The Senate is coming after PSL

And Democrats will support it since PSL pulled 171,000 votes that rightfully belonged to

171k votes that she still would've lost with btw lmao
- Yep, in no universe would I have ever voted for that bum. Same reason piracy doesn’t hurt media companies. People who pirate were never paying for that shit anyway.
I notice I'm not getting 171,000 upvotes on my posts....

This is how you know the PSL is doing the right thing

critical support for psl

The NAACP was banned from Alabama in the 50s for refusing to turn over their donor lists, the PSL better not lib out and fold over some wimpy senate committee hearing threats

They won't, but I'm not confident they're not using Google docs for their rolls, so the Fed probably already has the list.
true but i have no doubt that the member list of every lefty org in america is already fully known to the alphabets
they are incompetent but not that incompetent

You're telling me the moment a person or organization even starts to have the potential to effect change, they shut it down?

How did other countries' leftist movements deal with this? Like how did the Bolsheviks, Mensheviks, and SRs survive in Tsarist Russia when they were constantly being infiltrated, censored, banned, their leaders exiled, etc?
Maybe this is a better question for a separate askchapo/asklemmygrad thread.
- Going underground has been a successful tactic, where the structure and leadership are opaque but actions are still clear. We also just exist in a world of surveillance which has made the lessons from the Bolsheviks in this case almost irrelevant. Lenin sat on a train with someone hunting him and wasn't caught. You gotta get 7 surgeries and wait 5 years to possibly pull that trick that he did by just not having known photographs spread far and wide.
- Honestly they didn't live in the type of functional surveillance states that we live in. More than just technologies and techniques which have vastly improved as well as coordination the ability to hunt down enemies of the state there's also the fact the states they were in were not as shall we say functional or solid as ours. They were weakened states in some internal disarray.
  For this reason I think unfortunately revolution is pretty much hopeless and impossible in the imperial core until external conditions such as the collapse of imperialism and the US dollars and an overall weakening of the US state takes place and weaken these systems of surveillance and control and oppression. Until that happens, until they start rotting, things no longer working and not being repaired for weeks type of situation they're just too strong. That or we'd need way more than the 10-20% of society that usually sides with a revolution, like 50% and at least 30% willing to take violent and coordinated action and I don't see that in the US near-term so I think rot is the more likely to come and weaken and blind them and eventually in that decay room for things happening is found.
- The Bolsheviks developed out of "The Russian Social Democratic Labor Party," and organization where Lenin had a prominent position - because explicitly communist parties were illegal and repressed, so for a time everyone just called themselves social democrats. As for Lenin, he was a bit like Luthen from Andor, he kept his circles tight and did what he could to rigorously vet their ideology.
  Something similar happened in China, though not by choice - the Long March was so deadly that those few who survived it proved that they were genuinely committed to the cause. The fact that Deng Xiaoping was there from the start is part of why Mao was indecisive about him, purging him and then letting him back in several times.
  I believe there's sometimes been a strategy of having a nonthreatening, public facing organization, which aids and provides cover for a more radical, underground group. I don't have a source for that, but that's how I've heard American communists functioned before they were stamped out.
we just need to vote harder

Gosh I didn't know the senate had the ability to do this kind of thing. Somebody should have told the democratic senators about this in the past decade, they might have been able to hold the proud boys, patriot front, threepers, etc, accountable for their violent attacks. Shucks!

The Dems are too busy trying to win their votes
- (pelosi kneeling in a fred perry polo)

And in bad country, the two party system that's in reality one big party, rule with an iron fist and quash all the peasant's trying to organize outside of that system

I'm scared for these orgs, though. Apparently they're also targeting CHIRLA, which led the charge on these protests initially I believe, and other immigrant rights organizations, too. The new red scare is starting up I feel and the fascist hammer of the state will come down on everyone organizing outside the two parties.

The left never really survived the first red scare, but hopefully they picked up some lessons to apply to this one.

we have been in red scare 3 for at least 5 years
- Occupy Wallstreet had libs pearlclutching over communists, despite Occupy being super duper lib itself.

Josh “raise a fist in unity with 1/6ers” Hawley can eat a dick

Yeah fuck that guy
Yeah of course he’s orchestrating this blatant disregard for democracy. Total cartoon villain henchman.

Has the PSL issued a response?

I don't think so yet, but someone feel free to correct me if I'm wrong. I'm guessing they're consulting lawyers and discussing within their committees and such. The good thing about a democratic centralist organization is that they hopefully should be able to respond to this quickly, so I'm surprised they're taking this long, but hopefully it means a good and solid response of "fuck you, we haven't done anything, we don't have to".
- Eh. The hearings in the second red scare, HUAC, the Hollywood blacklist. They can haul whoever they want in front of congress and send them to prison and that especially applies to communists in front of special fascist panels. Not saying they should fold but uh they could absolutely start identifying and arresting and imprisoning leadership to say nothing of murdering them.
  So it's not necessarily so simple as asserting their rights, worth trying but you need a better plan than that because this guy isn't going to go "aww shucks" and back down over that. They're in full press the envelope of legality mode with all these actions so it's impossible to know for sure where they end up.

Dang someone better tell the person who’s distributing psl agitprop around town here 🥸

These liberals are pissing me off...

I'm the original ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀Starwalker

"And the PSL rebellion has been foiled. The remaining PSLists will be hunted down and defeated!" - Supreme Chancellor Trump, probably 2026

How did that poem go again? something about socialists.

first they came in the socialists

wheres the source link?

https://www.hawley.senate.gov/hawley-launches-investigation-into-organizations-bankrolling-la-riots/
https://x.com/HawleyMO/status/1932936510967251155

Joining.

Good time to skim through "The Jakarta Method" if anybody was looking for a book to do some light reading.

I've been thinking of joining. Seems this makes the decision easy.

Any updates on this? I haven’t been able to find how PSL is responding.

Nothing so far. I think they're staying silent on purpose.

This is EXACTLY why I think the CPUSA was smart for their little "We support nonviolent resistance" thing. Whether they do or not I truly feel like they needed to release that. Yeah, the state is going to do what they are going to do regardless but you have to do the little song and dance at least. You can't neglect it.

There's no appeasing the fascists.
- Exactly, the fascists will kill you or supress you if they even have the suspicion you're a leftist. They don't care if you're actually a leftist or not.
- The purpose is not appeasement.