2y ago

Twitch allowing more nudity after disproportionately banning female streamers | Twitch confirmed its policy banning nudity was sexist.

Twitch allowing more nudity after disproportionately banning female streamers

Twitch allowing more nudity after disproportionately banning female streamers | Twitch confirmed its policy banning nudity was sexist.::Twitch confirmed its policy banning nudity was sexist.

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BrikoX @lemmy.zip

2y ago

Twitch quickly reverses policy that “went too far” allowing nudity

arstechnica.com /tech-policy/2023/12/twitch-finally-updates-overly-punitive-confusing-sexual-content-policy/

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2y ago

Twitch allowing more nudity after disproportionately banning female streamers

arstechnica.com /tech-policy/2023/12/twitch-finally-updates-overly-punitive-confusing-sexual-content-policy/

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Sexism is an issue with gaming for sure but banning nudity is not sexism.
- It is if women's nipples are nudity but men's nipples are not.
  
  Why not have a "no nipples" policy in general? I'm guessing that if parents think that their 7 year olds are going on Twitch to see boobs, they could lose some viewers.
  But yes, policies should be applied equally.
  
  I agree with you but this is more of a societal issue and not necessarily a Twitch issue. I think Twitch following the standards set by society was reasonable however them pushing to improve upon those is absolutely welcome.
  
  Bad take in my opinion. It's quite clear the difference between the two in our society.
  
  Show of hands, how many here have jerked it to male nipples?
  
  No, that's literally how the laws in most countries work. It turns out men and women have different biology.
  
  There are literal sex differences between men and women. If we include those in the definition of sexism, we cheapen the word.
- I would rather not see any nudity on my gaming streams...
I'm all for allowing nudity in general, but it would be nice if you could actually block it or at least remove it from your recommendations.
One time I accidently clicked on one of these bathtub streamers and since then there always is one in my recommendation, with no way to remove it. I literally had to install a browser extention "Unwanted Twitch" to finally get rid of it.
- My home page is literally bathtub streamers and horny VR chat streamers, I think it's because I watch VR chat meme streamers (lolathon, darrenzeus) and the algorithm just thinks that means I want horny shit. I'll have to look at that extension.
  
  That’s it. If other viewers of streamers you watch are watching those streams, it’ll push them to you
- Allowing you to block them would also be sexist of you. You need to be reeducated by showing you even more of them to correct your sexism.
  It's a circular game and in the end, nobody wins.
  
  Wat
How many male bimbo gamer streams are there?
- Not enough apparently
  
  I can do this. EQUALITY!!!
Twitch is stuck between a religious rock and a hard-as-wood place.
- Hard-as-rock?
  
  Boners
  
  They meant hard ass wood
- You're in luck! There are millions of people playing games on Twitch. Who knew?
  
  Definitely not RabbePompano.
- Well, you see, it turned out that people are far more willing to fork over money when they get to see boobs instead of noobs.
- goes on Twitch
  finds game
  watches someone play it
  At some point in there I completely ignored all the discount OnlyFans over on IRL and Just Chatting tags.
  That said: An opt-in with specific categories would halt a lot of the people complaining. Been awhile since I've dug into websites design, though thay shouldn't be too difficult to implement, especially as they already have tags.
  
  There's a lot of good content under the umbrella of. Just chatting. From scam baiters to glassblowers and musicians, all trying to do their best to attract viewers.
- It hasn't been strictly gaming for many years,
  What is interesting is if you don't click on or watch those streams Twitch doesn't recommend them to you.
  A lot of the complaining is often just an unaware self report which is kinda funny.
  
  No, they'll definitely still show on the front page if under Just Chatting, even if you log out, open a private window, or use a different computer altogether. It's basically random, as far as I can tell, or just showing popular streams (or both).
  
  See people said this about tiktok too and while for the most part it's true they'll still push it in your face every now and then.
  I've blocked or clicked "not interested" on every clearly sexualized video yet they keep showing up.
  They recommend what's popular. The biggest issue is there's enough simps with endless money watching these streamers/content creators that they're not going away anytime soon
- Your comment insinuates that you have trouble finding gamers on the platform, as if there's a finite limit on creator count and the gamers are getting pushed out by non-gaming creators, which is obviously not the case.
  Is it a matter of going to Twitch for games but then getting roped in by the porn instead? If so, that's pretty funny tbh.
  
  It’s mostly that the front page is increasingly being titty streamers, which really isn’t a problem, but isn’t super fun to land on every day.
  It’s also heavily pushed in recommendations if other viewers of a stream you’re watching are regular watchers (ex. I’m watching shroud, but a ton of shrouds viewers also watch titty streamers, so I must want to as well)
  Honestly it’s just more annoying than anything else. There’s no viewership loss implications for streamers, despite what some scream about.
- Cash money, son
I'm gonna get downvoted, but this culture where teenagers can form parasocial relationships with what are essentially softcore pornstars and a culture where women can very easily become pornstars isn't healthy.
- I believe some of them are on websites like OnlyFans, which can be real porn if they decide to do so. I imagine being on Twitch is a method to be discovered.
  I also agree with what you said. I also dislike how pornographic content is served right next to normal innocent content. It's like having porn channels on TV right next to the family channels.
  
  I can argue that everyone on Only fans is a pornstar, just that some are softcore pornstars. On the flip side some are prostitutes.
  Twitch IMO is fucked up in a different way. This is a platform that pre-pubescent children frequently use. Allowing for nudity essentially creates a pipeline where kids hit puberty, form parasocial relationships with pornstars, and get unhealthy ideas about women.
  Like in the past there used to be a lot more of a disconnect. Like if you went on pornhub, you were explicitly going to watch porn. The porn videos were well known to be completely over dramatized to the point where it can't be taken as a realistic depiction of sex. The porn stars were explicitly porn stars. You had no idea about their personality and there was no concept of getting an emotional connection to them. There also was a general acknowledgement, even among the most liberal circles, that sex work was incredibly unhealthy.
  Nowadays all of this shit is not only normalized to an insane degree, but the line between fiction and reality has been blurred to an insane degree.
  Every time this comes up someone says "Oh what's the harm? PRUDE". There are some things that are harmful in ways that are difficult to explain, and not at all immediately clear. I feel like our current sex culture is a good example of that.
I agree twitch is stuck but for me they shouldn't allow more nudity. Even if they put it in different categories. It s not a problem of puritanism , it s just that kid will have a direct access to literals strip stream , and your twitch account is directly linked with your amazon account and your cc. I have absolutely not problel with site like chaturbate , because you have to search for it , its completely clear on the content and even if of course there are kids who will browse it , well its more" difficult " to pay on it . Oh and btw on twitch the streamer is way closer to the chat than on any cam site the line between streamer and porn is too blur.
- Is it really that hard for twitch to create an option to mark a stream as mature only Allowing 16+ accounts? (Should be mature enough for erotic non porn)
  Kids who lie about their age know what there doing and require more parental oversight when signing up to a platform.
  
  That's already a thing, but 18+ like the law states. Streamers can mark their streams mature and it shows you a warning and disclaimer. Only twitch needs is kids accounts with the option for a parent to disable access to those streams.
  
  I don't understand, children cannot see nudity? Is it bad for them?
- "It's not a problem of puritanism, but (puritan argument)"
Interesting how we've gone from "expecting nudity from women is sexist" to "NOT expecting nudity from women is sexist".
- I don't think that's the message at all. It's disproportionately punishing women for nudity that is sexist.
  
  Unless the women are disproportionately engaging in nudity.
- How in gods green earth did you mangle that point out of this story
  
  Well, in my experience from using Twitch it’s predominantly female streamers who do these kind of streams, so if there’s a policy against it, it would make sense that it would affect mostly women. That’s not sexist in and of itself.
  But when you say that the policy is sexist because it affects mostly women, it implies that its unfair not to expect women to engage in nudity, doesn’t it.
- Telling women what they can, can't, must, or mustn't wear is the sexist part
A bunch of furries tried to abide by this policy and ended up getting banned lol
- Why?
So what happens when a minor streams themselves nude to thousands of viewers? Does everyone get charged?
- LOL what? It would be the same if a minor uploaded themselves to Pornhub. The video would just be taken down.
  
  Pornhub isn't a live stream.
  You think there were no incidents of live streamed cp on Omegle or ChatRoulette? Naive af
- well, now I really don't feel like I'm missing much on twitch.
- Are minors allowed to stream? I don't know if it's worth the legal hassle.
  
  Rules are 13 with parents written legal permission delivered to twitch’s legal team last i remember. I had a friend whose daughter wanted to stream when she was like 15 a few years ago, thankfully she was talked out of it
This is the best summary I could come up with:
In one prominent example, just two days before the policy change, Twitch banned OnlyFans model Morgpie for posting "topless" streams.
Hession confirmed that Twitch's policy prohibiting "content that ‘deliberately highlighted breasts, buttocks or pelvic region,’ even when fully clothed" was confusing.
"Streamers found it difficult to determine what was prohibited and what was allowed and often evaluating whether or not a stream violated this portion of the policy was subjective," Hession wrote.
The only exceptions will be made for streams labeled as including mature-rated games and profanity, which will still appear in the main feed on the homepage.
"In addition to providing clarity, these updates will also reduce the risk of inconsistent enforcement and bring our policy more in line with other social media services."
“With the updated terms of service, content on Twitch containing mature themes will be allowed but no longer pushed on the homepage of the site,” Morgpie told Dexerto.
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I think rule no. 2 should be more clarified.

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