RIP to the 2,996
it's rare to see someone giving recognition to the pilots
He respects that grindset
They were George Bush best friends
they laughed at me when i said i would sleep with him & could change him.....
look at him now you fools
the world needs more cousins like you
dear god
We just need to show him the left-wing drug fueled orgies
“Siri, play Ridin Dirty”
Is this guy on some kind of arc or is this just the anti-interventionist strain of libertarianism?
the anti-interventionist strain of libertarianism?
i don't want to claim any kind of redemption arc, because I do not know the inside of their mind, and their correct words alone don't mean anything, but usually if it were merely anti-interventionist libertarianism, they would be doing the Rand Paul thing of complaining about the loss of Amerikkkan "blood and treasure" in the "middle eastern quagmire" rather than lamenting the loss of civilian life to imperialism.
Here's his follow-up Instagram video (rehosted alternative), which was captioned
Bush lied, the uni-party lied, Americans died, and now they are more powerful than ever. Anytime you think to yourself “oh our government would not do that.” Remind yourself that oh yes they would.
Transcript
So remember: as we mourn the tragedy of what happened on 9/11 on all the American lives lost, also realize that it was a tool that was used for the rise of the police state. It was enabled the Patriot Act to be able to be passed, which is why we see the NSA and the FBI being so powerful today. It's why they were able to have mass surveillance of all US citizens. Uh, we were then told that they were weapons of mass destruction, and then we invaded a country that had no one involved in 9/11; 19, I believe Saudi Arabians, carried out this terrible act. And so then we invade Iraq and Afghanistan. I don't really see how that makes any sense. Uh, just remember that our government will always do what is in the best interests of the ruling class. And if that is to destroy American lives, they will either sit by or they will do it themselves.
So unlike the attention-grabbing image, pretty much all the concern in this video is indeed about blood and treasure + lost civil liberties for Americans, not the millions of deaths caused overseas.
tbh probably just incoherent American politics.
Also I think this post is partially directed at the Ukraine War. The right has been trying to brand themselves as anti-interventionists for years, and they're on hard anti-interventionist footing anyways right now wrt to Ukraine. Bring up China and Mexico and that anti-interventionism drops away.
It's also the national bourgeoisie opposing wars waged on behalf of the haute bourgeoisie I guess.
He sucked off his cousin and the GOP turned off the money spigot. If I had to guess, he's trying to get a career in "alternative media" now. Give it a month before he's booked on TYT.
Hope I don't get banned for this, but like can someone explain to me exactly why this shit is funny and there's no nuance around it? Like, you can mourn the Muslim lives lost due to American Imperialism AND mourn the lives of the people who had fuck all to do with any of that? Like the janitors in the building for example? Like I get it fuck the state but for it to be something people post about and laugh at all day long is hard for me to grock. What if it was your family that died?
I'm not trying to argue anything or get in a struggle session around it but like, I'm just surprised that I haven't really seen any kind of pushback or critique around making that big of a joke of this.
of course the actual lives lost in 9/11 was tragic, yes, but it is primarily funny (at least to me) because:
A. its been 22 years and most Americans act like it happened yesterday
B. We kinda had it coming (as a country, not saying the janitors or firefighters themselves did)
C. Most Americans will get red in the face if they hear you say or do something even mildly neutral about 9/11. I had a teacher once scream at me in the hallway because I, as a high school senior in 2012, was like "the 8:46 announcement that 'please take a moment of silence the first plane has struck the North Tower' and the 9:03 announcement 'please take a moment a silence the second plane has struck the South tower' are ridiculous and literally just trauma porn & what is worse is that most of the student body doesn't even have memories of 9/11" (the announcement shit was literally done like every 9/11 in my school district. Announcements for both planes striking the towers on the exact minute it happened as well as moments of silence during them. Every 9/11 was like this K-12 - ridiculous)
D. I am kinda super biased against 9/11 in general because I for years, being biracial, had people call me a terrorist because in my 95% white town I was the closest complexion to middle eastern they'd ever seen.
E. Uhhhh the War on Terror??
Damn that part about having a moment of silence for when each plane hit the towers is...pretty ridiculous. I also don't think we ever really had a moment of silence for it in school as I remember it, and I graduated in 2006. So I too would roll my eyes all the fuck back in my head if I were you.
In terms of your bias due to profiling stuff, do you think it's kind of a reactionary response after so much of that? Being like "fuck you, you are using this as an excuse to be a piece of shit, so I don't care anymore"? I know someone else whose biracial and he was profiles like that and he suuuper doesn't find it funny. Obviously everyone has different ways that they process that shit but just curious for curiosity's sake. Also to be clear when I say reactionary I don't mean that in a disparaging way, it would be super understandable
it is in poor taste, but for those who came of age post-9/11, that one day was used as a cudgel for years by the worst types of people for the flimsiest appeals to patriotism. the flag humpers and such. also, state sanctioned violence (evictions, unaffordable health care, covid 'rules') have killed millions more than that one attack. it was a matter of america's chickens coming home to roost, as
would sayfuck patriots and fuck patriotism. america is shit and if you love it you're complicit.
Thanks for that. I think I have very similar sentiments about it all but yeah just how extreme the lulz go makes me feel uncomfy but I get it. It's not like I've never said "happy 9/11 day" lol
Personally I got sick a long time ago of having the mawkish sentimentality around 911 shoved in my face while being used to justify bullshit wars that ultimately accomplished nothing and were for nothing, yet killed nearly five million people and displaced nearly 40 more. You can't unleash that kind of brutal nihilism and expect me to take 9/11 seriously.
Also, this actually is a pretty good post from a surprising source. It's funny that it's Madison Cawthorn saying it.
I totally forgot who Madison Cawthorn was so I looked him up, I wonder what his mindset is in posting this since he's a huge chud?
Also I get your reasoning for sure, I think it's just off-putting to really rail on it and make fun of it instead of just being like "fuck this day I'm tired of it" or just forgetting it completely. To each their own I guess I laugh at some 9/11 memes too though so I get it to a degree
Take a look at those 2 numbers again and tell me, which group have you heard more memorializing about from westerners? Yeah lets care about them both equally, that means we should spend 99.99% of the time talking about the deaths in the middle east
I didn't say anything about caring equally. I know that 9/11 is peanuts compared to the atrocities enacted by the US. I just don't find it THAT funny to post a million memes about it, and wanted to know people's actual perceptions since I hadn't seen much actual discussion around it. I'm glad that I asked because it's interesting to hear each persons' unique perspectives while we are all in general agreement on many of the reasons that it feels like bullshit
the joke is that they said something objectively correct and how absurd it is that saying it is controversial
What if it was your family that died?
I have many family members who are veterans. Some of them shot during wars. I don’t particularly care about them, but let’s say I do. Maybe I’ll mourn their deaths in the attacks, but then what? It’s done and over with. They are heroes in the eyes of America. Someone will always be there to ‘stand up’ for them.
Millions of Muslims and their families have turned into dust and no one will ever care. Their countries will likely continue to crumble for centuries, and again, no one gives a shit.
Grieve away for the Americans, but I don’t care anymore. I don’t find the attacks funny and the memes are often try hard, but I can only shed so many tears. Enough people are already doing it for America, and not enough are grieving for the ones who will never, ever recover.
I hear that. I am definitely more in the camp of "I literally do not care about recognizing this but do feel bad for those that passed when I remember that it was even a thing".
Your dipshit veteran family members who signed up voluntarily are not the same as some random janitor working the twin towers
September two years ago I was taking a walk by my old school before the school year had started, and I saw the football team gearing up for the season. The coach thought they were slacking with their suicides, so he gets them all in a line and starts yelling at them about 9/11. Some dude he didn't even know but went to school with had died in the towers I guess. Still sad of course. But it's been 20 years, everyone on the team was born after 9/11, no one even knows this guy who died (the coach didn't even really either), and his central thesis (the rant went on for like 10 minutes, you could hear him quite a ways away he was yelling so loud) was that "those people in the towers died so that you could stand on this field today." I hadn't really heard that sort of rhetoric since 2011 when Osama died, about the arab terrorist threat at the door and only the brave men and women in the US military can protect us. Brought back memories of my middle school peers wanting to "carpet bomb the middle east," the racist jokes that came from South Park, Family Guy, and all the shitty stand up comics from around that time, the constant "support our troops" and "never forget" stuff. In 2011 I was in high school and all the jocks and other chuddy people brought American flags to school and just skipped class to stand on the cafeteria tables chanting pro-America slogans after Osama died.
So I think most people are just reacting to the way it's been bludgeoned to death for years, was used to justify really horrible domestic and international policies, and how insufferable most Americans were and are when it comes to 9/11. If someone was to say "hey my dad died in the towers" I doubt most people here would say ha well he deserved it. But 9/11 has moved from just being a tragic event to being a cultural touchstone associated with really horrible things.
my god, I do remember guys like this. My uncle would tell me about how every girl in my school would be wearing a burka if not for the surge of troops into Afghanistan. Every bloodthirsty reactionary American got to live out a fantasy of impending subjugation from some imaginary Islamic State that would soon beat down the doors and force everyone under their rule.
the worst part is that some of what these idiot Americans imagined would happen did come true, it came true for people living in Iraq/Syria who came under attack from ISIS and it came true for Afghans now living with the Taliban, both of which can be squarely blamed on America in the first place. It was all projection the entire time.
start no shit, won't be no shit. But America prefers to start shit, so civilians will die and then someone will say they died for freedom again, so we mock that.
I thought the joke was that Maddison Cawthorn would actually give a shit about the innocent Muslims. Is this a real tweet of his? Isn’t he the Hitler fanboy house rep?
That's my bad I forgot who he was until I checked out this post and...yeah that sounds super bizarre that he would post that
It's the second-most recent post on his verified instagram account, and the first is a selfie video, so I think this is for real.
I don't give a shit because most of the people in that building weren't innocents.
And for the ones that were I refer to Frankie Boyle: https://youtu.be/zwc32B1DlIA?t=629
Lmao damn that part about the mixed feelings got me. Granted I don't know the specifics of exactly who worked in the building. I know there were pieces of shit definitely, but yeah. I'm definitely not taking my hat off to mourn the day, just was like "yeowch these jokes are getting extreme". Learned a lot from asking the question, though.
lmao what did they pass some new law against mourning America's dead? Did I miss something, is that the mainstream position now? I spent most of my childhood watching adults wail and rend their garments about this shit. It replaced baseball as the national pastime. if you know someone who actually died in the attack that sucks for you, but otherwise get over it, we don't need to go through the whole charade on a supposedly radical internet forum.
Um, i didn't say that anyone needs to publicly mourn anything on hexbear, I sure dont. It was a genuine question but cool hostile response, I appreciate it.
Some thoughts on this from the 9/11 megathread. My comment (objectively the most correct take):
It was a terrorist attack on civilians. That's a tragedy no matter the surrounding context.
The surrounding context can give a different perspective on a tragedy, though. In the context of nurturing the conditions that produced 9/11, creating a civic religion around it, doing horrific war crimes as a response for the past 20 years, and then sweeping under the rug that month during the pandemic where we had a 9/11 every day, I find that humor is the best way to communicate "shit's crazy, man."
See also: school shootings, suicide.
LeopardsAteMyFace
This is the most succinct and accurate response lol
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Hexbear don't fall for the right disingenuously appropriating left talking points challenge GONE WRONG (part 124)
Nobody here thinks cawthornes anything more than a fascist dickhead it's just funny seeing somebody actually have the correct take even though it's polar opposite to their beliefs just to try to own the libs.
