Trump told donors he will crush pro-Palestinian protests, deport demonstrators | Speaking to wealthy donors behind closed doors, he said that he supports Israel’s right to continue “its war on terror.
Trump told donors he will crush pro-Palestinian protests, deport demonstrators
I think we all knew this of President Drink Bleach, and we saw how he tear-gassed protesters that time when he held a Bible visibly for a photo shoot.
Trump's issue, I optimistically believe, is that those who wrote "Uncommitted" during the primaries and those who point out the ongoing genocide will still vote for Biden - because everyone has already correctly assumed what this article is stating.
Nonetheless, it's reaffirming to have confirmation. Thank you for posting this.
The important part is to align him with Biden and shit all over everything.
It doesn’t matter if there is a republican giving full throated support to apartheid… if a democrat even seems icky that’s more important.
But what is Genocide Joe going to do to earn MY vote.
South Park turned a whole fucking generation into "but both sides suck" idiots.
He’s not gonna be Trump. Got my vote.
Biden is required to ship weapons to Israel by law. He is doing what he can to limit Israel's carnage. Remember the USS Liberty? Israel doesn't care about anyone other than Israel.
Yup.
Would I like a better candidate? Of course. Do I want to cause untold suffering to myself and the people I love? Nope.
Bingo.
Whatever “genocide person” does for you is irrelevant. You are someone desperately asking for others to solve your problems. At worst the rest of us will solve your problems, otherwise you might do it yourself but I have my doubts…
These "I'm not gonna vote for Biden because my principles are too important" folks are really starting to piss me off.
Where were your principles last year? The year before? Where were they when Russia invaded Ukraine? What about the Rohingya? The Yazidi? How about here at home and what Republican power - in congress and across the courts? Where will they be if Trump wins and appoints another SCOTUS judge and packs the federal courts? When hundreds of transgender Americans are murdered? When women no longer have any autonomy over their bodies?
This isn't about your principles. It's not about you looking cool in a keffiyeh. This is about all of us on the left working together to reduce the most harm. You in your enormous privilege are not the main character here.
I mean seriously... get the fuck over yourselves you spoiled brats.
I suspect a lot of those people are arguing in bad faith and are actually spreading misinformation. That they never intended on voting for Biden, or always intended on voting for Trump and trying to make it seem like Biden is losing his base.
IRL, most people I know, while not happy with Biden's response acknowledge that Trump's view is much much worse.
The only difference between them is language. Both have no problem with slaughtering women and children and we are seeing it now. Biden doesn’t care and is supplying the weapons, just like he didn’t care when Lebanon was invaded.
Begin said Biden “rose and delivered a very impassioned speech” defending the invasion. Begin said he was shocked at how passionately Biden supported Israel’s invasion when Biden “said he would go even further than Israel, adding that he’d forcefully fend off anyone who sought to invade his country, even if that meant killing women or children.” Begin said, “I disassociated myself from these remarks,” adding: “I said to him: No, sir; attention must be paid. According to our values, it is forbidden to hurt women and children, even in war. Sometimes there are casualties among the civilian population as well. But it is forbidden to aspire to this. This is a yardstick of human civilization, not to hurt civilians.” The comments were striking from Begin, who had been notorious as a leader of the Irgun, a militant group that carried out some of the worst acts of ethnic cleansing accompanying the creation of the state of Israel, including the 1948 Deir Yassin massacre.
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I voted for Biden in 2020. At this rate I'm not voting for him in 2024.
Well put. The only principle we should be considering is saving as many lives as possible and preventing as much persecution as possible. Adherence to any principles which go against this simply shows those principles are not worth holding, not as absolutes at least.
Voting for the democrats isn't saving lives though. The red states are just going ahead with massive civil rights violations anyways. If the democrats won't step in to stop them then we don't have a reason to vote for them anymore. The worst case scenario is already happening. It's not in the future, it's now.
You are not going to get Arab-Americans to vote for Biden, forget it. You want us to carry water for someone slaughtering us while grinning. I voted for him in 2020 and that will be the last time I ever vote Democratic, the first time was for John Kerry in 2004. Voting Republican is of course not an option, it is third party from now on though I am making arrangements to leave the country. I am paying taxes to give myself PTSD watching Arabs get slaughtered with my tax money. I know most people don't have the means to leave the US, but I do.
Biden could have stopped this genocide from day one, not only he didn't but he continues to supply the weapons and political cover for Israel to continue massacring women and children. There's enough Arab-Americans to swing the election one way or another. Biden and the Democratic Party will have to earn our votes rather than extract them from us by scaring us with Trump.
It's your right to vote 3rd party, but doing so makes it only more likely that Trump will take office and ruin not just Palestine but the ability for Arab Americans and possibly every foreign born, and possibly non-white person in general, to live in the US. In our current political system, third parties count for nothing, it's a wasted vote. I'm not thrilled by Biden either but voting for president has to be strategic.
3rd party vote just goes to Cheato Mussolini
How could have Biden stopped it on day one? Really. Tell us.
wrong generalization bro , it's actually muslim americans
You are not on the left.
Being pro-palestine is not the definition of the left, the truth is things would only be worse for Palestine if Trump is elected, and in exchange for this punishment of the Dems the potential losses are immense and not just for Palestine. Being pro-palestine is very popular among the far right as well, and they are cheering for Trump just the same as you have been implicitly.
Obama gave people hope. Then Biden ran a very progressive campaign after Hillary lost a normal campaign. Our principles were always in play. Nothing has changed, Biden still has to earn votes and nothing Trump said is different from what Biden is doing. He's just saying it out loud. For the record Israel just bombed a known refugee tent camp and this is what other countries are saying. This is what the White House said. Either Biden is a joke that keeps getting played by Netanyahu or Biden thinks we're a joke. Either way is not going to win him votes. And his entire job is to win votes by representing the people. I doubt the kids being denied their college degrees care much whose in white house when the police stormed their protest encampment.
Biden still has to earn votes and nothing Trump said is different from what Biden is doing. He’s just saying it out loud.
You have to be in a position to not be affected by Republican policies to think that. Really to be single-minded about one issue, no matter how valid in itself, while ignoring everything else that affects so many so badly.
You may think you get virtue points for this but what you are showing is just how incredibly privileged and selfish you are.
This comment section is nothing but crabs in a bucket. This is why rightoids have people banning masks and forming armies of idiots while the left toils against each other. Being unified like the right has benefits but is against our ideals. We need to find a way to compromise with each other to get the most important things we can agree on done.
And yet the same people will hold their intelligence and principals in high regard.
Meanwhile, the Right keeps stacking their deck by playing tribal games with emotions.
When the "scorecard " is tallied, you'll notice intelligence and principals don't count for much if they're not being represented.
All I'm looking for is spears pointed in the right direction at this point. This is it. Right here, right now. We either vote in Trump and lose all democracy or we bite our tongue and use another Biden term to get ranked choice. We can no longer afford to kick the can down the road.
Centrists will never compromise leftward.
I think this is more because of a population imbalance. Left voters are not numerous enough to be worth compromising for -- on a purely numbers based assessment. The middle is a larger and more reliable voter base.
But, I think that's going to change over the next few decades. Progressives and further left people are becoming an increasingly important and large voting bloc. Numerically it will soon make sense to compromise leftwards to get more votes than compromising with the center. We're just not there yet.
But please, tell me how you refuse to vote for Biden "for Palestine's safety"
That is so messed up. Makes Biden look quite reasonable on the Gaza issue in comparison.
Trump legit wants to nuke Gaza.
Biden isn't handling the situation well, but Trump wound be orders of magnitude worse.
This is what people have been trying to say. Biden isn't doing a great job, but Trump would be infinitely worse. If you actually care about the Palestinians instead of scoring political points, there's a very clear choice who to vote for.
Really? What's different about this and what Biden is actually doing? Biden doesn't say the quiet part out loud. That's it. That's the only difference.
Where in the exact fuck does diaper don think he's deporting US citizens to?
Hopefully a western European country.
Fun fact, if you're targeted for deportation you can always voluntarily self deport. So if they create a diaspora there's going to be 3 major populations of expats. Mexico, where the administration will dump them. Canada where the people who could only afford a road trip went. And the EU where people who can afford a plane ticket went.
He'll put them up in one of his failing hotels then bill them for it.
The right wing has wanted to do this for a while. The rhetoric started with homeless people, (because everyone hates them, they're icky), and expanded to anyone they don't like. Hilariously, without a lot of other changes those people can still vote and if they're getting government disability, will continue to receive that. It will also serve to make the US a pariah state as the one thing nobody wants is refugees. Even ones with money attached.
So all people who say then wont vote Biden because of Gaza, do you see know that Trump is even worse?
Always did, yes.
The article doesn't seem to mention who these "donors" are... you know - the people with enough wealth to buy the politics the proles are constantly being told to "vote harder" for that seems quite happy to listen to their preferred stuffed suit talking about crushing dissent and accelerating ongoing genocide.
Okay, good fucking luck with that. You can’t deport natural-born citizens. What a fucking dumb fuck.
You definitely can — you don't have basic rights during a deportation hearing, such as the right to an attorney. All it takes is a bunch of law enforcement who are willing to do it and orders from above.
Trump scum cannot be reasoned with!
Swallow your pride and vote Biden.
I also hate the choice of lesser "evil"... but, do it!
Just repeat the mantra "three supreme court justices" over and over. Even if nothing else, the next president will almost certainly shape the court for decades to come. Alito, Sotomayor, and Thomas will all almost certainly retire or die in the next four years.
I would like to be deported to New Zealand please!
But yeah sit this one out because Biden isn't dramatically changing long standing us policy.
Either way Palestinians get slaughtered, but only one way Democrats will oppose it.
It's funny how this headline is exclusively about what Trump would do to pro-palestinian demonstrators, which comports completely with what he was doing to or wanted to do to George Floyd protestors, and yet the comments are mostly about... Joe Biden?
Stay classy, Lemmy.
Nobody wants to admit that America is a capitalist totalitarian state that simply changes faces every 4-8 years.
Vote for capitalism because you don’t have any other choice!
Biden isn't the hero we deserve, he isn't even a hero. At best, he is The Penguin who got out played by the Joker (as Trump doesn't even pretend to take the rules of society seriously).
Lemmy "leftists:" good thing it was never about the Palestinians.
"Leftists" on Lemmy will praise everything about China. I don't think real socialism is supposed to be making that many billionaires, so it must be something else they admire there.
Marx always knew there would be a transition from capitalism to socialism.
None of these measures abolishes capitalism straight away; each constitutes a partial intervention by the state in the economic mechanism of capitalism, and only in the totality, and over time, are they deemed to undermine capitalism completely. Thus, for instance, the measure ‘a vigorously graduated income tax’ assumes that under the dictatorship of the proletariat there would still be marked differences in incomes – that the capitalist would not be expropriated at a stroke. ‘During the revolution, the gigantic increase in the scope of taxation may serve as an attack on private ownership; yet even in such a case taxation must be a stepping stone to fresh revolutionary measures, otherwise there will be a return to the erstwhile bourgeois conditions.’
Do people like Trump because he aligns with their politics or because in a simple way he expresses American identities of being irreverent, 'straight talking' and entrepreneurial? Just a thought as an outsider.
I haven't read all of the comments, but here's a fact I haven't seen mentioned: The sociopathic narcissist doesn't give a rat's ass about Palestine, true, but he also doesn't give a rat's ass about Israel. He cares about himself, and will say or so anything to gain support and acclaim. He's making this threat solely because it plays well to his donors.
THAT'S the scary part. If the authoritarians didn't exist in our midst, he'd be a middle manager somewhere, instead of a contender for the office of President, again. THAT'S what we need to address, and the history of the past 30 or so years shows that getting a Democrat in office doesn't fix anything. Electing Biden won't make the authoritarians go away, which is why we're back with as rematch of the 2020 election, with our democratic institutions four years weaker, and the vulnerable people in our society more scared and more under threat.
Who's going to beat them in 2028?
They're going to be dead or drinking fruit puree from a straw in 2028 both are at the end of their intellectual lives and being president heavily shortens what energy you have left. Neither will be doing much at all in 4 years. It's why you should be looking at who the VPs are.
I can't wait to be deported back to Michigan.
I called that one a couple of weeks ago.
Is this supposed to be a full article? I'm confused by its brevity.
They forgot to get ai to fill it with irrelevant bullshit
You are correct
Convincing people that no matter who you vote for, we'll keep paying for the genocide is not a good strategy.
All that will do is make empathetic people not vote, and when turnout is low, republicans win.
Dems can't run in fear based politics about what the other side wants to do, the people that shit works on are already Republicans.
Dem voters want to hear about what Dems will do to help.
It is very very hard to change that, because it's literally how our brains work.
Dems tend to have larger prefrontal cortex (empathy and critical thinking) while Republicans have waaaay more amygdala activity (fear, flight/fright/freeze).
What appeals to one group, doesn't appeal to the other. But both groups cater to conservatives and hope they can guilt trip high empathy voters.
https://neuro.psychiatryonline.org/doi/full/10.1176/appi.neuropsych.16030051
The people running the Dem party need to learn some fucking empathy and realize just because deep down they're closer to conservatives than liberals, and that voters aren't motivated by the same shit.
I mean, we could just replace party leaders with empathetic people who understand their voters, but I'm not holding my breath.
Did you seriously just turn trump talking about deporting us citizens because they are saying something he doesn't like into "but here is why the democrats suck"?
Democrats do need a clearer distinction between themselves and Republicans on this issue.
If the Dems only standard is:
Not trump
While I agree it's good to at least maintain that, it's not enough to get the votes need to beat Trump.
It barely worked when he was in office, why wouldn't 24 be more like 16 than 20?
I don't think people understand that when the candidates are as bad as Biden and trump, that being an incumbent is a disadvantage.
If you think people want Biden as president, you're not paying attention
You’re 1000% correct with this analysis
Dems can't run in fear based politics about what the other side wants to do, the people that shit works on are already Republicans.
This is what’s so disheartening about the modern day DNC, as this seems to be their only campaign strategy since 2016. In a way, what they’re actually doing is normalizing and manufacturing consent for the repugnantcon platform.
“Not Trump” is the lowest possible bar, and the most pathetic part about it is sometimes Biden manages to fall short of it. Get off the fear based bs and lead with some substance Dems!
True but that's a false equivalence
I voted for Howie Hawkins
Great that you voted, but third party basically throws your vote away in a first-past-the-post system.
Let's look at three situations:
Scenario 1:
D: 1001 votes R: 1000 votes H: 0 votes
D wins
Scenario 2:
D: 1000 votes R: 1000 votes H: 1 vote
Tied election, decided by the House, so R wins
Scenario 3:
D: 999 votes R: 1001 votes H: 2 votes
R wins
This is why it makes enormous sense to avoid third parties in most of the US, and choose the major-party candidate you'd rather negotiate with.
Well, I’m glad then that the democrats aren’t violently suppressing free speech too.
Oh wait.
Right now, it's local officials, not the executive branch doing it in a coordinated way. We don't, for example, have the border patrol and FBI driving around in minivans with no insignia and name patch and snatching people off the street like we had during the Black Lives Matter protests under Trump.
It’s the legislative branch that just had a bipartisan movement to declare the protests illegal. Many democrats have publicly embraced the viewpoint that any anti-Israel speech is a hate crime. Even if Biden somehow manages to pull a win out of November, attacks by the president and congress are going to continue, and get much worse if people refuse to back down and adopt government sanctioned speech.
Trump is worse. This doesn't paint Biden any better for standing by spectating people's bloodlines being wiped away. You can yell at leftists all you want. The infinite loop of comprising your morals got people here not people wanting to change direction for something better. "We can vote Biden then focus on the next election for something better." We all heard that one before.
You don't fix our fptp system by throwing away your vote for POTUS. For even if it magically works, and a third party wins, it will just quickly revert back to two parties. It solves nothing and is just a dumb vanity vote. The POTUS vote now is a strategic one.
If you want to fix the system, you work from the bottom up to get the way we vote changed.
strategic voting is what leads to party consolidation.
You don't fix FPTP with blind loyalty either. That gets you where we are, right back in the gilded age.
People have been saying this for over 40+ years and liberals have lead the direction of the party with no results for working class people. If there was ever a time to show you're not locked into the duopoly now would be the time between two genocidal old men. People would suck it up and vote for Biden if at least attempted to show some backbone and stand for something. But every time he gets the chance he just works with Right Wingers on some bipartisan bs adopting their policies and direction.
Heard that in 2000, 2004, 2008, 2012, 2016, 2020, and oh hey! (checks the box)
You're thinking of things wrong and it's leading you to silly conclusions.
Voting for president is not about voting for the person that will solve of our problems.
Stop looking to the state to solve our problems, that is not it's purpose, it does not have this ability.
Real problems are solved by people.
Voting for U.S. president is a strategic choice we're allowed every four years, choose the option that makes your life and/or job easier. If you're really concerned about genocide, choose the option for president that will make your job of anti-war activist easier and safer.
Understand that many of your anti-war allies are LGBTQ, and that if Trump wins, he is almost certainly going to make it much harder for your allies to survive, let alone be activists. Why would you throw your allies under the bus to make an ideological point like 16 people on Lemmy will see?
So he's gonna duplicate what's going on right now?
Are you familiar with republican foreign policy?
So the difference is that Trump will drop a MOAB and kill hundreds..
And Biden will send 300,000 massive bombs to a genocidal warlord to kill tens of thousands?
I'm not trying to defend Trump, but I'm confused by your logic.
If that's what you think, it's readily apparent that you don't actually care about Palestinians, you just want to use them to score political points.
If you actually want to help then and prevent as many of their deaths as possible, your choice is clear. If you had the option to pull two levers, where one would keep the status quo and one would save just one Palestinian life, which would you pull?
But Biden is as bad as Trump according to some here. Yeah, ok.
Of course Trump is worse.
Now let's not pretend that the Democratic Party has any love at all for these protestors. Let's not pretend that the prevailing sentiment in this community isn't that these protestors should shut up and stop criticizing US support for Netanyahu's genocide because they're worried it makes Biden look bad.
And let's not pretend that the US isn't a two-party system.
Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good. Your choices are Trump or Biden.
Biden thinks the protestors have a First Amendment right to speak out. Repubs want them attacked by the National Guard and/or deported to a war zone.
Let’s pretend about that world…
As trump gasses these folks…
But it’s someone else gassing people… it’s not the same republicans that did it back in the day with the patriots act. No that was different…
So what are you going to do about it?
The prevailing attitude on Lemmy seems to be that Israel should be wiped from the face of the earth. Comments that don't support the protesters are quite rare.
let's ask the Gazans if they want Trump or Biden to win in November
If they want any chance in hell, they pick Biden.
Trump rolls out the red carpet for Netanyahu and tries to secure the rights to build a hotel and golf resort on the beach in Gaza.
Based on this article, I think they'd want Biden.
There is a very clear choice now, that many of us have been trying to explain. Trump would be infinitely worse for Palestinians, and he proves it to you here. If you actually care about the Palestinians, it's clear which of the two you should vote for.
If you only care about scoring political points however and using the Palestinians as pawns to that end, I could see why your voting decision would be more challenging.
Biden
Bidens better in some ways and continuing or advocating for Trumps policies in others.
So makes sense why some would say that
Okay. How is trump better for human rights? Or... anything.
Take your time.