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Why is it so hard for people to concede even small points when discussing charged topics?

I've been thinking lately about why, in debates (usually) about highly emotional topics, so many people seem unable to acknowledge even minor wrongdoings or mistakes from "their" side, even when doing so wouldn't necessarily undermine their broader position.

I'm not here to rehash any particular political event or take sides - I'm more interested in the psychological mechanisms behind this behavior.

For example, it feels like many people bind their identity to a cause so tightly that admitting any fault feels like a betrayal of the whole. I've also noticed that criticism toward one side is often immediately interpreted as support for the "other" side, leading to tribal reactions rather than nuanced thinking.

I'd love to hear thoughts on the psychological underpinnings of this. Why do you think it's so hard for people to "give an inch" even when it wouldn't really cost them anything in principle?

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  • Also consider the Yes Ladder - in sales, getting someone to say yes to something small makes them more likely to agree to other things.

    It also applies to other contexts. If a police suspect refuses to talk, they ask innocuous questions because once someone starts talking, it's hard to stop.

    Admitting incorrectness will make you more likely to concede other points too

  • I think we have an ecolutionary predisposition to be very defensive when we feel threatened. Add that to a social environment where we are CONSTANTLY and artificially condititioned to be threatened, considering that emotional intelligence and the ability to articolate and understand your own thoughts (let alone other's) are virtually never taught if not en passant and indirectly (and often the wrong this are taught) and you have the perfect recipe for the Tower of Babel.

    Humankind's inherent incommunicability of internal thought is paired with an artificial and political cooptation of our survival instincts, the ones we evolved to defend ourselves from the people that a re manipulating us right now. That's the reason antiauthoritarian thought is often patologized. They name the cure a sickness so that we keep ourselves under the Veil

    • I think I see what you’re trying to say, and I don’t necessarily disagree with everything, but based entirely on this one comment (which may not be indicative of how you generally communicate) I have to wonder if the communication issues you see stem at least partially from your own over-articulation of thoughts and use of “fluffy” language.

      I think this bit highlights what I’m trying to say best:

      are virtually never taught if not en passant and indirectly This statement feels like it’s saying the same proposition three times, but if I dig into it it is saying three things, but in a confusing manner. I think it would have been better served by replacing “if not” with something simpler like “or taught” to more easily connect the first idea with the other two in the reader’s mind. I probably would have replaced it all with “are taught incidentally at best,” which I think captures the meaning you are trying to convey in terms that are easier for anyone to understand.

      I don’t say this to try to bring you down. I just find beauty in seeing a concept existing in one’s mind, unbounded by the world, given a vessel structured by the words of language not to constrain or limit that idea, but to focus it into something that can be shared and understood with others. The vast majority of the time I see that vessel be too loose without giving proper shape to the idea it wants to convey. Yours is one of the very few internet comments I see that does the opposite, where it feels forced into a shape that’s too rigid. That makes me want to say something, because the mind that does that is a mind I think could learn from stepping back a little, rather than being told to force itself forward.

      This is as much me challenging myself to understand what bugged me about your comment as it is a comment on your comment, and for talking about giving shape to thoughts I don’t think I did a super job of it.

      I do think that humans are one of the only creatures capable of overcoming the difficulty in communication between minds because we are one of the only creatures capable of complex language to do that stuff I said earlier. But it is a skill that is difficult and requires a lot of time and effort to learn or teach. I do think communication is highly valued, or at least a lot of frustration espoused about a lack of communication, but modern society does make it difficult to work up the effort and acquire the resources to develop that skill.

  • I'm not an expert, but…

    even when doing so wouldn’t necessarily undermine their broader position

    Conceding one wrong is proof that you, your view or argumentation, is flawed. Conceding just one minor point puts every point's validity into question.

    Even if you can conclude that it's irrelevant both factually there's social and emotional aspects to it.

    We are driven not only by reason, but in large part by emotion, and our ingrained social psyche.

    Even if it is factually irrelevant, conceding is confirming fault, and may cause anxiety about repercussions in terms of social standing (how you are seen by the others) and for your argument as a whole (will you be trusted when something you said was wrong).


    What you describe as building identity is building that identity around a set of beliefs and group of people.

    Depending on the group and beliefs, two aspects come into play:

    Group dynamics of in-group and out-group. Loyalty may be more important than reason. The own group is likely seen as better than the "others". Others may be seen as inferior or as enemies.

    If you acknowledge just one point integral to the groups beliefs, what does that mean for you as a part of that group? Will you lose all your social standing? Will you lose being part of the group?

    Somewhat unrelated and related at the same time, because self-identity is also a construct to build stable group associations; building your confidence and self-identity around a set of values, conceding on some of them means losing stability and confidence in yourself, your worth.

    The human psyche is still largely driven by genetics developed in ancient times, and the environment.

    As a social create, it was critically important to be able to join groups and stay in them, to have strong and stable bonds. This persists today, in our psyche and behaviors.

  • Hmmm. There are a lot more opinions about this than I thought there'd be.

    Personally, and without any real evidence? I think it's just because conceding a point somehow feels as if it compromises your whole position. Like you're getting scored, and admitting you're wrong gives the other person a point and undermines your entire argument.

  • One thing I would add to all the good answers here: It stems from a lack of contact with real-world, messy, difficult environments.

    Usually people who come into contact with harsh reality a lot in their daily life are pretty humble. They don't get stuck on one way of looking at things, they don't refuse to admit obvious good sense arguments. Even if they get to the point that they're super-qualified, they just kind of have common sense and are approachable. Mostly, not always. I think this is why people kind of fall in love with certain types of environments with a lot of challenge or "win or lose" aspect to them: Business, sports, law, war, esports, mountain climbing, whatever. It's like you get to prove yourself and all your bullshit against the harsh light of day, and a lot of times what you learn is that some genius theory wasn't really all that solid once it got exposed to the real world.

    But then, a whole lot of first-world modern life isn't like that. You can just go around your entire life talking about economics or politics and just be wrong as hell and you never get to find out. So it's easy to be super-confident, and it's obviously a lot more comfortable to be always right about everything than it is to admit when someone's maybe successfully poking a hole in your genius.

  • In general the small points are not actually related to the overall point or are the rare exception to larger trends and are either meant to derail the discussion or show that the other person is going for gotcha points.

  • It depends a lot in which context the "discussion" is taking place.

    • at a dinner table it's more about small talk and performing... "social grooming" as you would observe it in ape societies.
    • at official events, people either have a job or an established opinion, they are in a stressful environment that does not actually allow them to make rational evaluations
    • in school / academia / media, the particular response and opinion will affect your grade, social standing and future career opportunities

    In all of those situations, it should be obvious why the "dominant" position does need to give an inch, for social reasons.

    Even in absolutely perfect conditions, calm environments, prepared discussion participants, "objective neutrality" towards the outcome, individuals will have different opinions on importance of topics or methods and will discard "details" or see them as irrefutable counter examples.

    Basically, there are lot of (subconscious) things going on that prevent an "objective discussion" from happening. I'm sure you can find specific examples of what could be influencing people in specific circumstances once you look for them.

  • I think it's two things.

    1. Tribalism and identity play a large role here, we're wired to defend our identity and that of our group so we naturally get defensive when those things are questioned.
    2. We have cultivated a culture in which being wrong or changing your mind about this stuff is weakness or makes you a bad person.

    People are desperately afraid of being wrong, of admitting that they made a mistake, especially one that makes them question their tribe's values because that combines shame and judgement with the possibility of being ostracized.

    Personally I've always tried to cultivate a willingness to be wrong because I value having the best possible information more than not being wrong or questioned. I actively seek our situations where my core beliefs and opinions are challenged and tested, where I am exposed to new ideas and perspectives, because to me that is the only way to make sure I have an accurate and well informed worldview. But it definitely took a lot of effort to quash that gut reaction of 'fuck you don't question me'.

    • It’s been less than a week since I last publicly admitted to being wrong about something. Not only did I get called ignorant for being wrong in the first place, but even more so for admitting it.

      I also agree with your point about pressure-testing your own beliefs. Whenever I’m debating someone, it’s as much about trying to influence their beliefs as it is about letting them test mine. I know I’m wrong about plenty of things, and I don’t want to stay wrong any longer than necessary. If there’s a flaw in my reasoning, I want someone to point it out to me in a way I can’t ignore.

      It’s painful to be proven wrong - I’m not immune to that either. It stings. What I don’t understand, however, is why, instead of simply leaving the discussion, some people start making excuses, redefining terms, rewriting history, or attacking me personally based on beliefs I often don’t even hold. That kind of behavior just seems absurd to me.

      I’m usually not someone who picks sides easily, but I think the Russian invasion of Ukraine is a rare example where it’s pretty clear to me who the good guys are (though I’m open to counterarguments). Even then, if someone pointed out that Ukraine has committed war crimes too, I’d say that’s almost certainly true - but it doesn’t change how I feel about Ukraine broadly when compared to who they’re fighting against. My worldview isn’t threatened by admitting that. I genuinely struggle to understand the perspective of someone who can’t do the same.

      • One nice thing about being willing to admit that you're wrong is when other people make a big deal about it you can say something like 'Look, I apologized and I said I would do better in the future, are you trying to accomplish something with all this endless harping on a resolved issue or are you just still stuck on how upset you were that I'm fallible just like everyone else?'

        I don’t want to stay wrong any longer than necessary

        Right, exactly. I care more about having the correct information than I do about being seen to be right. Honestly I don't find it painful to be wrong unless it's something I defended eagerly and resisted being corrected on, which does happen sometimes, but most of the time I can just shrug and go 'My bad, but at least I've learned something here today.'

        What I don’t understand, however, is why, instead of simply leaving the discussion, some people start making excuses, redefining terms, rewriting history, or attacking me personally based on beliefs I often don’t even hold. That kind of behavior just seems absurd to me.

        Because some people over-correct in resisting being wrong until they have to be right all the time.

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