Antisocial construction

Why is something like a king "natural"?

It's called the animal kingdom not the animal commune! Checkmate anarchists!
You sound like someone who doesn't believe in divine right.
Because the king had the resources to pay to have those who said otherwise killed.

True conservatives will embrace the Amish lifestyle and get the fuck off the internet.

"True conservatives" aren't people who don't want change; that's just a lie they tell to make their ideology seem less unhinged. True conservatives are, and always have been, people who crave hierarchy and autocratic rule.
In other words, "true conservatives" have absolutely no problems with change or new technology, as long as it's used to enforce their privilege rather than elevate the people below them.
- This. Its about preserving power structures and that's it, they deserve power and others don't, that's what they believe. So many times you see people try to gotcha conservatives by pointing out how their ideology is inconsistent when in reality its very consistent just not in the way they advertise it as.
True conservatives would never be caught with the modern clothes and tools of the Amish. The real kool kids klub lives Buck naked in caves and huts made of broken sticks.

See also: single-family zoning. "Everybody wants" to live in detached houses, yet they need the law to prohibit property owners from building multifamily...

nimbys: nobody wants multifamily homes
home developers: i got a bunch of people who would pay me $ to build cheap multi family ho-
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- I want to build multi family homes is very different than I want to live in multi families homes.
I get the meme and your response, but you could easily flip this one on its side: "Everybody wants clean air to breathe, yet they need laws to prohibit pollution"
- That's an issue of externalities, which doesn't really apply to my housing argument.

The hubris one must have to believe they alone have interpreted nature and understood it's will and order.

Then, to enforce it.

Nature doesn't give 2 shits about us. It's about rules. The rules that enable them and disable us.

I think of the same thing when people talk about "life isn't fair" or "the world" generally or whatever. Like sure we don't live in a just universe (whatever the fuck that'd look like) but it's not life causing a lot of the problems that people respond to with these platitudes, it's fucking people.... And the people responsible are sometimes the same ones dropping the platitudes.

It'll look kinda like a bunch of species that evolved thriving in cooperation rather than competition or something. I unno, I am no galactic citizen
I just posted a video about these aphorisms in !breadtube https://lemmy.world/post/13440713

Show me the culture that prohibits women from photosynthisizing or men from running faster than light

The right wing and hierarchy, like pb&j. They love rules and a king, not so much for them but, more for other people. They demand you be controlled.

The "natural order" is limitted to communities of about ~~100~~150 individuals. It isn't suitable to organize whole countries.

Also, a groups banding together to collectively overthrow a stronger opponent is natural. There's a rule of never getting between a mother and her baby with many animals for a reason, even though most of us could probably take that baby.
There's personal benefit to dealing with those who abuse their powers (physical, social, or technological), even if those powers aren't being directed at you.
genuinely curious where you find that 100 individuals number? or how that applies if you are willing to share :)
- They might be talking about the Monkeysphere - More professionally known as Dunbar’s Number
  Basically, there’s a finite number of people our brains evolved to be able to consider as part of ‘our group’, and once you go beyond that number you tend to run into issues ‘humanizing’ those people and seeing them as complex personalities.
- Maybe Dunbar’s Number.
  Proponents assert that numbers larger than this generally require more restrictive rules, laws, and enforced norms to maintain a stable, cohesive group. It has been proposed to lie between 100 and 250, with a commonly used value of 150.

Humans are natural, so really anything we do is the natural order.

and, ironically, humans are specifically evolved to be cooperative to a fault. It's the entire reason we're so successful and there's even a pretty credible theory that we managed to domesticate ourselves.
if you really want to follow the natural order as a human, you should be an anarchist hippie.

What happened to man vs. nature? Why is it always man vs. man these days? Natural order is fucking horrible. It's a literal world of terror, suffering and death.

These days?
We live in the most peaceful time in human history. We just also live in the most informationally accessable time, so you get a constant stream about new violence and inhumanity happening hundreds or thousands of miles from you.
Join an intentional community and trade your smartphone in for a dumb phone. You'll have some disagreements with people, and once in a while there may be a fight with violence, but by and large this is a peaceful time. You won't have the state threatening violence against you for keeping to yourselves. You won't be taken over by a competing state unless you already lived in an unstable region of the globe.
By and large things are great. The corporatized internet has done a number on the minds of the global population, keeping everyone scared, where now someone letting their 10 year old walk to school in a decent neighborhood is reason enough for multiple calls to the police. Shooting someone for ringing their doorbell. Having family-breaking arguments over people's private lives.
Everyone's afraid and there's largely nothing to fear. Far less than a couple decades ago, yet we're far more terrified of everything, we're the least connected in the ways that matter and the most connected in the ways that ultimately don't matter at all. On the internet, toxicity has become the rule, not the exception. That carries over to real-world interactions.

something something functionalism.

Fun fact, under a strictly functionalist interpretation of the system suicide is a perfectly valid and reasonable alternative to integrating into society. If you like functionalism, you should probably sit down and give that a think over.

Suicide booths here we come!
- ah, great idea. We should make it an art project.

Huh? The whole thing is that the natural order enforces itself, so if you don't respect it you will suffer from that.

me suffering the consequences of life saving antibiotics: 😱😱😱😱 (the natural order is to die of a bacterial infection)
- It is certainly hard to swallow as an individual, but consistently rejecting natural selection through technological intervention does eventually create significantly greater crisis. It's a very difficult problem with modern medicine, where we can always keep more people alive, but the resources required to do so increase exponentially without limit. Death is ultimately one way that the natural world self regulates when any particular species outgrows it's environment.
What do you mean by natural order?
- In the broadest sense possible, the laws of physics and the world that is formed as a result.
Natural order lead to the the human developing tools and the brains to question things. Oops.
The natural order is me smashing your skull in and taking your shit.