U.S. likely to enact a law soon that could ban TikTok nationwide, President Joe Biden vowed to sign it into law
U.S. likely to enact a law soon that could ban TikTok nationwide
I'm not a ban fan but social media like that is psychological cancer that is definitely harming the young and old mentally.
Kids growing up these days have the burden of the disgusting need for social media self-promotion. They are conditioned that attention and Likes are the most valuable social currency, and waste so much of their valuable youth pursuing that hollow bullshit.
I'm keeping my kids off social media for as long as I can so they can experience growing up without Cloud-automated peer pressure.
Look what it did to boomers. Legit. Ban all that shit. Geocities for the win.
Lead exposure was probably a big part of that as well to be fair.
This will do nothing about that. If TikTok is banned, kids will just move to something else. You would have to ban all social media. Good luck with that.
You can't ban peer pressure. That's like trying to stop the flow of water.
Surely engineers have devised ways to reduce pier pressure caused by the flow of water.
They said this about TV. And game consoles. And computers. And every social media website. They said this about movies when they first came out too.
Social media is a reality of the world. This ban isn't getting rid of that, just banning one specific platform. Why is Intagram Reels acceptable but Tik Tok isn't? Because ones is owned by a Chinese company and the other isn't. That's all this ban is about. Literally nothing else.
They said it about stories that were written down instead of memorized and told our loud.
Yeah, I'm almost 100% sure the "tiktok is damaging kid's brains" is the millennial equivalent of boomers "videogames and TV are damaging kid's brains".
I'm a millennia by the way, and we are starting to sound a bit afraid of technologies.
This is all true which is why it's obvious that this ban has nothing to do with any of this considering they allow this behavior to continue just as long as these companies are also under their influence.
I'm a new parent trying to navigate all this myself.
Most research I've been able to find suggests that social media doesn't cause problems, but rather kids with problems tend to spend too much time on social media. As in there's no causal link between social media and whatever social problems.
I guess when my kids get to that age the best I'll be able to do will be to try to keep them engaged with the physical world however I can.
How about a digital bill of rights instead of playing ineffective whackamole?
Harm the stock portfolios of US billionaires? You sound like someone who hates receiving RVs and fishing trips.
I do, fishing sucks
Just get drunk on a boat without the act, cowards
Because the US can control the topics shared in the other platforms, but since tiktok is owned by a chinese parent company, they can't
Also, tiktok was originally told they had to sell to a us based owner to avoid the ban (see hostile takeover)
This ban has nothing to do with privacy and Chinese manipulation, and everything about control and profits.
Hell, Besos and The Zuckster are the two main forces pushing for this ban.
Corporate lobbying doesn't want digital rights for people, more work for them.
Good.
Let's go further. Any company using an algorithm to profit off people's engagement has to publish the code.
They are making money off a literal public good. EVERYTHING they produce, including the profits, is public property.
Yeah, tiktok is a Chinese data mine so... they don't want it to go away, they vwanna control it.
Who downvoted this shit? This is 100% the case. The problem isn't any of the negative effects of social media. The problem is that the US government doesn't get to store and sort through all the data on TikTok like they do with US social media companies. They don't give a shit about its effect on Americans. They just want the ability to use it against Americans like all the rest.
If I have it correct, the law wouldn’t immediately ban TikTok but would require it to actually be sold to a real US company within a certain amount of days otherwise it’d get banned. The CCP obviously doesn’t want that. So if this passes, TikTok isn’t removed immediately.
Probably what happens is the CCP, I mean Bytedance, sells it to a US company then puts their people there to still siphon data.
The law is to force any company that isn't US owned that the US doesn't like to hand over ownership. Regardless of your thoughts on TikTok/ByteDance/China in general, this is not a law one should praise. It's incredibly dangerous and is one more step toward the US becoming a full-fledged fascist state.
What exactly is fascist about it? Being able to ban companies from hostile nations seems like a legitimate tool that frankly is concerning that we didn't have before. Russia and China are using massive propaganda farms and the US has been paying the price of that for too long. We are moving into a hostile multi-polar world and I wouldn't be surprised if the Internet isn't segregated sooner or later if hostilities start
It's already run by a Singaporean group. Transferring it to the US is just a chance for our Social Media conglomerates to part it out and destroy competition.
60% of Bytedance is owned by institutional investors. It's a private company. The CCP doesn't own the company. 3 of the 5 board members are American. Don't spread made up bullshit. If there's any reason not to sell the company to a US company is because only 150 million Americans are tiktok users on an app with over a billion monthly active users globally. Not to mention that the US companies are gonna lowball the shit out of their offers because they think Bytedance is gonna be begging to sell. Also, there's a chance that if the US bans tiktok, then maybe they could get access to China, which tiktok is not currently available in.
99.99999%
Cool, do Twitter next. Wait, ban Elon..into the sun.
Twitter gives US agencies data, they are cool bro
Glad to see Dems are taking the threat of Trump getting into power serious by focusing on issues that their base support:
An app that they already made an account for Biden on too lol
Gotta do what big corporations want him to do
Nevermind the bill has bipartisan support! Republicans must have ZERO to do with this bill! 🙄
Get serious or get out.
Nevermind the bill has bipartisan support!
In general, "bipartisan" just means the oligarchs are teaming up to fuck over the people.
The good "bipartisan" bills are the ones that the Republicans and Democrats come together in solidarity to vote down.
Bringing up that it had bipartisan support is completely irrelevant.
The headlines are going to be “Biden signs bill banning Tick Tok”. When his support of a horrible genocide is already depressing how much non republicans want to vote for him going out and doing this is just adding more reasons.
Maybe you and him need to get actually serious and focus on things people actually care about.
He is only campaigning on “I’m not trump” like literally if you got to his website and click on “Joes Vision” you get taken to a 404 page. There’s nothing talking about where he stands on issues or what he offers.
Okay and? How is helping the GOP do this going to win support on the left?
Goddam this is dumb as shit.
House Speaker Johnson plans to package TikTok legislation with critical aid for Ukraine, Israel and Taiwan, and send it to the Senate. President Joe Biden vowed to sign it into law.
So it's a rider with some important and time sensitive other things that need to pass. Headline is totally (and probably intentionally) misleading.
He could veto it, but it would cause actual harm because those funding bills would have to go back to Congress delaying much needed aid to Ukraine and Taiwan.
Biden has already indicated he in on-board with the TikTok ban so even if it wasn't bundled in he would sign it. https://apnews.com/article/biden-tiktok-ban-house-china-aaa884d8c974f0a35856af5ee6aa4e99
Biden has come out in favor of this bill already, the hold up is in the senate.
Even if it passes, I would expect TikTok to immediately sue and gain a temporary stay on enforcement. How it shakes out in court is not my area of expertise.
Please help a fellow non-US citizen understand. How can this be a bipartisan agreement and, what’s its difference to the “video games cause violence” bit? I dislike TikTok as well (and I will never use it) but I think banning it nationwide is taking it too far.
How can this be a bipartisan agreement
Both sides dislike other countries having the spy power. Or anything, really. US got serious overcompensation issues with being the biggest and baddest at everything.
What’s its difference to the “video games cause violence” bit
China likely actually is spying and TikTok probably does actually do some harm, unlike video games and violence. Definetelt nowhere near justification for this shit though.
Ahhh you just triggered memories of Tipper Gore.
The US has two parties, one which is very nationalistic and loves cruelty, and one that is very bureaucratic and loves controlling information. This creates a bureaucratic structure which increases control over citizen info, in a way that presumably hurts another country and stifles progressive youth.
Well the video games thing was people thinking games caused violence. This is people thinking the CCP has access to TikTok's data. The problem is all of our social media apps, and cars, and smart devices are selling data to China. So we aren't plugging a hole. We're just forcing a "fire sale" where a rich American can buy TikTok for cheap.
This isn't a consumer protection thing; it's a national security thing.
Unfortunately, they're not banning all social media because they're vectors for destroying privacy and manipulating consumers; they're banning only the Chinese one because it's a vector for Chinese spying and propaganda. They want only American-owned companies to be in a position to manipulate Americans, and they want that manipulation to continue.
The issue is not with the applications psychological effects on children (although i'm sure politicians bring that point up in passing to bolster their argument). The basis for the removal of the application is that it is spyware with rootkit capabilities.
What else is in this bill? This will probably make VPNs very popular.
Oh thank God. Tik tok was a mistake. Please for the love of god go after facebook next. Kill the misinformation peddlers one by fucking one
I found this an interesting perspective: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xEDGZlG_41k
Apparently the number one reason for the bann is that, 80% of users are pro Palestine and they cannot have the youth take political stances that go against their genocide.
– Government: Here’s a law to protect our citizens from a foreign government spying on them.
– Gen Z: Noooooooooooooo!!!!!!
Ah but that foreign government is cool and good! Gen Z knows that because the propoganda platform they've become addicted to tells them that China is cool and good, so clearly the U.S. is bad and being mean to the Chinese.
I have literally never seen a single pro CCP tik tok. Been using it for several years daily. Not that they don't exist, but if you're not looking for them it certainly does not direct you to them.
Also large chunks of this one, too. Theyre really trying to make this seem like its about stripping ur privacy. Like, theres literally another bill right now thats passing thats actually about stripping away ur rights to digital privacy, this one in particular has nothing to do with that. This one truly is, adversarial govts shouldnt get to spy on our citizens.
Since when does Congress ban websites or dictate what apps people can have on their devices? Regardless of how you feel about this particular company, I feel like no one is talking about the internet-killing precedent that's being set here, and that should be concerning.
To be fair they didn't actually name TikTok. That would be clearly Unconstitutional. Instead they made a bill that will only apply to one company. So unconstitutional but most people won't notice.
And even better Meta, Alphabet, Apple, and GM are all busy selling China your information as fast as they can anyways.
It's being used as an infiltration device by the Chinese government. Not that I agree butvits not just a website. Same as Twitter and Facebook bit we have more control over those.
Please prove this.
Only in the sense that the people using them to manipulate us are the same ones making the laws. They're leveraging it for their own ends, not stopping it.
The correct course of action (from the perspective of the American people, in stark contrast to that of the American government/oligarchy) would be to ban TikTok as the threat it is, and also ban Facebook, Twitter and Reddit for the threats they pose as well. The trouble is that it won't, because it is the entity wielding that weapon against the American people and will not voluntarily disarm itself.