What's one beauty standard that you don't agree with?

Reminder for those that comment that hate and rude comments are against the community's rules

- Yea. There is "having personal tastes" but a lot of these comments are just straight up judgmental of other people's choices of personal expression and using this post as an excuse to espouse some pretty harmful rhetoric.

I've always disliked plastic surgery, botox and heavy makeup. But that's normal enough

My real hot take is I am disgusted by long, fake nails. They make my skin crawl. They're so cumbersome, I truly don't understand how people love with them

I truly don’t understand how people love with them
Very carefully.
Yes to all of these.
Same on both of those!
You and me on both counts dude, fuuuuuu—
So disgusting. And it looks sooo fake, like they don't even make an effort to look real. They are thick as a bear claw bruh, looks like some fungus growing under them talons, Jesus. Get that nasty shit out of here.
Absolutely yes to the nails. Those are disguising and very impractical
welcome to the evening news, man creates thread so he can bitch about Black women. more at 5 when he phones back in to say how he's entitled to his opinion.
- Go outside and get a life. How can you be so miserable.
- wow holy racist batman
- Truly ironic people are trying to say you're the racist for calling someone else out for espousing racist rhetoric.

Overly full lips. There's a bandwidth there where it should fit the rest of the facial features. Filling them up with collagen just almost never looks good.

Rarely even a little bit looks good. You can just tell immediately.
Personally, I'd extend it to the entirety of the bimbo look. Why the fuck would anyone want to look like a cheap sex doll!? (ok well I can kinda' understand it as a fetish thing, but when ever parts of that look extend to "beauty" like huge lips... ugggh)

I don't get why people try to hide freckles. They're so unique!

Tabs over spaces, always

... wait, you're asking in asklemmy, not programming...

Uhhh... that thing where people glue little strands of hair to their forehead in an arc

Uhhh... that thing where people glue little strands of hair to their forehead in an arc
Do you mean styling baby hairs?
- Yes! Thats it!
Tabs were literally designed for indenting, as far as I can tell.
- Not really, surprisingly. The "tab" terminology is a hangover from the typewriter days, when pressing the tab key would move your carriage to the left (i.e. sending the typing position towards the right) to the point where the tab stop was, which may or may not have been user configurable depending on the age or fanciness level of your typewriter. On mechanical models this involved sliding a little arrowhead shaped mechanical dingus up at the top over the carriage, a skeuomorph that's still present in basically every computer word processing application even today.
  This was to allow operators to easily write tabular data, i.e. tables or columns, which would be inset from the left margin by a consistent amount, and typically much further inboard than the indent at the beginning of a paragraph would be. The latter was usually accomplished with a small number of spaces instead. And this is why the key is called "tab" and not "ind" or something.
  This got carried over to word processors and then to computers kind of by default. But interestingly (if you're the right kind of nerd to be interested by that sort of thing, anyway) early 8 bit microcomputers that were not envisaged with word processing or a typewriter-esque paradigm in mind conspicuously lacked a tab key. The Commodore 64 and Vic 20, TI-99, Acorn Electron, and certainly the ZX Spectrum all leap to mind.
  But the original IBM PC definitely had a tab key, which was almost certainly carried directly over from IBM's Selectric typewriters. So we've had it ever since. The notion of there being a "tab character" of some greater-than-space width lent it to being used for first line indents for a while, but the prominence of HTML and its dogged insistence on collapsing whitespace -- especially at the beginning of lines -- eventually put a stop to that and caused practically everybody to switch to double line breaks to separate paragraphs instead. Except for writing code, which can involve a whole bunch of indentation to many, many levels of depth.
  Indenting the starts of paragraphs was an even older hangover from printing presses, and that's another whole damn rabbit hole anyway.
I read an article / listened to a podcast where a visually impaired person said that tabs are much better because they can configure how wide they are rendered to better accommodate them and now In would prefer to use tabs. Still all customers i have seem to use only spaces.
I am more into spaces, but as long as the indentation is done consistently i can tolerate tabs.
- I mean, how could using tabs not be consistent when only comparing to spaces? Seems to me like spaces give infinitely more opportunity to fuck up indentation.

Ultra low body fat, e.g. high fashion models, bodybuilders. You don't see it that much in real life, but it's pretty heavily promoted in media. Plus the dehydration thing for bodybuilders, I hate that 'saran wrap' look.

This is the worst. So damaging to the overall health of everyone.
- Yeah, and especially mental health. Not many people are really going to go that far (it's a LOT of effort), but it's so unattainable that even fit people often don't feel good about themselves. Especially if you add all the makeup and doctored photos.
How dehydrated does a person have to be before they start absorbing water through the skin?
- I'm going to guess literally dead. Human skin isn't very permeable, by design.

Lip injections make me think of those wax lips they used to give out for Halloween

Thanks. I've been wondering what Marilyn Manson has been up to lately.

Not everyone is beautiful. Most people are average and many are not attractive.

Obesity is not beautiful. It is unhealthy and honestly delusional.

Edit: Most people are thinking of this when mentioning obesity.

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=real+obese+people+&t=h_&iar=images

Not this.

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=heavy+rugby+players&t=fpas&iar=images

Complaining about the BMI scale is a disservice to those who truly need to lose weight for their health.

Obesity is not beautiful. It is unhealthy
I'd even go so far as to say obesity is unattractive, because it's unhealthy.
Healthy is of course beautiful.
- People speculate that this is one of the reasons why those most opposed to weight loss medications like Ozempic are, in fact, fit people. In a world where most people around you are obese or unhealthy, being fit becomes a way to signal discipline, long-term planning, a healthy lifestyle, competence, and so on. But now that you can get lean without putting in the effort, it dilutes that signal.
Average is plenty beautiful, though. At least in countries where 'average' doesn't mean 'severely over- or underweight'.
Same with being underweight. It is also not healthy or beautiful.
The whole fat acceptance movement is honestly gross AF.
I don't care how happy you are about it. This shit is not healthy and we shouldn't be promoting it.
- Says fat people promote unhealthy lifestyles. Gif: An obese chick getting exercise while playing an instrument that takes considerable muscle control and a high lung capacity.
  Damn. Lot of people really hate fat folks. I'm just saying you want to prove fat people are unhealthy— a woman in a career that takes a high level of stamina and discipline isn't a great example.
- who is considered "obese" is often determined by the BMI which is a flawed scale to determine health and wellness, you can read about it here: https://www.yalemedicine.org/news/why-you-shouldnt-rely-on-bmi-alone
  Absolutely there is such thing as unhealthily fat and weight being a detriment to your health, but there are 100% people who are, by modern beauty standards, "fat" and still very active and healthy by all measured metrics. Body types are different and some people will be more stocky than others, and I think that's what the "fat acceptance" movement is really about
Hard agree. I am so willing to die on this hill.
Yes, but actually no. I'll not discuss taste because that's very personal, but while as a general rule obesity is unhealthy and most obese people should change their habits, the way we define obesity is with BMI, which is extremely inaccurate for very short or very tall people, not to mention bone and muscle density is different for different people, I have always (since at least 13 YO) have been in the obese category, even when I was training daily and could run a few kilometers at around 5 min per km I was obese, even though I looked only slightly overweight, the reason is because I have dense bones and at the time had lots of muscles (which are lots denser than fat). So while there's a strong correlation between being obese and being unhealthy one should be very careful not to mix the two and assume a 100% correlation or causation effect.
- I hate BMI. I am working on losing weight, but I am gaining muscle at the same rate I'm losing fat, so my weight has hardly changed. None of my clothes fit anymore and I am much slimmer, but still considered obese. I'm not even weighing myself regularly at this point. I'm just going by how I look and feel and my clothes size.
My brother is obese and also one of the fittest people I know. He can walk miles without breaking a sweat, no high blood pressure, no high cholesterol, heart is doing fine, no arthritis, etc. ad nauseum. He's fat because he eats a lot, but everything he eats is home cooked with plenty of veg and little meat. He just loves cooking.
My doc said the other day she prefers it when her patients are heavier, because when people get very sick, it's the "healthy" thin ones who die first in the ICU purely because they don't have any fat to spare.
- As to your second point, I have a personal hypothesis that cancer is the reason for the middle-aged gut. Hell, guess it could be disease in general. Anyway, with a few extra pounds you have more time to fight.

Mowed lawns. Just let it grow, it's easier and healthier.

This is literal and an innuendo.

My favorite people, and probably yours too are not 10/10 hotties. The people I want to spend time with are funny and kind.

Chasing 'beauty standards', I feel, is a waste of your human potential. That time can be better used building friendships and community. Isn't that what most people really want?

If people focused their time there instead, maybe they would feel more accepted, confident and worthy instead of trying to shortcut their way to perceived success by altering their bodies. I find it sad that the digital age has pushed humanity so deeply in to 'comparative society'.

Confidence is the hottest most attractive thing to me in the end.

It can go too far in the opposite direction, though. I was raised in an environment where men doing literally anything besides showering a bit was gay.
- Arguably, being muscular is a male beauty standard. I would very much prefer it if men had more freedom of expression, though.

What always disturbs me, and it seems worryingly prevalent on The Apprentice, is drawn-on eyebrows.

On the one hand, it does look weird up close, or if done poorly. On the other I can see the potential in being able to have whatever kind of eyebrows you want to go with your look.

Fish lips.

Thinned eyebrows, I love a good thick eyebrow.

Mmm, bushy.

Not a beauty standard per se, but I don’t like tattoos one bit.

It used to be “rebellious” to have a tattoo, but nowadays it seems like everyone has one - so maybe the truly rebellious thing now is not having them.

I don't think tattoos have been about rebellion in a long time. It's just art for your body.
- Depends on your background. If you're from a Jewish or Muslim family pearls will be clutched.
- It was always just art for your body.
  People who got tattoos wanted to be able to express themselves in the way they desired, by decorating their body with artwork, and didn't appreciate having their decision dictated by arbitrary standards that they did not agree to. They weren't doing it for the sake of rebellion, it was just called rebellion because it went against the social expectations of the time.
  People often do not understand the reason behind the act of rebellion and attribute those engaging in the activities as being done for the sake of rebellion itself instead of some deeper cause.
- Yeah but it used to be. Even Kat Von D is blacking out her tattoos so that it would be more provocative again which is how she likes it.

"Beauty has to be gendered"

I think you don't need to "look like a man" or "look like a woman" to be pretty

Angelic androgynous beauty is indeed so very beautiful.

Filler and injections.

When they're done badly, it's very noticeable and terrible. When they aren't done, it's fine. Not everybody is looking for curves and puffy lips. Presumably, there's a bunch of successful injections you never notice, but on the balance that's not a very good record.

Beards. I never understood why some women find it so sexy. But I am okay with people having different tastes. What is icky is that some women have made such a huge deal about them that it gets borderline unfair for men who don’t want to bother with grooming or those who cannot grow a full beard.

Beards are one of those things that are at least natural and have uses beyond beauty standards (e.g. some men have sensitive skin that easily gets irritated by shaving, and it protects the skin from sunlight, cold and drying out). If you don't go all out styling it or having it impractically long, a trimmed beard is less effort than a clean shave (at least for men who have to shave daily to maintain the clean look).
- Yes but the women in question expect a full, thick and groomed beard, not just maintained.
My SO would never let me shave mine. It's also a good way to immediately change my appereance/look 10 years younger if I ever want/need to.
- Yeah, I look like a teenager without a beard. I look like a father of a teenager with one lol.
What is icky is that some women have made such a huge deal about them that it gets borderline unfair for men who don’t want to bother with grooming or those who cannot grow a full beard.
TIL that's a thing. Beard culture mostly feels like men competing against and/or encouraging other men. And old ladies are pretty direct about fucking hating them.
- Many women, especially Instagram scrollers cannot stop raving about beards.
Agree with this. I think not every masculine face benefits from a beard.
Fun facial hair is awesome. Love a nice beard or mustache or sideburns. I draw the line at mustache wax tho. It grosses me out for some reason.

Fake eye lashes. Holy God do they look stupid but somehow are so normalized. No idea how some women find the courage to walk outside with what look to me like Muppet eyes.

For the love of God ladies, tone it down. Your eyes are beautiful as they are! Mascara is one thing, but if I feel a fucking breeze every time you blink, it’s gone too far.

You have it backwards. As with all things beauty, it isn't about having the courage to do it - doing it gives you courage and confidence.
It’s strange that this has made a comeback. It was a thing in the 1960s. And it’s a pain in the ass.
I think fake eyelashes can look flattering on older people when they are done right. As you age, your lids start to droop and your eye sockets recede. Fake eyelashes can help provide better definition in those cases.

Thick butts. No thank you. A little bump is nice, but most of what's out there is gross, and with a surface resembling asteroid impact craters.

You are probably looking at fat asses and not big asses
- Nah, I really like em on the skinny side.
Well, that's me out then.
Thank God.

Yeah but I’m a lady and can comment lol it’s doesn’t specify the gender
Ugh, I HATE when women present themselves in ways they like. They should be focused on appealing to ME, a man they aren't attracted to in the slightest.
Agreed BUT TBF he did not make a reference to women. It could apply to man too. Which is also stupid because it doesn't matter who you are you have the right to be what and how you want!
What I noticed in the top comments is also that many of the beauty standards mentioned are racialized, either appropriated or just plain racial. (E.g. thick lips, the hair curlies, the thin/drawn on eyebrows).
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There are mentions of beards, full public bush, overly white teeth, and tats. This thread isn’t just about women.
Women? Not only op didn't set any sex or gender constraints, but for what it's worth, disagreeing with a beauty standard doesn't mean you necessarily find it unattractive. It just means you don't think it's the right standard.
For me, I disagree about perfectly white teeth. I prefer the ivory shades, not yellow, just ivory. I steer clear of any tooth whitening products.
I don't see it. I don't find it gross at all, and wouldn't find the opposite version gross either if I saw it on c/womensstuff or something.

Septum rings. They just remind me of cows.

Yep, although I'm getting used to them over time. It still seems to be confined to people who are very "alt".

I would’ve said the tanning obsession, for health reasons, but that’s changed over the years.

I like my women dry, leathery, and dark like beef jerky 😋

Symmetry.

I’m still learning to embrace the beauty in asymmetry to this day😭

Overalls. Can't handle em

How are overalls beauty standard 🤣🤣🤣
- Edit: Also, I think Karen Allen wore overalls at least once in Indiana Jones. Kinda hot, in an unpolished way.
Where in the world are overalls the hottest thing?
Overalls are awesome. Especially when worn by a handsome guy without a shirt underneath.

Pure white teeth. I prefer ivory shades- not yellow, just the natural ivory. I've had salespeople approach me offering teeth whitening products and it terrifies me.

The =>6 ft tall obsession for males. Not one inch less.

I inherently detest the concept of a "beauty standard". Something so subjective to each individual experience as "beauty" shouldn't have a standard, and a mentality or social culture that tries to establish or reinforce them is something I believe to be highly problematic.

Like in this very post, all the people who are admonishing body modification (injections, implants, piercings, tattoos, etc...). That has been a thing humans have done since ancient times. It is just a form of personal expression, there is nothing inherently wrong with the practice itself. It is the social expectations that makes those things appear uncomfortable at first glance instead of just a different but equally valid form of personal expression. A lot of the comments around them are very judgmental of the assumed reasons behind doing it, though, and it is because of societal "beauty standards" that people behave and think this way.

Most of them, but by far makeup.

If someone enjoys it and wants to, I don't judge.

But I seriously never saw a person who looks better with makeup. Even light makeup ( which can look good) still looks worse than just natural.

Also there is this vicious cycle where heavy makeup users have worse skin and more pimples so they feel pressure to but heavier makeup, which in turn worsens the skin condition.

People, be happy, love yourself, you are pretty for who you are.

Long hair.

Shorter is better.

That's a hot take, ngl.
I agree. Then again, I'm a certified lesbian.
- Where can one get certified? Asking for a friend.
- I’m bi and I’m attracted to short hair on girls and long hair on guys hahaha
Do-ups and buns and things are nice, too. The history of using them for modesty tells me that's a minority opinion.
- No I get it. Hair that's put up in a messy way, so that there's a few stray strands that fall along the face and neck... Strangely hot.

I dislike most artificial "enhancements" to boost your attractiveness.

Things like fake lashes, hair extensions, fake nails, breast implants, BBLs, lip injections, botox, and so on. This also extends for me to things like overly excessive tattoos, piercing, and makeup.

I personally like people who look and feel real. I don't want to date a mannequin. It's a okay to have flaws, nobody is perfect. Your flaws are a part of your charm.

I like how the standard has fractured and there isn't really a standard now, but I do also kind of like the obviously fake bodies being the standard because an insistence on natural beauty is more oppressive than the idea of beauty as something you do, an art or achievement, even a purchase.

If beauty like that is something you choose, I am free to choose it or not. If it's just by luck of birth, that sucks so bad. When I was a gawky tall stick insect of a teenager and the only girls considered pretty were the short and stacked, there was no way to meet that standard.

Later the tide shifted but as I didn't grow up feeling my body could ever be mainstream sexy, I didn't get attached to that - I do have hangups but they are my own. I just try to stay in shape, have good hair, take care of my skin and let the rest be.

But I think my unpopular opinion is beauty as something you do - makeup, style, fitness, is more democratic than insistence on symmetry of features or a particular height or build, the idea of "natural beauty" is worse. Beauty should be a choice, a hobby, a project, do or not.

In terms of what I do not currently understand, it's the moustaches. Young men with weedy little moustaches, straight men with moustaches that scream gay to me, the unopposed highway patrol/1980s gay man moustache I can't wait for that trend to pass.

I don't like big boobs almost ever.

I've never dated a woman wearing false nails. The same with botox.

Also, I'm not seduced by make-up. Contrary to false nails, I don't mind it, I find it useless. I like to look at actual people, and I may even feel attracted to some of them. I'm not interested as much in looking at the fantasized image people may have of themselves.

I'm also not obsessed with a person looking young, meaning I don't mind grey hair and wrinkles. Why would I? I do wear my own wrinkles with no worries, alongside those (short) grey hair I would have on top of my own big head if I was not completely bald.

Not considering the body itself, there is a 'sexy' thing that always left me wondering what was so hot about them: high heels.

I mean, I get it they help shape the legs. But they're also quite obviously less stable to walk with and they seem rather uncomfortable to wear for hours. I would tend to favor the company of a woman able to go out for a long walk with me, be it in nature somewhere or to visit some art gallery or museum in town.

I can't think of a single beauty standard I do like. Everyone is beautiful in some way. Even the people who are regarded as ugly by the majority.

Big boobs.

Makeup

Flat stomach

It looks gross

Agreed. Should be bumpy like a washboard.

5 year olds dressed up to look like a 19 year old going out for a one night stand. Kids are cute, and I was never into one night stands, but when the girl is 19 I can appreciate looking at a lot of skin.

Calling anything about beauty a standard.

Obviously fake anything. Boobs. Lips. Butt.

Trying too hard in general. Just be you.

I get we're not perfect and we all have insecurities. Why are they called love handles? But people are just people. We're all human.

Plastic cosmetic surgery. It’s one thing if it is wanting to repair damage (injury, illness, etc), but just getting it to change your nose, breasts, whatever, or as a shortcut for hard work (think liposuction) I don’t understand at all.

I don't think that slimthick looks good

All of them.

This post is gross af

thanks to all the men in the comments providing women with a free incel blocklist. your opinion may be useless, but at least no one appreciates you.

God forbid that people have opinions... Life could be fun, but we don't want that! Seriously, your only reason for existence on social media seems to make other people's day worse. That is miserable.
- aww thank you. you just made my day hearing I make incels miserable. i hope you stay that way
Lol you're catching some votes but we've strayed from what OP was asking.
OP asking about beauty standards and people are straight up saying shit like "overalls" and "big boobs".
Not bad opinions on their own but far from beauty standards
- Big boobs are absolutely a common beauty standard. That's why breast enlargement surgery exists. Overalls are not, however.