STOP PROTESTING, YOU ARE ONLY ALLOWED TO VOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOTTTEEE BBBBBBLLLLLLLLLLLLUUUUUUUUUUUEEEE

blaming nixon on the war protesters instead of the party maintaining a deeply unpopular pro-war stance

Dems coming full circle and supporting the Vietnam war

I don't understand why libs disavow previous wars. If I was a lib, I would still be pretending that Iraq and Afghanistan were justified, that Saddam actually did have WMDs, that those soldiers really did throw babies out of incubators, etc. It's better, from their perspective, than giving the left even an inch.
- Most of them are too cowardly to maintain the line in the face of (albiet belated) scorn from their peer group. Those that aren't get cushy media jobs.
- What I see from the lanyard types is a position that the Iraq War wasn’t bad in the abstract but bad because Dubya didn’t follow proper protocol in authorizing the war. Pusillanimous triangulation as usual.
- If I was a lib, I would still be pretending...
  Libs would never admit it to the point of hiding it even from their significant other but they have an emotion that can be stronger than hate when it comes to chuds. They envy them.
  Chuds get to be openly as racist, hateful, raving, and ranting as they want.
What do you mean full circle? It was never even a half circle. It’s more like a top right corner portion of a circle, really.
- That's why the protest at the Democratic National Convention in 1968 happened. Not aimed at you, just adding to the conversation
The most contentious issues of the convention were the continuing American military involvement in the Vietnam War and voting reform, particularly expanding the right to vote for draft-age soldiers (age 18) who were unable to vote as the voting age was 21
[...]
The entire event took place live under television lights for seventeen minutes with the crowd chanting, "The whole world is watching".[56] Samuel Brown, one of the organizers for Senator McCarthy, lamented the violence, saying: "Instead of nice young people ringing doorbells, the public saw the image of mobs shouting obscenities and disrupting the city".[18] Brown stated the demonstrations at Chicago had been a disaster for the anti-war movement, as the American people saw the protesters as the trouble-makers and the heavy-handed police response as justified.[18] The general feeling at the time was the hippies were intent upon destroying everything good in America and the Chicago police had acted correctly in beating such dangerous anti-social types bloody.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1968_Democratic_National_Convention
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"If y'all don't like the ruling class oppressing you so much, then just let them oppressing you!"

Wow, brilliant take. Sounds like they should have kept protesting after Vietnam. Sounds like maybe we stopped too soon.

great takes in that thread:

This actually isn’t right. The main thing that pushed the country to the right and led to Nixon was the race riots of the 60s. Read Omar wasows research.

oh really, the race riots, eh? why were there race riots?

The fact that white people hated the civil rights movement so much they actually rioted (often harnessing that anger on school busing programs) has been completely memory holed and we all just sorta pretend like it never happened. Even as someone who likes to read history, I don’t really know all that much about it. But I assume it never gets brought up in history class or society at large because it spoils the narrative of “MLK Jr gave a speech, we passed a law, and now we have total equality and racism had been defeated”.
- A lot of people come to the realization that society fought MLK, watched him die and then said "oh! oh! I agreed with him the whole time"
  But it's worse. What they really said was "He agreed with me the whole time"
- Yup. After MLK ended racism, everyone forgets about how the white people who formed lunch mobs and bombed people are still walking around, probably shopping for tomatoes next to you.
Race riots?
More like, racist riots.

White person y'alling POC protesters on why what they get from the ruling class is what they deserve

MLK should have just voted blue
Yall is the only non gendered second person plural pronoun. Much better than saying "you guys".
- More yinz erasure...
- In my part of Ireland we say "ye" for a plural you, like "how are ye doing?" Some people in Dublin say "yous" or "yis"
- Much better than saying "you guys".
  "You guys" is non gendered for all the people in regions who use it but I understand why people who don't use it feel gendered by it when it's said to them.
  But the point of my comment was this feels more like cracker using AAVE to talk down.
- "you guys".
  I think you mean youse guys?
- 'You' second person plural and 'thou' is second person singular. Retvrn
I am not American. Why are Americans constantly using “y’all” now?
- It's been a normal word in the south forever. Outside of the south it's been pretty normal among black people. Black vernacular English has gained more prominence over the past few decades I think.
- because it's gender neutral. similar thing with folks(/folx, ugh) In some cases it's also used to be condescending/ironic, plus
  s just love appropriating turns of phrase from black people
- You is both singular and plural, back in old english there used to be "thou" but they decided they didn't need it... now they decided they needed it again idk
- y'all is a perfectly cromulent word
- It's a legitimately useful linguistic feature for a language to have a plural form of "you" so I fully support y'all becoming mainstream

Carter literally fumbled the youth vote with deeply unpopular policies that could have easily avoided, instead he got btfo by a senile actor who killed a student in protests against bombing children

Libs wanna talk about history but don’t wanna talk about how it fits together smh
Carter sucks but I’ll give him props for returning the Canal to Panama. Apparently doing that really hit his popularity hard, though of course there were a lot of other things. The American people get the blame for that one,
- Reminds me of whenever the government does anything remotely good for the people, stocks tank dramatically
Not to mention what he did in Indonesia.
First as tragedy, twice as farce...

Here's a good essay that responds to this particular brand of ghoulery.

So here is my question for Joe Biden, the one man who has been anointed to save America from the terrifying notion of another Trump administration: Why have you decided to force American voters who do not want a fascist president to step over the bodies of thousands of dead civilians in order to vote for you? Why? What are you thinking? The Biden administration itself is subjecting all of us to this blood-soaked political kabuki, in which we are all supposed to grin tightly and talk about the CHIPS Act and investment in green energy and studiously ignore the thousands of dead children strewn all around us. It is as if the night before a big game, the New York Yankees went out and shot up an elementary school, and then turned to their fans and shrugged, “What are you gonna do—cheer for the Red Sox?”

Easy. Liberals think those people deserved it

"We need to give republicans everything they want, or else they'll have the pleasure of just taking it!"

How's tailism working out for Biden, btw? He LET abortion bans and trans criminalization happen across the country because "muh bipartisanship" but normies STILL think he's too far left.

Just weapons grade libbin. Not to mention : Y'all. Anyways I tried to look at what else this genius person said. Here's another masterpiece.

I love that this person is handwringing at people protesting while all the liberal cadre wouldn't bat an eye at operation phoenix.

Not to mention : Y'all.
She’s from Texas, that’s the least of what’s wrong with her lol
lol china is communist when they do bad thing, capitalist when they do good thing, and state capitalist red fash when they simply breathe
- Its just convenient to shit on and trot out old red scare. They can just yap about whatever place they think is so downtrodden and authoritarian. But any real criticism of empire or imperialist ambition is never taken seriously. Cause communism bad muh think tank says so, hence no criticisms pls.
It makes sense why pits were a thing
HoPe ThIs HeLpS
What's wrong with "y'all" eh
I'm looking for a president that wants to collaborate with China.

If doing the right thing (fighting for the liberation of Palestine) makes you unpopular with American voters, then America deserves whatever hell is wrought upon it in the aftermath.

"We must save democracy!"
Binch, if the only available choice is what icing you get on the genocide cake, you have no democracy worth saving. Fuck your democracy and fuck you for asking people of conscience to humor your bullshit.

The political theory of "doing nothing is the best way to move policy to your side"

It’s an objectively true statement but not for the reasons she thinks. American imperialists of the Cold War era de-radicalized anti-war advocates, union members, and other progressives by ending the draft and offering a still-viable path to the so-called middle class.

And those roads to a middle class existence are damn near nonexistent now, so yeah let’s talk about some history.

These libs are such fucking losers I stg. Absolutely no awareness of history or anything outside of their small bubble

no protest

only

I've made jokes about galaxy brain takes in the past but I am literally unable to approach this. It's so far beyond a galaxy take. Beyond a universe take. Beyond the history of western philosophy and analysis. It's transcendental. We can't even see the logic because it is SO BEYOND THOUGHT

Because this is not a "take", its not an argument or an intellectual position, its a mirror of some very old basic human psychology which is triballism. In their mind they support the good guys, therefore anyone opposing the good guys are automatically wrong and as a consequence shall be punished. History is often used to support this creating a circular argument.
- You see this in nearly every community. "We are the smart ones, we are the best, and everyone else is wrong because they are not us."
  It's the worst part of humanity imo

LBJ said "We’ve lost the south for a generation" when he signed the Civil Rights act in June 1964. It was proposed by Kennedy, and LBJ pushed it through congress after the assassination. His election was a few months later. Compare the electoral maps:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1964_United_States_presidential_election

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1956_United_States_presidential_election

The US entered the Vietnam war around that time period too but do you think of the Jim Crow south as being extremely anti-war?

She's why KKKracker changed its spelling over the years.

Even if that were the case, I unironically would rather die, get everyone else killed, and plunge the world into a century of deepest reaction than pander to

gormless fucks I have nothing but contempt for

fr these "takes" have me wanting to unleash Mr. "
"
- “Say the death thing”
- I have no idea what that is, but it looks like how I feel.

Nixon to... Reagan!

If Biden and US-backed Israel's genocide is like the Vietnam War and continues for more than four years - everybody in Gaza is already dead.

A couple days ago if somebody had mentioned "Nixon to Reagan" as a joke - I would have thought it was an excellent bit. But I guess it's the developing lib line and I am aghast. Yesterday night when I was watching MSNBC - I thought to myself "Are you fucking kidding?" when a panel with serious tones in their voices mentioned it too.

I didn't watch cable news do they literally get their ideas from the talking heads
- I can't believe it. I actually found the damn Chomsky quote. Also - concision is a stupendous word.
  Talking With Chomsky
  2012/04/30
  There was once an interview with Jeff Greenfield in which he was asked why I was never asked onto Nightline. He gave a good answer. He said the main reason was that I lacked concision. I had never heard that word before. You have to have concision. You have to say something brief between two commercials.
  What can you say that's brief between two commercials? I can say Iran is a terrible state. I don't need any evidence. I can say Ghaddaffi carries out terror. Suppose I try to say the US carries out terror, in fact it's one of the leading terrorist states in the world. You can't say that between commercials. People rightly want to know what do you mean. They've never heard that before. Then you have to explain. You have to give background. That's exactly what's cut out. Concision is a technique of propaganda. It ensures you cannot do anything except repeat clichés, the standard doctrine, or sound like a lunatic.
- I'm not being facile if I say that it's manufacturing consent all the way down. It doesn't matter if Anderson Cooper reads off a teleprompter or he ad libs. The content is the same. It's only the phrasing that's different.
  --
  Ninja edit:
  Oh, fuck! I'm having temporary computer memory problems and I can't find a quotation from Chomsky that I like. I may reply again later. "Oh, fuck!"? I really said that? It's just a basically-nothing first-world problem. How very quickly I complain.
  Wait a minute. Is that mic on. Um... This is a bit. Of course.

This is Jimmy erasure.

"until 1990's" are you sure? it really looks like republicans are still dominating politics. we have a president that makes reagan look like a leftist and he is lib president.

I don't know this person and hadn't seen the title, so I had assumed she was looking at the facts and reaching the conclusion that democrats supporting foreign invasions was what led to Reagan and the overton window moving further right.

I'll not tell anyone that supporting the illegal entity occupying Palestine and its genocide will cost the corpse of Biden the election, that it'll lose them the next generation, or some such. At this stage of their development, bourgeois dictatorships have successfully changed what the truth is, mass media has greater influence on the people than reality. Therefore the usian youth having the inkling of an idea what's going on is cause for celebration.

Also, understanding the ideology of these morons better than themselves is quite boring. Anyone here can rattle off 7 reasons why this tweet is in contradiction with their stated beliefs but not their true ideology, yet they can't so much as imagine it.

damn it's almost like capital conspired to set back progress in reaction to the protests.

We knew we couldn’t make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders, raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news.

Black twitter ain't have no peaceful protest!

Apologies, later in the thread it has been revealed that she is southern and thus can plausibly use y'all as the second person plural.

So fucking unserious and ridiculous what the hell