The DNC is the only reason you're not currently enjoying a second-term Sanders and a sane Supreme Court.
cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/17199847
@Snowden
The DNC is the only reason you're not currently enjoying a second-term Sanders and a sane Supreme Court.
It's amazing people don't see this for the propaganda it is coming from this user.
Glad Sync has the ability to tag users
Not like you really need it with that one. I don't think I've ever seen a bigger red flag name.
Legitimately, they have an entire video sub where the spam garbage.
DNC gets caught committing fraud in their own primary
"No obviously it's because not enough people voted for Bernie in the primary"
mmm yes I wonder why that is
Bernie was winning until the DNC called in the media assasination and started cooking numbers.
Remember when Chris Matthews lost his fucking mind and started claiming that a sanders presidency would mean executions in Central Park.
It is so frustrating sometimes talking about the history I lived through with people on this site. They will straight faced tell you how “no one beat Biden in the primaries this year” or “sanders has his chance to win but lost”
One candidate has the backing of the DNC and the corporate media which hammers nonstop about how voting for sanders is voting for socialist death squads and he is unelectable. I’m sure that had no impact on the voters though. Billy and Bonnie msnbc watcher probably saw that clip and fully understood the complex nuances of who owns msnbc, what their motivations are, and could understand why one of the 4 media conglomerates might be a bit concerned about their profit machine getting disrupted. They certainly wouldn’t take 24/7 coverage about how unelectable and dangerous he is to heart.
...and the last minute rule changes in Nevada
To those who disagree here are some articles from 2016
https://observer.com/2016/10/wikileaks-reveals-dnc-elevated-trump-to-help-clinton/
https://www.cnn.com/2016/06/06/politics/superdelegates-hillary-clinton-nomination/index.html
https://www.chicagotribune.com/2016/07/25/dnc-betrayed-bernie-sanders-and-the-rest-of-america/
Everything would be perfect! And we would all be happy!
Parallel universe horseshit is really enlightened and helpful!
Gore v Bush would like a word. We gotta stop "electing" Republicans cause then some wild shit happens to America.
If Gore had not been blocked from the presidency by Jeb Bush's Florida (with its' goddamned hanging chads in the ballot) and the right wing Supreme Court purposely dragging its' feet then saying "there is no time":
These are but a few of the major sliding door points, there are MANY others.
Yet lazy, stubbornly ignorant narcissistic idiots still insisted and to this day insist that bOtH pArTiEs ArE tHe SaMe LoL aMiRiTe.
These non-voters see their blood-soaked hands and sigh in contentment at their mediocre idea of purity.
They really did think people were happy with how things had been going the last eight years.
The Obama-Trump voter clearly remains beyond the comprehension of a lot of people.
There's nothing to comprehend. They don't understand how things work. And can't commit for any length of time. They want change. But Democrats having to fix Republican damage struggle to do much else. So they figure that they will vote for the opposition. But the opposition always makes things worse. So they vote for Democrats to fix and change things. Democrats start to fix things but they don't do it fast enough so they vote for the opposition. In the opposition makes things worse so they vote for Democrats to fix it and change things. The Democrats fix things as much as they can but they can't change anything so they vote for the opposition etc etc etc.
We know. Doesn't matter until we have ranked choice or the like. Only one side gives us even a glimmer of a chance at that, so we have one choice.
You won't have ranked choice (or any other kind of vote) if you don't vote.
I support ranked choice, but I don't see how that's relevant here.
That is part of the problem...
"It was the DNC!"
Oh cool, here I thought it was three and a half million Dem voters who were more right-wing than Bernie.
I voted for Bernie. I marched for Bernie. I donated to Bernie. I love Bernie, he's a fighter and an idealist, and the world would be better if politicians like him had more influence.
But the reason he lost in 2016 wasn't because of some nebulous DNC conspiracy. It's because this is still a very right-wing electorate, even in the Democratic Party (and especially in 2016), something critics are all-too-eager to point out at every moment in time except when it offers an opportunity to denigrate the legitimacy of the less-right-wing party running.
Curious.
This article is old, but a good read: https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/11/14/16640082/donna-brazile-warren-bernie-sanders-democratic-primary-rigged
The 2016 Democratic primary wasn’t rigged by the DNC, and it certainly wasn’t rigged against Sanders. But Democratic elites did try to make Clinton’s nomination as inevitable, as preordained, as possible. And the party is still managing the resentment that engendered in voters. “Once somebody doesn’t trust you,” sighs Buckley, the New Hampshire Democratic chair, “it’s very hard to get that trust back.”
The DNC did mess with the 2016 preselections, but the article argues that that probably benefited Sanders, by giving him much more of a platform than he would otherwise have had.
But it also seems like a footgun for the democrats as a whole, and probably contributed to the 2016 anti-establishment vibe that led to the Trump win
You need to understand the mentality. If they like something, then everyone in the whole world must like it, too.
If people think it was the DNC all I'll say is "could be". The main stream media very much did Bernie dirty. If they reported on Bernie's campaign at all, it was to essentially mention that he was not a real candidate. They never reported on the massive rally turnouts he was having. If people consuming MSM saw how much energy was in the Bernie campaign I would bet that would have gotten more people interested in his message and to the primary to vote for him.
“A presidential election is not a Grammy Award contest for the best singer or entertainer. It’s about who has the best policies that impact our lives,” Sanders said. “I’m going to do everything I can to see that Biden gets reelected.” - https://apnews.com/article/biden-debate-democrats-trump-trapped-c10c872f8436966096b45b6089adee8b
Considering Mitch McConnell blocked Obama's last supreme court nomination for over a year until Trump was in office, changed senate rules to help nominate Gorsuch, and fast-tracked ACB at the end of Trump's term, anyone blaming the DNC for the current state of the supreme court is being completely disingenuous.
Protest no voting is the reason why Hillary isn't finishing up her second term, with a solid 8 years of climate action, still having Roe, likely much better budget, likely hundreds of thousands of lives saved from covid, not facing project 2025, and who knows what else. Thanks protest no voters.
Hillary is the reason there were protest votes and general voter apathy.
She instructed her media cronies to promote Trump as the front runner, and also ran a rigged primary that stonewalled all attempts for competition to get a word in edgewise.
She knew how much of a threat Trump was, and yet she persisted in incompetently throwing what should have been the easiest Democratic win in history, with her fucking meddling.
It's a shame that the only way to destroy the Democratic party is to kill the Republican party first, but alas, business always comes before pleasure, doesn't it.
Hillary lined Trump up as her rival thinking he'd be an easy win, not realizing that she was still Hillary Clinton, the only one who could possibly lose against the least likable candidate in human history.
Hillary was family friends with Henry Kissinger.
Literally enough said.
Yeah no shit people no vote protested, that was my whole point. And how did that work out? Not very well huh. Thanks no vote protesters!
You want to be effective in moving things left? You do that by voting for the Dems. Every time they lose, they go to the center to find voters.
More than that. Protest voting only works if you're vote is important to them. If you aren't a representative part of a large group of reliable voters or donors. THEY DON'T REALLY CARE ABOUT YOUR VOTE. If courting you would help their margin of victory. But might alienate other more reliable voters or donors. THEY DON'T REALLY CARE ABOUT YOUR VOTE. If they don't really care about your vote. Then they don't really care about your protest. Then your protest is pointless and counterproductive.
As cruel and heartless as it sounds. Resources and bandwidth are always limited. They have to put their attention and efforts where they think they will get the best payout. Trying to please a broad swath of fickle unreliable left-leaning voters generally falls outside of the good uses of those limited resources.
Literally our passive leftist protest voting is meaningless to them. Even if they lose. Meaningless to them. They will spend millions of dollars analyzing trying to figure out why otherwise reliable group didn't vote for them. If they hear that they didn't get leftist vote, they won't bat an eye.
If we want their attention. If we want their concern. We need to ingratiate ourselves. And make ourselves indisposable to them. We need some primary them. We need to replace them with ourselves. Then they will pay attention. Then they will care. Before we do any of that though. Protest voting and putting the car before the horse and completely useless.
I agree and say it all the time: When Dems lose, they go to the center to find voters. They are the voters that actually show up.
amen
Sanders supporters, Hilary supporters, Obama supporters, like how many hoops do you have to jump through to divvy things up? I'm not even going to try to figure that out. This is really simple, I'm saying the left voters need to show up. How many are there? Who knows, because they never show up.
Hilary promised free ice cream and puppies for everyone. Protest no voters are the reason why I'm not enjoying a cone with my puppy new best friend right now.
And your 4th message to me is not worth trying to sort out.
I love how the narrative focuses on 2016 and not 2020, where he lost all on his own.
Dude had a heart attack in 2020, that takes it out of you.
Nah, he lost because the people that are still posting this shit didn't spend half the energy turning put to vote in the primaries that they do complaining about everyone who did.
Anyone else remember how "low information voters" kept coming up whenever the significantly black state primaries swung for Clinton or Biden?
Are you forgetting all the primaries Sanders won early? Are you intentionally ignoring the orchestrated dropouts and back room deals that allowed the centrist wing of the party to coalesce behind Biden at the exact moment he needed them to? You must be because all you're talking about here is the great liberal paradise of South Carolina. How many EC votes did Biden win for taking SC? Oh yeah, zero because it's a red state that doesn't vote for Democrats in the general election but for some reason people like you love to point at it and pretend that a black Democrat in the South is the primary target of a DNC Presidential campaign.
An establishment cheerleader accusing the left of being condescending. That's hilarious.
It's good Lemmy is keeping me up to date on Russia's stance on US politics.
Apparently Putin is getting all of his minions to encourage voter apathy.
While he got somewhere around 50% support among democrats that vote in primaries while running against Hilary Clinton, I don't think it's a given he could get centrists that vote in the general to vote for him.
I know it makes for a better narrative that Bernie could've been President, but that's all it is, a narrative.
But that's what Russian propaganda always is, isn't it? Just narratives, no actual facts.
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I love how the same people who bitch about swapping out Bernie Sanders for being too old are the same ones bitching about not swapping out Joe Biden.
Look. Figure out his age and get the Harris/Ocasio-Cortez government in after the election when the latter half can assume the VP spot for the first of her 4 terms. No one has any illusions about who's gonna be in power after this is done, which is why the fat, old, rich, lazy, white, men are whipping their moron followers into a frenzy to prevent this regime change.
Classic victim blaming.
The only reason we are here is because of Republican actions not Dem inactions.
That's literally not how reality works, OP.
Shame.
You haven't contended with reality. It wasn't dem inactions, it was DNC actions. I made a top level comment if you'd like evidence of that claim.
Sanders polled better in swing states. States like Michigan and Winsconsin would have been a significantly closer battleground had they chosen the more charismatic person over the system choice.
The DNC picked the choice their core base wanted most, but not the choice the swing states would have voted more likely for. It isn't a game of who you want to win at times, its a game of who would have had a better chance.
They finally admit Clinton blew Sanders out of the water in the popular vote but only when they think it gives them an excuse to talk down at the stupid proles who didn't know what was good for them.
You're basically complaining that Trump got a bullshit EC win but Sanders didn't.
First the fix is in because there weren't primaries and now it's in because the DNC listened to it too much.
Anything to worship at the altar of St. Bernard, who told you shitbags to support the winner both times.
Uh... What? The DNC has always been complicit in the modern state of American politics.
You think the DNC is a victim?
Classic victim blaming.
Yes, that's what this @jimmydoreisalefty guy does. He says he "criticizes the left from the left" but on a closer look, that's all he does. Curious.
If democrats could have managed to find a likable candidate in 2016 things would be different. How could you find someone more likable than Hillary?
The amount of disinformation funneled into the US social media platforms was also on a whole different level than ever seen before. Facebook itself spread enough disinformation and propaganda that it single-handedly helped disenfranchise a large number of people. It's really what helped create Trumps cult, and divided everyone else.
Yeah they should have checked likeability, maybe by holding a vote on it that everyone who wanted a say would participate in and say who they liked the most!
Surely that nasty wasty clinton wouldn't have won in a vote head to head with the living saint Bernie!
Snowden is a Kremlin asset.
Imagine cross posting the guy who's a known Kremlin stooge, even if it's only because they'd kill him if he wasn't.
It's one Kremlin stooge cross posting another, so it makes sense
You all could have voted in the Primary Elections in 2016 and 2020, but it seems like none of you do. All you do is complain about the result after almost nobody votes in the goddamn primaries.
Don't think this is the place for that comment.
I don't think this is the place for your comment.
And here I thought it was the Democrats who forgot the Midwest was still purple and planned the victory parade the minute it became clear Trump would be the Republican nominee.
Keep flapping your gums Russian troll.
Voters are the reason Bernie didn't get the nomination
That is not how the Democratic Party works.
The primary vote is an opinion poll.
The DNC just picks a candidate they want.
Sure it is
Acknowledged. We circled the wagons around the wrong candidate twice in a row. Hillary Clinton was a well qualified candidate with likeability issues. Biden is a long time politician with equally good if not better qualifications than Clinton, he's just old. Bernie is older. Bernie aligns a hell of a lot closer to my beliefs than the other candidates out there. Bernie isn't in this race and has endorsed Biden, he's a wise man and usually is right on most topics. I'm going with Bernie on this one, vote Biden and start building the next generation of leaders, maybe that next leader is you.
Both Hillary and Biden are closer to the country as a whole and more likely to pull moderates, who you need to win if you want to actually win a national election.
The internet has allowed leftists to delude themselves into thinking the only people that need to be appealed to is them.
They fundamentally do not understand the kinds of people that make up this country. I'd love if we were a left leaning population. We aren't. Continually lying to ourselves about why Bernie didn't win is a type of paralyzing ignorance that only looks more and more absurd as the years go on.
Do a poll asking Americans their political alignment and the balance will be center right. Poll them again on specific issues and the average end up well to the left of the Democratic party. For a prime example, look at how all the abortion referendums have turned out in red states.
If you poll Americans on issues and not on politicians, the average American is politically closer to Bernie than to Biden. Bernie is more centrist than Biden is.
CNN and mainstream media has deluded liberals into believing Hillary is actually a viable candidate.
It's messianic thinking for people who think they're smarter than most Christians.
He'd be disappointed that, despite all his educational efforts, you still fucking refuse to think for yourself.
That's not a true quote.
Is that what we call white supremacism these days? A "likeability issue?"
Hilary Clinton is white lmfao what are you talking about?
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