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8mo ago

Straight-up BS’: Democratic chair attacks Bernie Sanders’ election critique | Sanders’ analysis that Democrats lost because they failed working-class voters scorned by party chair Jaime Harrison

www.theguardian.com

‘Straight-up BS’: Democratic chair attacks Bernie Sanders’ election critique

Democrats are committed to losing and are turning towards "we gotta be more racist and transphobic".

Seth Moulton also turning on trans people and outright declaring himself transphobic after prior tweets recognising things like Trans Day of Remembrance.

https://x.com/SLCLunk/status/1854597079773200550

"Progressive era has to end" from Elise Jordan. When was there ever one?

https://x.com/LailaAlarian/status/1854151933117788193

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8mo ago

'Straight-up BS': Democratic chair attacks Bernie Sanders' election critique. Sanders' analysis that Democrats lost because they failed working-class voters scorned by party chair Jaime Harrison.

www.theguardian.com /us-news/2024/nov/07/bernie-sanders-democrats-election

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Quadrupling down is a bold move, DNC. Let's see if it pays off.
- Can we lose to Trump a third time? We shall see!
  
  In this timeline, Dems will endorse and successfully help pass a repeal of the 22nd Amendment so they can run against Trump again (because he's so beatable!) and still lose.
  
  fuck me. lmao.
  
  They will try
  
  There will be no 3rd time, he didn't even want to step down last time
- Spoiler alert, it won't. They were already alienating their base by playing the "both sides" card.
- Nope. That will definitely not work, like at all. The Democrats can’t simply debate bro their way out of this.
  Obama did this very thing and basically destroyed him and gave him an origin story
  Maybe Obama destroyed Trump for you, but not for the voters who voted for Trump, or else they wouldn’t have voted for him.
  If fact, the Democratic party is a joke to many petit bourgeois. And also for many working class people, because it abandoned them about 40 years ago in favor of neoliberalism, and has only further abandoned them since[1].
  
  Dude you can’t just appeal to trump voters and hope to win. It hasn’t worked, it can’t work, it won’t work. You have to appeal to progressives and people who do not want money in politics. And I don’t believe the democrats will ever be willing to do that.
- Is it even satire?
  
  https://thehardtimes.net/culture/dnc-announces-plans-to-learn-nothing-from-this/
Harrison has reportedly chosen not to seek to stay on as DNC chair but his dismissal of Sanders’s statement provoked anger of its own, including from the reporter and columnist Glenn Greenwald. “You and the corporatist and militarist party you lead just got your ass kicked all up and down the US, because Americans see that you only care about enriching yourselves at the corporate lobbying trough,” Greenwald wrote. “If the humiliation you just suffered doesn’t usher in some humility and self-reflection, nothing will.”
-rarely do I read an article and genuinely think "man, that guy got slammed." as the rhetoric typically suggests, but wholly hell did Harrison get slammed.
- You chose Glenn Greenwald as the avatar of this message?
- You absolutely do not have to hand it to Greenwald, but he really did rise to the stopped-clock moment here...
- the American Coalition for Clean Coal Electricity
  I bet they're allied with the American Association of Promoting Women's Rights and Rape.
There is no home for progressives in the Democratic Party. At this point the only hope is to go independent like Sanders or join one of the third parties and abandon Democrats entirely. Democrats will never learn.
- Part of the problem is Sanders is one of the rare ones and he is just too damn old.
  
  That's why I favor building a labor party and splintering the Democrats away from their shitty party. Their party is full of people who do not belong and would be more at home in a different party, if we had a system that wasn't so unfavorable to third parties.
  The only choice is to replace the Democrats as the only other party. Let all the right-wing Democrats join the Republicans and we build a new party with everyone who is left.
  Seems... Impossibly hard to do though.
  
  Which speaks to a much greater problem regarding Sanders: he dropped the chance to build a movement and parallel platform and instead just became a sheepdog for Clinton, Biden, and Harris. He was a useful lightning rod for the popularity of social spending policies and getting debt off the backs of the vast majority of people, but only served as a lightning rod, not turning it into organizing or strength. Just like Obama disassembled his electoral team to use party insiders and lose the 2010 midterms, Sanders gave away his donor list for a song and left his ground game operation hanging until they fucked off and did their own things.
  This is why any turn to the Democratic party is a death knell and why we need the exact opposite approach to building the left. The heart of left strength is organizations, of people workinh to educate one another, recruit, and engage in action according to an independent political program that does not wane or falter just because one old guy capitulates to Democrats. There needs to be hundreds of people ready to replace any "important" figurehead or candidate or politician, they must be jettisonable as needed and beholden to members' will, not donors'.
  
  I wonder how many good people are out there that just won't get into politics because they're "children of the Internet."
  I'm not saying I'm worth a shit, but my Internet footprint over my life would have me destroyed if I got into politics. I try to leave as little as I can truly public of myself, but back in the Myspace days and early Facebook I was very very ignorant.
"We have the perfect candidate lined up for 2028! We've recruited Dr.Frankenstein and in a world first we've resurrected both Margaret Thatcher and Ronald Reagan, stitched them together, and they will be the new face of the Democratic party! Vote for us or you're racist and just want Donald Trump to win!"
- I have terrible news, Margaronald's tenure in hell made them unelectable among Christians. We're gonna gave to go with plan B and get George Bush and somehow make him more racist
  
  Take his paintbrushes and say black people did it
  
  Margaronald lmao
  
  Jesus went to hell. That's actual Christian doctrine. It's called the Harrowing of Hell. 1Peter 4:6 and Ephesians 4:9 make direct reference to it.
- that monsters name? Ted Cruze
  
  The date is January 20, 2030. President Rafael Theodore "Ted" Cruz, Canadian Zodiac Killer suspect, enters the Whitehouse for the first time as Commander-in-Chief. He giggles stupidly through his nose as he steps into the Oval Office, patchy beard catching his spittle. His prodigious belly jiggles beneath a too-tight dress shirt and suit jacket as he walks. The seams of his pants strain with effort.
  "Oh boy, are we going to do great things in here," Ted says to no one in particular. His arms outstreched, he completes a full spin before plunging his face into Trump's chair and inhaling deeply. The prior administration's aides left it here for him, specifically as he requested. He savors the musky, faintly fecal aroma, his crooked member growing turgid, almost long enough to press against the inside of his trousers - but not quite. Teddy shivers at the sensation.
  "EVERYONE OUT!" his voice cracking as he authoritatively commands his aides to leave the room. He can't take the arousal anymore. They stare at him open-mouthed, but they comply. They'll always comply now. Ted smiles smugly, assured of his stately presence and presidential demeanor. Kneeling before the well-worn leather chair, Cruz meticulously unbuttons all but the top button of his shirt and tosses his jacket aside. Arms shaking, he drags the shirttails erotically over Vienna sausage nipples. Giggling, he says to himself, "Wouldn't want to get you messy," before throwing the shirttails over his shoulders. He feels majestic. Like Count Chocula from the cereal boxes mommy would never buy him. But now mommy is so proud of him and he can buy all the Count Choccy he wants. And oh, does he want.
  Ted whips out his phone but fumbles it. Wormlike, he inches across the floor to retrieve it. Retaking his position before the chair, he sniffs again. "Please look into the camera, no face detected," his phone reads. He looks, poutingly at the camera. He tries smiling. He tries frowning. But still, the phone will not recognize his very normal human face. A face mommy even called handsome once. He begrudgingly enters his password. He holds up his Whitehouse ID to log into PornHub and navigates to the incest section by muscle memory. "Hot Latina MILF Makes Teen Boy a Man" catches his fancy. "Teddy's been a good boy, mami," he whines in a feigned Cuban accent. His hands are cold and sweaty with excitement. As he pushes play, his fat finger slips and the share menu pops up.
  "Oh no Teddy you've done it again, don't post it to Twitter like the last time - and on 9/11 too, you were so naughty," he shivers with an erotic sense of shame. "Oh, X, I'm sorry Elon," he says, looking over his shoulder. "No, it's okay, keep going," says Vice President Musk before crawling into an armoire, beady eyes glinting through the cracked door.
  Teddy's finger hovers over the X on the share menu, trembling. He catches a faint whiff from the chair and spontaneously orgasms. The muscles of his hand sieze up. "Oh Teddy look what you've done..."
- Trumps going for a 3rd term?
  
  Trump Forever. We will know nothing but Trump.
  Jokes aside he did mention years ago that he was due a third term because the Democrats were unfair to him so baby wants a do-over
  
  Looking forward to Trump Jr. and Eric....
Marx and Lenin continue to be vindicated by the passage of time.
No, the Democrats will not shift left. Their donors would rather they lose to republicans than win on a more progressive platform, and as such will not shift left.
No, we cannot "elect good democrats" to shift the party to the left. The DNC is an organization that has perfected itself as an anti-radical filter. Those who can fundraise well are elevated to the top, those who speak up against injustice are shunned and whipped.
We must actively organize outside the DNC and pressure the system. I keep an intro to Marxism-Leninism list I can link if anyone wants it, let me know.
- I do.
  
  Here it is, Cowbee's "Read Theory, Darn It!" beginner reading list. All except one work has an audiobook alternative linked, otherwise there are text links directly to said works. It starts off with foundations, then builds on said foundations, ending with some practical advice on how to conduct yourself as a Leftist in general. I also include intersectional theory regarding trans and enby liberation, gay rights and history, and decolonialism.
  Let me know if you have any questions or suggestions!
No way, Democrats have to pivot more to the right, surely that help, right? …right?
- It has helped exactly 0 times in the past, why wouldn't it work this time?
  
  Liberals are losing their minds blaming everyone except their dogshit policies and strategies.
  You know what, yeah I did cause the Dems to lose. And you know what, I’ll fuckin do it again in the midterms if they don’t move left.
- It helps their donors, who would rather the Dems lose than shift left and win.
Just a reminder people who can't beat Lindsay Graham aren't worth listening to electorally.
- To be fair, in South Carolina, Jesus could run as a Democrat and somehow lose to Lindsey Graham with likely voters.
This is what I'm saying here, it's time to blow up the Democratic Party. It's already done like 2/3 of the work for us. Blow it up.
- Yes, join a socialist organization and help delegitimate these (literal) losers and help put focus on the issues faced by working people!
  If you are are still particularly interested in electoralism, then I recommend getting together with like-minded people to create a disciplined voting bloc who loudly announce that they will not vote for Dems unless a certain policy regime is adopted.
  The sassy way for me to put this is that there will be no blowing up or realignments so long as you and others vote for these clowns! This is why they try to pander using PR and not policy concessions.
DNC Announces Plans to Learn Nothing from This
- Dang it the onion! You gotta stop with the news and get back to over the top satire. You are fooling people into hope again.
Wow. Theyre doubling down? Fucking idiots.
- At this point they're quadrupuling down. Not our first rodeo, brochacho
- They and most of their constituents are tripping down
They're truly just humiliating themselves over and over again.
"Sanders you fool! The view from atop my ivory tower does not match the view you say the people who are not on the ivory tower have."
Bernie isn’t spewing bullshit. Jaime Harrison can fuck off.
After what we all just witnessed it is beyond me how anyone thinks this isn’t just the system working as intended. Both the Rs and Ds worship capital. That’s the only “both sides” issue that matters to them
Let them eat cake… but remember, the cake is a lie
- Let them eat cake... but remember, the cake is a lie.
  Friggin' mic drop dude! This statement is amazing 👏
  
  Thanks. Here is proof for the remaining cake eaters.
The guy who lost to Lindsay Graham is lecturing others on winning strategies lmao
- Ah, but he lost in the right way: campaigning nationally instead of the state he was running in, and thereby raising record amounts of campaign funds to pay into the pockets of DNC-associated consulting firms.
This is the second time this has happened. Democrats in the 50s-60s realized they could get votes in the North by not being racist, while Republicans at the same time realized they could get votes in the South by being racist. It just really shows that neither side really cares all that much, it’s mostly a show for political gain.
Democrats in denial.
The democrats have been taking ethnic and racial minorities, women, and the working class for granted for decades. The slow erosion got faster, and now they got what they deserved. With no viable alternative on the left, they turned to the right. And now the democrats are slowly becoming the party of self-loathing white privilege, and they feel comfortable saying that it's "straight-up BS" that poor people matter. Poors, blacks, browns, and uteruses are just supposed to vote Democrat no matter what, right? That's what my privileged, white, college-educated friends tell me anyway. The dems got kicked in the teeth, and (almost) everyone's going to suffer for it.
- Only one thing I disagree with, they're not taking minorities for granted, they're holding them for ransom. They deliberately refuse to codify civil liberties and anti corruption measures in case they'd like to use them.
- It’s only fair that they learn that queer people are willing to ditch them if they pull this shit
  
  You're here, you're queer, and you're about to go 40 years backwards in social acceptance. And the scary part is there's no way to go back into the closet in the world we live in with social media. Here's hoping the ascendant radical right wing isn't as bad as people think.
🖕
Fuck Jaime Harrison. What a dipshit.
Sounds like something a loser would say.
You know what could prove him wrong? Maybe electing a president? Or winning the house? Or the Senate?
Oh, I mean surely if what he is saying is such bullshit you guys got at least 2/3 of these right?
If the DNC chair had an opinion worth considering then they already would have resigned in the disgrace everyone feels for them
Are you sure they are committed to losing and not committed to trying to win by adopting republican tactics?
- It's the same picture
And this is why I’m betting Sanders is going to found a new political party, and that this is actually the death of the DNC. And all of that is a good thing.
- Sanders is 83 years old. He’s already had two opportunities to start a new party, and both times he choose to sheepdog his base to the Democratic party instead. Bernie isn’t going to be our savior.
There's only so long you can pretend not to hear when they tell you exactly who they are.
Anyone who still claims to be against fascism and considers themselves in any way left leaning, and still supports not only democrats, but the idea that the system can somehow be reformed or fixed from within, is either in complete denial or completely full of shit (because they are neither antifascist nor left leaning).
Fun fact: 90% of Democrats quit moving towards the right before getting moderate republican support.
But on a serious note, I remember seeing a bunch of comments on Lemmy about how Trump was guaranteed to lose against Kamala and then far-right would splinter and die out and everything would be fine again, yet this is something that might actually happen to the Democrats, given how they're seemingly pointing fingers at everyone trying to find who to blame and who's responsible. I really hope they don't delude themselves into learning the wrong lessons, but it seems likely to happen.
- was guaranteed to lose against Kamala and then far-right would splinter and die out and everything would be fine again
  At this point the only thing I'm hoping for is that this happens in 4 years when Trump can't legally run as president again. No figurehead, no MAGA.
  Wishful thinking, but possible.
  As for the democratic party, yeah pretty much. I think it's been clear for a while that voters are unhappy with the DNC and reluctantly accept the lack of actual progressive policy. Much like the Republican party has been split from MAGA and "classical conservatism" for lack of a better phrase, the Democratic party has been split between liberals and leftists.
  The difference is that classical conservatives will always vote in party lines, making the MAGA figurehead their guaranteed pick.
  Democratic don't always pick their party line. Sometimes we get independents or multiple Democrats, sometimes we just don't show up to vote if the candidate isn't as good as they should be. So like many have been saying, if we get an actual leftist candidate, it's possible we would actually have significantly higher voter turnout.

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