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‘You just can’t control yourself’: Judge threatens to kick Trump out of courtroom

www.politico.com ‘You just can’t control yourself’: Judge threatens to kick Trump out of courtroom

Lawyers for E. Jean Carroll accused Trump of muttering "it is a witch hunt" within earshot of the jury.

A federal judge threatened to kick Donald Trump out of court Wednesday after the former president made repeated comments within earshot of the jury hearing a civil defamation trial against him.

Trump muttered that the case is a “witch hunt,” among other similar comments, according to a lawyer for the writer E. Jean Carroll, who is suing Trump over derogatory comments he made about her while he was president.

The episode prompted a stern rebuke from U.S. District Judge Lewis Kaplan, who repeatedly tussled with Trump and his lawyers during a testy courtroom session Wednesday morning.

“Mr. Trump has the right to be present here. That right can be forfeited, and it can be forfeited if he is disruptive, which is what has been reported to me,” the judge said.

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He just seems like the kind of guy who’s never been punched in the face but really needs to be.
- I’d prefer shot with a bologna loaf out of a canon but yea agreed
  
  I tried loading lunch meat into my canon but it developed a film.
  
  I'd settle for "face any meaningful consequence for his actions."
  
  I like "shot with a ball of his own shit".
- Puscifer - The Remedy
  
  You speak like someone who has never been / Smacked in the fucking mouth / That's okay, we have the remedy
- I volunteer as tribute!
  
  (Obviously, this is a joke-response. I'm not actually volunteering or advocating violence.)
so presidential when you cant control your own behavior.

conservatives really picking the best people.
- They want the worst people. They love it. It makes them feel better about being such shitty people themselves.
  
  For years they told us that Government would mess everything up.
  
  And by god they're going to prove it!
So it’s cool if we fuck around in court? Contempt isn’t a thing anymore?
- Federal judges (should) have a lot more decorum and patience. Actually all judges should have, but the US also popularized the mini dictators that dole out ridiculous punishments for "misbehaving".
  
  People in court are not there because they bought tickets to the venue for their own enjoyment.
  
  While I agree Trump should also have some decorum, he is effectively rich trailer trash. The judge treats him as such and in my book that makes the judge an icon.
  
  The judge is above his petty nonsense but does take the time to make trump feel he is not in charge every time he steps out. And I think this is far worse for Trump's feelings than being stuck in a holding cell, that would just fuel his martyr syndrome.
  
  Yeah, but when he is influencing the jury with his comments, that is different
- He's rich and white so business as usual.
- For rich people? No.
- He's above the law. He knows it.
- It's just an up charge like getting soup with your meal for the rich.
  
  Yeah, somewhat wealthy former president, he's probably thinking, "Why would I need to control myself?"
You want Trump to lose in court ASAP

I want Trump to lose against diabetes ASAP

We are not the same
- I know it's a longshot, but I'm really hoping for rabies.
  
  It's probably syphilis though.
  
  I hope for nothing contagious: his sycophants would deliberately infect themselves to be more like him and end up causing a rabies pandemic
  
  I'd be pretty satisfied with him being accidentally fired into space
- You want Trump to lose against diabetes ASAP
  
  I want Trump to lose, on the toilet, against a perforated colon and prolapsed rectum ASAP
  
  We are, well, kinda the same, so hi-five friendo
  
  Those hamberders'll catch up with him one of these days
- Porque no los dos?
While "former president" is a correct title, the media should really use "petulant man-child" instead. Far more accurate .
- Traitor Trump fits too.
  
  Fuckface 45
- Petulant man-child also applies to Phony Stark.
That's why he keeps doing it. They just threaten, no real consequences.
- Isn't a lack of self control central to this case?
- It's more that the judges will play by the rules so super hard that Trump can never appeal on the basis of unfair treatment. The consequence is really that the trials continue on as if he had never spoken, proving that his crying and hand waving have no real effect.
- Yep. What motivation does he have for exercising control? Will they give him a fine that's like pocket lint to him again?
- It's win/win for him. Either he shows how he can't be controlled which riles up his supporters, or he can turn consequences around as evidence of the "corrupt Biden deep state" or something and get massive fundraising income and maybe convince some of his followers to launch terrorist attacks. This judge is having to weigh possible domestic terror retaliation against keeping his courtroom orderly.
This lawless former president is a disgusting degenerate just like his cult followers.
- Don't forget twice-impeached accused rapist
  
  He was found liable of rape in the civil suit with E Jean Carrol. So confirmed rapist!
Not being able to control oneself is a trait I require in a president.
- He's obviously child trapped in an ugly and obese man's body. He thinks he's above everyone else because he has more money thanks to his daddy.
  
  He's just a little brat.
  
  He's pouting. He is losing and can't accept it. It's pathetic.
  
  Lead exposure plus a traumatic childhood and inbuilt narcissism made him the man he is today.
  
  Stop insulting children.
- That is why we only let them have the nuclear football. It is the only way M.A.D. works, when the enemy has no idea if you are going to hit the button.
  
  Trump's nuclear football only contains the Staples' "that was easy" button
  
  Not true. If they're unsure when or why you might do something, they may act first to get a first strike advantage. If you can't be reasoned with, why would they try being reasonable?
Don't just kick him out; give him a time-out in a holding cell!
- time-of-his-life cell, when?
Aaaand that's why two of his lawyers withdrew only shortly before the trial one even just the day before. They realised how unhinged he is and that there was no way to stop him, so they left the sinking ship.
Please I hope he forfeits his right to be there lol
- He wants to be kicked out. His antics are meant to force it.
  
  This way he can go keep that martyred persecution complex working for him. Evangelicals love them a martyr,
  
  That's why it's important for them to put him in a holding cell instead of letting him pontificate to the media on the courthouse steps.
"I do not recognize the authority of a court that hangs the gilded flag. A flag with gilded edges signifies an admiralty court, an admiralty court signifies that this is a court martial. I can not be court martialed twice. Further more..."

"Bailiff, gag that man."
- The fact that Dale Gribble, would be the most intelligent and sane person on the new right wing conspiracy populations is as hilarious as it is terrifying.
Honestly I don't think Trump should be kicked out of court. I say let him ruin his case and insult the judge until he's found guilty for contempt of court as well.
- He's already well past what would be considered contempt of court for literally any other living human being. They're giving him as much rope as is possible for two reasons, one being so that absolutely no one can argue a mistrial, and the second being that he continues to attempt to hang himself with every length of rope let out to him. May as well let him continue.
  
  so that absolutely no one can argue a mistrial
  
  This is the part that people keep missing. Judges go into "Super Professional Mode" when these things happen and run their court so by the book that it's impossible for anyone to complain bias/unfair treatment.
Mr. Trump has the right to be present here. That right can be forfeited, and it can be forfeited if he is disruptive...

Doesn't that make it a privilege?
- Exactly. A right shouldn't be able to be revoked, otherwise by definition it's not a right.
  
  You're confusing the word revoked with the word forfeited. He's forfeiting it by disrupting the court. It's like the right to remain silent when you're arrested. The officer arresting you can't revoke it and make you answer or say anything, but you can choose to forfeit it and start talking.
  
  Then you have no rights. All freedoms granted you can be taken away for committing the right crime.
  
  Does imprisonment invalidate the right to freedom?
  
  I mean, Fuck Trump, but yeah...
'You just can't control yourself'

The judge apparently doesn't understand the difference between "can't" and "don't want to".
Biden needs to punch this guy out

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