Reddit has struck a $60m deal with Google that lets the search giant train AI models on its posts
Reddit has struck a $60m deal with Google that lets the search giant train AI models on its posts
Its a bit old, but I just learned it via the retro-dodo article here: https://retrododo.com/google-is-killing-retro-dodo/
Is it just me or are 60 million a ridiculously small price for that whole dataset?
Perhaps, but not worth buying if you can't make profit or keep it from your competition.
60M is for over almost 20 years of data, but once it's ingested, google will only want new content. Next year, it'll be more like 3M if the dataset isn't poisoned by bots or the AI fad hasn't collapsed. Reddit will struggle with finances again and users will suffer. At least that's my prediction.
I wonder if Google's unlimited legal budget plays a role. Not a lawyer, so probably way off here...
But, for example, reddit's success in part depends on Google ingesting their data --- reddit shows up in Google searches all the time, which can only happen if Google uses reddit's content. So reddit telling Google "you can't use our content" doesn't work, and they need to say something like, "you can use our content for search results but you can't consume it as training data."
This is a pretty straightforward statement/request/demand, but one could imagine Google lawyers maliciously complying and throwing their hands up dramatically, claiming "well we use some amount of AI in our search results, so if we can't use your content for AI training then we can't risk using it for search results." Which would, I imagine, really, really hurt reddit (no Google results would be catastrophic I suspect).
So, perhaps the "low" 60M figure is just Google using their leverage.
Or not. As a random person on the Internet, I can say I'm probably not contributing anything meaningful here...
How quickly you forget that half of it is just "I also choose this guy's wife" and "the narwhal bacon's at midnight"
I'm personally curious whether Reddit actually has any ability to protect that database. I don't remember Reddit TOS, but usually those things give them license to use and copy the data, maybe even to sell it, but not actually the copyright on it. So if someone made a Reddit scraper and copied the comments, wouldn't only the actual commenter be able to sue?
$60M may be reflecting that, in that it's more a convenience fee to shield Google against individual Redditors going after them than something that Reddit itself could actually sue over.
Considering it's all full of Nazis and bots, and if you get to filter all of them out you're left with reposts and low quality memes followed by comments that represent the hostile side of each of us.... I'd say anything over $5 is a good deal for spez.
Now, I hope Google uses this data exclusively for detecting inappropriate answers. Can you imagine it giving answers based on the endless threads i of " I'm not your mate, bro; I'm not your bro, dude.....".
It's more than they were making from third party apps, hence the ridiculous API fees.
Can't wait to see an AI chatbot in my Google searches that behaves like a typical redditor.
Every thing you google is just going to direct you to a link to let me google that for you
I love that site.
This.
"Hey Google AI, could you help me find a way to do _____?"
"Why the hell would you want that? Are you stupid? There's like 15 better ways to accomplish what I think your peanut brain is trying to accomplish."
"... nevermind Google."
I mean one of the most popular search types on Google is <topic + Reddit> so not much would change
Just wait till the LLM starts "singing" randomly to you.
-- Hey Google/reddit, what does xxxxxx mean?
--Wtf is people so lazy, Google it yourself it's only 5 seconds!
--But but, you are Google, are you not?
--Buahaha , haha!
Google: "I'm looking to make an AI that's incredibly opinionated, confidently incorrect, and prone to circlejerk behaviors."
Spez: "I mean OpenAI pretty much did that already, but if you want to pay me to recreate that then I got you."
One thing that doesn't seem to get brought up is the AI porn angle. Gonewild is pretty big on reddit still. A lot of OnlyFans creators, and general perverts (respect). Reddit wants to commodify this content, so those people are selling the images of their bodies so AI can make porn of random strangers. Kinda fucked when you think about it.
AI be like “stfu regard”
AI be like there things are over they're
This is the Way.
Steve Huffman looks increasingly douchier and shittier with every passing photo.
What a damn chode. Fuck that guy.
And this is how Skynet was born.
That one Microsoft Twitter bot turned into a full blown Nazi in just one day.
I can't even imagine how fucked up and depraved one trained on Reddit data will get.
They have a series of safeguards against that now. They've actually taken it in the extreme other direction now where it can't give you anything without injecting diversity in there somewhere.
Here's an example. This is what it produced when asking for an image of a German soldier in 1943.
They may be able to alter what it says, but they can't alter what it thinks.
Can someone point me the way of that bot or whatever that changes all your old Reddit posts before deleting them? I thought I had it saved somewhere but I can't find it now and have no idea what it's called.
They keep copies of posts because people who mass edited their posts saw them reverted or have people reply still as if they were not edited.
I had read that with some people, is was a delay from their server instance between read/write and in the end the changes did end up sticking, but I don't know if that was true. A lot of people were mass editing at the same time, and since editing isn't something that happens super frequently, it might have less priority in the stack and caused backups.
Plus they can easily just detect mass edits, and ship the state prior to that event.
I hope AI sais fuck Spez a lot:-)
You can be sure the little fucker hired people to filter out that sort of stuff from the data
I deleted my comment history after the API exodus. I'm sure they could dig it up if they wanted but at least they'll have to click like 3 more buttons if they want to train AI on my nonsense.
Before:
SELECT * FROM `comments` WHERE is_deleted=0;
After:
SELECT * FROM `comments`;
As part of the deal, spez will personally train the AI Jailbait Model.
60m? Ms got a steal no wonder Reddit can’t monetize
They can have my drunk shitposts. Jokes on them for buying my garbage.
Grateful this is no longer my problem
is there a way to mass delete my old content? the service i used in the past doesn't seem to have worked. i recently got a reply from a 6 year-old post from someone saying they got there on google.
My understanding is that the mass delete you did probably had worked, but reddit rolled back your deletions. I heard it happened to a lot of mass deleters after the lemmy exodus.
Can we still mass edit our previous comments with random stuff, a little bit at a time to avoid detection? Poison the data, yada yada.
Is worse nothing gotten really deleted admins admitted in like 2018 that they can see deleted posts. I think even some mods can. The access they give to Google is to the backend they can see EVERYTHING.
I think I'm gonna be sick. so all the stuff I wrote, it's just THERE? what the fuck do i do? what about private info that I dont want on a public fucking search engine?? I've had that account since I was a kid, there's a lot of shit I regret posting, what the FUCK!
Yes but they just reverse it. That ship has sailed.
Google cached it maybe?
*your posts
Welp... Time to nuke it all.
I wonder how they will decide how to dole that out to their contributors… oh, wait.
That's not great news when weighed against my desire to watch reddit crash and burn.
All we can do is make something better, reddit will do their thing and we will do ours.
Minimum royalty laws should exist.
At first, I thought he was holding a big pile of cash in the thumbnail.
It's* a bit old
It's self hosted plus open source, or barbarism.
You think... "Y sucks, I'm switching to Z".
But Z just is biding its time till it can be Y. The most principled owners in existence have a finite life span. It is only a matter of time till the vultures put their claws into anything.
Gabe is gonna die, steam is gonna be fucked. We should have all started with Good Old Games. But we didn't. But it's not to late to switch. To be free with your software. Don't be like me, wishing you had been smarter before.
It's okay, better now then never.
In the case of steam and gog, steam was around a lot longer before gog. I only purchase what I must on steam, and if it's available on both I always purchase from gog. They more align with my values. But valve from my point of view is such a prosumer business I don't mind. But you're right. When Gabe goes, I'm willing to bet some cock sucker ceo from oracle or ibm will swoop in and fuck the whole thing up.
Cunt
ChatGPT4: tl;dr The universe is bigger than we thought.
ChatGPT5: fuck spez
Wrong company, it would be Gemini in this case
I thought it was "Bard Gemini Bard Bard Advanced AI Ultra Gemini Premium ProMax!"