I neither know nor care WTF you're yammering about. You used "then" when you should have used "than" though, and I cannot let that go without saying something.
I think it's an acceptable course of action to vote 3rd party if you are in a solid red or solid blue state. However, I think the way you phrased it got people's hackles raised.
"It's alright to vote 3rd party if you're not in a swing state" or something like that. The Overton window shifted away from the idea that there's some moral failing for voting for Biden because of the anti-voting astroturfing that happened recently.
Yeah, it's not a terrible idea. Another idea is to send the message that the Republicans will continue to lose the popular vote by 10+ million votes if they don't start putting forth solutions to the real problems that Americans are concerned about.
I agree. My distant hope is that the republican party will weaken to the point that the left-wing of America will be able to take advantage of the Vaccum left behind. The events talking place in the GOP are remarkably similar to what the whig party did right before they became irrelevant.
I've cleaned up this toxic comment thread and littleblue has got a temp community ban. I had originally left the parent comment for context, but have removed it at OPs request.
I mean, by your logic, wouldnāt that turn every state into a swing state after the election? And does your advice only apply to a small group of people? Because, well, if it applied to everyone with problems with Biden (which is nearly everyone), it wouldnāt track logically.
How would that turn every state into a swing state? š¤£
Do you think I'm going to change the mind of every single person who would vote for Biden? Despite how almost every single person that sees this idea reacts extremely negatively. Getting a viable third party is a long-term strategy. It's an important, long-term strategy. But it's not going to happen this election lol. What I'm hoping for this election is a third party candidate gets enough votes that their third party becomes more mainstream and that over time we will have better options.
When youāre aligning yourself with pro-fascistsāor at least have the exact same tactics (minus an exception), you cannot be on the right side of history.
Iāve been wrestling with this for my whole life. I was a young anarchist, Iāve been a third party voter most of that time. Now Iām an adult anarchist. Andā¦I just canāt bring myself to do exactly what pro-fascists are pushing for people just like me to do.
We all get it. The system is broken. Two party systems are doomed to be a road to fascism. We are reaching the end of that road. None of us can stomach whatās happening in Gaza. But gambling with an even more pro-genocide candidate winning justā¦canāt be tolerated. It doesnāt make emotional sense. Because we canāt stomach supporting someone who is participating in genocide. It hurts. But itās kind of on us to bear the brunt of that conundrum because we are fighting bald-faced fascism. Getting to hold your head up high because you didnāt support the guy aiding in a genocide is a pretty small victory for gambling with the lives of Palestinian people. Trump wants to āfinishā the situation in Gaza. And not in a good way.
Itās a shitty situation for us to have to negotiate. But weāre not the ones gambling with our own lives. Weāre gambling with the lives of trans people, women who need abortions, those living in poverty, the environmentā¦just so we can āsend a measage?ā
The system is arranged to keep third parties from being viable. Voting for them just doesnāt make sense, because there is no changing that without changing the system. Especially in this election. Because we are staring down the barrel of fascism, for one, and secondly, there isnāt enough support for the idea to really have the impact you want. It can only go bad. Waiting until the day of the election to send that message or put some plan to change things in place is so incredibly foolish when you consider all youāre gambling with. You want to change things? Put in the groundwork, year in, year out.
All youāre doing is throwing extra danger into the pot and supporting the people who are pushing your same messaging in order to see trump win. Justā¦how can you justify it?
Spelling/grammar fixations are a way to be biased against people with less education, less experience with English... it's obnoxious and rudely dismissive.
Honestly kind of feel like crying seeing the comment section. I like the articles on Lemmy, but the attitude of the commenters is so mean. I don't know how anyone decides that the best thing to do is to belittle someone for a typo, and how it's so upvoted. That's not praxis, it's elitist and bullying someone when you don't know if they have a disability, less access to education than you, maybe they're just tired.
Thanks you strangers āŗļø. I didn't have a good education growing up. I actually grew up in a cult. I managed to leave on my own when I was 16. Since I've gotten myself a degree but I've never really gotten spelling and grammar completely figured out. There are a lot of things I honestly just missed out on basic education wise.
I always assume the people focus on that have no way of reasonably disagreeing with me. I guess they just get mad they're wrong š¤·. Just a bunch of classist elitist assholes who couldn't think their way out of a paper bag.
I'm happy to discuss and already biased into thinking you're a nice person because you didn't start off by being rude to me.š
I would prefer if you told me what you think directly without leading questions. Is that possible?
I also want to clarify, I know no third party candidate has a chance to win this election. But I believe the only nonviolent path we really have to get out of this two-party system is to elect 3rd party leaders. That is a long term strategy that will take many elections but the only way to get that ball rolling is to slowly build up the membership and votes for third party candidates. The safest way to do that is to encourage people in non-swing states to start voting for them.