Discord Shuts Down Servers for Switch Emulators Suyu & Sudachi; Disables Lead Developers Account As Well
Discord is nuking Nintendo Switch emulator devs and their entire servers
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What I hate most about this is how they now moved to Rocket Chat.
Come on people. Use a forum. Get the message, finally. Do it!
I'm pretty sure most of people who mainly use discord as their main social apps probably never touched forum-based internet.
Hosting your own forum is also better as you (the owner of the site) can still retrieve the msgs as long as you still have the access to the host server (so you can back them up in case shutting down, then going to resurfacing later).
Not to mention using discord is already risking yourself because of their shitty policy.
And it’s a million times better for people trying to troubleshoot.
1 forum post can solve many problems, rather than having to have each person ask in a support chat that’s not searchable.
It's so goddamn easy to set up a basic forum site for a few bucks a month, and it's not like there aren't hundreds of options for file sharing as well.
The Xbox and PSP modding forums were where I used to hang out before Reddit, a well-designed and run forum is so much better than trying to basically make a website out of a chat room.
I think most of those old forums are gone now.
Still not the point of a live-chat application. The use case is not the same as a forum. You want an archive where everything is well-organized and most questions have already been answered. Discord and other live chat services are more like live tech support, to fill the gap between the raw technical documentation found in GitHub, and the just getting started guide or FAQ, which are usually lightweight enough that they could be posted anywhere. Discord doesn't exist to be an archive that holds all the knowledge, discord exists so that when you open an app, you can go in, ask a couple questions, and hopefully someone will get to you in a couple minutes, at most, rather than in a couple days.
I hope Nintendo is able to make emulation illegal once and for all and end all this. People really shouldn't be allowed to run whatever software they want, they should only be allowed to run Microsoft Windows and the fun games they include on the bonus disc
Man fuck Nintendo at this point. WE ARE ALLOWED TO EMULATE, GET FUCKED
I dead ass downloaded and set up yuza the second I heard it was shutting down
I had the guide open on my laptop for so long but ADHD'd and never got it done lol
I'll reinforce my comment from months ago: I have the latest version of Yuzu, the keys, the firmware, the Linux and Windows versions, and links to ROM sites, and I'll distribute them forever to whoever asks in my DMs. I packaged them in a simple .zip with easy to follow instructions.
That said, why simply not use Ryujinx? Even on the Steam Deck performance is very good nowadays. Super Mario Wonder plays at 60 FPS on the Deck (though you need to enable a very simple mod that disables some weird function the game runs, otherwise it drops to 30 FPS all the time). In fact, for AMD GPUs, you're doing yourself a huge favor by going Ryujinx over Yuzu and derivatives.
Ryujinx is solid, accurate and well known, it's a trusted emulator. The Yuzu forks are unknown, managed by non experienced people (one was quite literally created by a teenager with zero coding knowledge) and extremely ephemeral.
Ryujinx runs very poorly on older cpus like ryzen 3200G, I played ToTK fine on Yuzu, but on ryujinx the game becomes a slideshow, I also can't get 60fps on Princess Peach with it.
Yeah Ryujinx is in C# Unity so it has its limits. They wrote Yuzu mostly in C++ so while it tended to be buggy it performed way better.
Hey, Kadu! It’s so good to see you again! I have been using the yuzu zip you sent me, and have been playing the hell out of some of my games. I just wanted to say thank you so freaking much, from the bottom of my heart! 🙏
Thanks for the very kind comment. Happy to hear you're enjoying Yuzu :)
Ryujinx is for perfect emulation, as in it aims to completely replicate how the Nintendo Switch works. While Yuzu is an emulator that aims for better performance than the Switch while playing Switch games.
I'm still pretty solid with my Yuzu install so I've no need to move to Ryujinx for now, but assuming they avoid Ninty's legal team I'll likely pick up Ryujinx when I need a fresh steamOS install and/or Ryujinx surpasses Yuzu's compatibility in a game I wanna play
Ryujinx don't works on android. So also not on the Odin 2 Pro as an example. that's why (for me).
Thank you for your good work.
Why 👏 is 👏 every 👏 word 👏 padded 👏 by 👏 emoticons 👏 ?
Never your granny clapped between words while shouting some order or rule?
Discord is the antithesis to free web. Stop using it. I won't join any community using discord.
Oh yeah, and fuck Nintendo
I started using Discord because Skype was pissing me off. Now, Discord starts to piss me off with their bullshit. I'm just too tired to move to yet another platform that will start sucking once it's grown bigger. I hate this "social media" focus on every little fucking thing. This stupid "we are building a community" garbage should die.
Maybe it's time for me to burn everything down and go live in the woods. I don't particularly resonate with people anyway.
You've touched on the cycle of enshittification. Step 1, everything is free and wonderful. Step 2: milk those customers for money.
The solution is to favor and support services which take capitalism out of the equation. It might cost a little bit, but I think a few small donations can go a long way.
Yea, I immediately stopped using it after the CEO's horrifying speech at the "Protecting Children Online" hearing.
Could you (or someone) elaborate on that first point there?
It's a closed system owned by a single company. If you provide data or information there, the company owns the data, other people can't find the data using search engines and they would need an account to access the data. Imagine the internet is owned by a single company and they could sell, change, censor, delete restrict access to or use the information in means you cannot predict.
It's a closed ecosystem. What else is there to say?Compare Contrast with IRC, Matrix or XMPP.
Good discord is trash.
Even beyond the point of "using discord". Nintendo is reaching harassment levels of assholism. Are they doing even worse that with Gaty Bowser?
They should just spin up their own Lemmy instance
Yeah, and a Matrix instance
They don't really need a chat though, do they? For their purpose of user-interfacing development and tracking, a forum would be much more useful when coupled with a code hosting system, no?
Can do bug reporting/tracking and development through the latter, while the former allows discoverable FAQ, dev-to-user and user-to-user support. With chat, the last point is just about impossible plus it's not discoverable.
let me just spin up a subreddit instead and ... WHY DOES THIS KEEP HAPPENING?
That's the extra funny part, their subreddit is rock solid since they had it a fair while ago.
Why is this much of this a problem for them—discord shouldn't be an essential piece of the puzzle for an emulator project
Potentially completing someone's lemmy bingo card here, but it's relatively easy to self-host any tools you need
You all should have stayed on IRC
You all should have stayed on IRC
You're not wrong, but also, it's way too complicated for the regular person to use. A better UX is needed.
People downvoting you don't seem to remember the whole "messages aren't delivered while you're not online" thing
TIL that typing in a username, server address and hitting 'Connect' is a bad UX.
I used to on irc when i was 10 fucking years old. You type.in the serve and then type #before the room you want to use.
Did they put lead back in gasoline when i wasn't looking or something?
Discord is a shit, always was shit. Shitty platform, shitty (electron) apps.
Matrix is a better Discord.
Privacy-wise sure, but feature-wise it has some work to do.
I liked Revolt.
Revolt is still a thing, though apparently they're trying to rebuild voice chat
I don’t want to get victim blamey, but…
If they REALLY want it to be like discord, why not use Revolt?
I don't understand.
One that really ticked me off was that "the legend of zelda ocarina of time" pc build "ship of harkinian".
I have never had such a tough time installing something. You have to do everything through their discord and it was a complete fucking mess.
Just use matrix. Revolt is just giving your data to someone else for no reason. Like you could technically self host it but it's not federated like matrix
I mean using matrix or any chat service is giving your data to someone else. What's the distrust with revolt?
Looking at their git repos it seems pretty above board: multiple open source clients by community members, APGL license, docker images and backend repo all pretty accessible in one place.
No hate on Matrix of course, but theres a few people who seem to have the ick for Revolt and I wonder if Ive missed something.
Been using Matrix (Element) for a while and it’s honestly fine apart from the fact that almost no one uses it (Lemmy devs are a rare exception).
While it has many features of Discord while still being easier than IRC and encrypted to boot, I’m assuming the reason most people won’t use it is because Discord is simply more convenient. After all, that is and has been their main selling point from the beginning, aside from voice chat for gaming, which isn’t really necessary for dev communities.
I don't know why, but I can't sign up for revolt. They never sent me the verification. Now they just know 2 of my email addresses making me double fucked if a data leak ever happens.
It doesn’t work if you use iCloud or a custom domain with iCloud.
I ended up using Protonmail.
Get a custom domain with a catchall set up
Pretty fucking authoritarian for a company that uses the OPA’s split circle as its logo
Wait. The OPA from expanse? There is some resemblance, but I'd say it more looks like a gamepad/emoji hybrid.
"We will repeat in every sentence that we are not a for-profit emulator, we'll be fine!"
Yeah.
googled Sudachi, and its GPL 3 but:
yeah that's gonna go real swell for them
I'm not surprised. It's not right for Discord to disable the servers and accounts, but at the same time, if you are hosting a community it shouldn't be on discord since you aren't in control of it
Wish they gave as much of a shit about shutting down pedophilia and OnlyFans leak servers as they do licking Nintendo's boots.
Discord is an inherently unsafe platform.
I thought that would happen the moment I saw suyu uses only a discord server. Shame they didn't use matrix or even IRC
They still should, it would be a great way to highlight how futile Nintendo's efforts are. Unfortunately, there's a good chance they'll just forget about doing live communication like this anymore.
This reminds me that I need to uninstall discord. Thanks!
Emulation is a matter of media preservation. Give us backwards compatibility or go fuck yourselves.
Side note, is there there a good open source alternative to Discord in terms of it's exact functionality? (And I don't mean as a forum alternative, but voice comms and streaming). After their app update, I'm kind of annoyed with them. Yet, my community is rather dependent on them despite their enshittification.
We got sucked in because you could simply link it to randos on MMOs and if they didn't want to download an app, could still have voice comms in browser. Before that, we had ventrillo, mumble, etc, but nothing was quite as easy access for randos. But man, they kind of suck lately so... hrm. :/
Rocket.Chat and Matrix come to mind. The latter's element client (the default) even looks extremely Discord-ish.
There's Revolt.chat
Suyu is a troll project anyway so
Makes sense /s
I often revere the people who can do smart shit.
I really shouldn’t. Using discord is dumb. Using discord for a switch emulator, while Nintendos lawyers are waking around with their cocks out is stupid.
I've said this recently, but intelligence is domain specific. People just being generally "smart" is not a thing people should really care about.
Yep, I've known specialists that are extremely good at their job but when you hear them talk about other stuff you sometimes wonder how they manage to tie their shoes in the morning.
It's not a matter of intelligence, these people just have different priorities.
Have you considered that the person you consider smart is focusing all their brain power on their projects and they don't have time to set up and maintain a website? That's what discord is for, an easy, quick and dirty community aggregate
While there's truth in your words, there are alternatives that require little effort. Even a IRC channel would have been better.
Discord is not only a terrible bad application, it's the equivalent of writing posts on medium. If and when they decide to gatekeep your content, there's nothing you can do.
That’s not what discord is for if you are doing anything where a big corporation wants to muscle you around.
The lack of intelligence is thinking you can build a grey zone project in discord. It's like saying you want to build a house but don't want to pour a foundation. Like, good for you, focus on windows and paint, but you're not gonna get anywhere.
Easy quick and dirty are not acceptable when you are trying to build emulation software based on the products of a very litigious international corporation
and thats also the reason why this project is now gone...
also you are pretty much "paying" with all you information and since they started heavily monetizing Discord you will pay even more as they soon will start to sell you conveniences or essential features. Also Tencent you know, which is pretty much like Nestlé, so it should be avoided.
Not for a minute, no.
Creating a channel on freenode takes seconds
Huh, I thought it was just a chat room to get to know people.
Is it wrong to seek for online friends in discord?
I think you just need to know what you are getting into.
It’s a private company, it’s closed to sourced, they capture and monetise your data.
For people who value transparency and privacy, there are better options. This emulator project, should have known better than to use is.
aaalll of that being said, it’s very popular and if you are not concerned by any of the points raised in this who threads, it’s a good place to meet people to chat about Warcraft or whatever your thing is.
Just be aware that any thing your write, effectively belongs to them forever.