanyahu knows that Biden is his lapdog.
Biden has been and wants to continue to support Netanyahu and the genocide. It is only now that he starts fearing people to be fed up with genocide Joe, that he needs to do something about it. But he completely underestimates that the people aren't stupid and they have learned so much about the reality of Israel and the US that just building a Pier for aid that didnt deliver more than one shipment doesn't cut it. Biden is an old man that is unable to face new realities and understand that people don't perceive the world along his entrenched convictions. He said it himself. He is a Zionist and he wants to always support Zionism. He just struggles to understand why progressive Americans are not fine with mass murder of brown people anymore.
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No end to Gaza war until the destruction of Netanyahu
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So he said out loud that he won't accept anything but a Final Solution?
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Do you think all Palestinians are Hamas?
Seems racist to me.
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I mean he is killing them indiscriminately defending it as hamas
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The Israeli government conveniently thinks exactly that.
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Dude, chill. I'm on your side.
I think eliminating all of Hamas is a practical impossibility without eliminating essentially all Palestinians, because Israel has shown us again and again that it's unable or unwilling to to fight Hamas without killing any civilians who happen to be near them. And even if that were not the case, I think Netanyahu would gladly kill every last Palestinian under the pretense of eliminating Hamas.
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Incase anyone here is not already aware, the war is causing Hamas. Word is that previously Hamas was caused by Netanyahu's direct support.
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This is ridiculous take. Hamas existed before the war and have been a terrorist organization for decades.
Criticize Israel and the handling of the war all you want, that is fair. But this white washing of Hamas as if they weren't deranged extremists is just ridiculous.
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white washing of Hamas
What? How do you read this as white-washing Hamas? My comment didn't claim Hamas was ever virtuous, infact it was entirely silent in text on if hams was good or not. I thought it was part of the subtext, but if it's not clear: Hamas is bad. The reason Netanyahu chose Hamas as his enemy is because they're evil and hard to cheer for, which makes the genocide easier.
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It's a shame their definition of Hamas includes all Palestinians.
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Ask your american friends how well a war against terrorism works.
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It doesn't.
Sincerely, an Iraq/Afghanistan vet
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If only we could figure out a way to shoot an ideology....
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See Also: The War on Drugs, The War on Terror.
Because those went well. Big success story.
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Vietnam
Al Qaida
Even the US COVID response...
All were stopped eventually because the US government got bored and wanted to do something else. No winners. Only losers.
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It's only possible to eliminate Hamas if Israel pushes out or kills everyone in Gaza.
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Isn't that what they're doing already? They don't differentiate between Palestinians and HAMAS anymore.
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Never did.
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Sure looks like it to me. Israel couldn't care less about Hamas in my opinion. That's just the cover story.
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Now, now Bibi. You wouldn't want to be compared to an Austrian art school dropout that orchestrated the death of some your ancestors now would you?
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Lets hope Hamas don't start immigrating! Imagine Israel trying to catch them inside London, or Paris during the Olympics! So many innocent, but necessary lives would be sacrificed!
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Many of them are already outside of Gaza's borders in Syria, Lebanon, etc. Is Israel going to start invading them?
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If he wants to destroy Hamas, what's the plan for someone else to take over after Hamas? Oh right, there is no plan for that. Whenever this war ends, Hamas will still be there and more powerful than ever, because that's exactly the strategy that is Israel is (wittingly or unwittingly) following.
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I'm under the impression that it's pretty evident that Israel is doing a land grab. They've been doing it since 1967.
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I'm afraid at this point it's obvious it's the other way around, and there is no end to the Gaza war until Israel is dismantled, its leaders are given the Gaddafi treatment, its settlers are hung and Palestine is restored.
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That's what the Arab league has been saying for 70 years, people are finally listening to muslims now it seams
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I hope you realize that you in your comment advocated for the killing of at least half a million people.
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must be nice. you fund and create hamas to stop the pro peace PLO so that you can use their existence to perpetrate endless war
epecially when the palestinian authority warned you that calling an election would result in the ascension of hamas to power and israel and the us insisted on the election anyway.
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create hamas
That's not how it works.
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So, if that’s true, and Netanyahu helped fund Hamas… Does that make Netanyahu…. Hamas?
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This is the best summary I could come up with:
Benjamin Netanyahu has insisted on Hamas’s destruction as part of an Israeli plan presented by the US president, Joe Biden, to end the Gaza war.
I welcome @POTUS Biden’s initiative & encourage all parties to seize this opportunity for a ceasefire, release of all hostages, guaranteed unhindered humanitarian access & ultimately a durable peace in the Middle East.”
The German foreign minister, Annalena Baerbock, said the Israeli offer “provides a glimpse of hope and a possible path out of the war’s deadlock”, and the EU chief, Ursula von der Leyen, welcomed a “balanced and realistic” approach to end the bloodshed.
Israel sent tanks and troops into Rafah in May, ignoring concerns over the safety of displaced Palestinian civilians sheltering in the city on the Egyptian border.
“There are a number of occupation [Israeli] snipers in high-rise buildings overseeing all areas of Tal al-Sultan ... making the situation very dangerous.”
The Israeli seizure of the Rafah crossing has further slowed sporadic deliveries of aid for Gaza’s 2.4 million people and in effect shuttered the territory’s main exit point.
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And they assume that the only way to destruct Hamas is killing each and everyone living there.
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Notice his gaslighting:
he's actively warring to destroy as much of the Palestinian population as possible, & eradicate them from their lands,
& he puts this forward as the real problem, or the key to solution..
Misdirection
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Isnt that exactly what Hamas said????
How long will we let this butter battle book go on?
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Weekly Genocide Joe gaslight complete.
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Proceeds to bomb children's hospital instead of Hamas
No, no, you don't understand. The children were Hamas
Bombing everyone in Gaza is a great way to turn many of them into hamas. How are those kids going to grow up sane and normal and make peace with Israel? Imagine a whole society with PTSD, it's horrifying. Israel knows this too, which is they want to protect themselves through genocide. They really do think those kids are hamas.
The average age in Gaza is under 19 so in all likelihood Hamas must be a lot of minors
But don't worry though, it's definitely not a genocide.
No, you see the pediatric doctors were seen talking to Hamas heath ministry officials so they're terrorists too! And it's really their fault because when they talked to the kids that made them Hamas as well. Sadly killing everyone is the only option left.