Now i'm definitely cheering for Rulestein
Now i'm definitely cheering for Rulestein
alt text: A "xit" from user @ChrpngBrd in which he responds to another "xit" from @BlueBoxDave that says "If Israel falls then America falls. It's that simple." @ChrpngBrd's response is a thumbs up emoji, and two stills from The Simpsons S02E19 "Lisa's Substitute." In which, the first image is Martin Prince putting up a poster saying "A vote for Bart is a vote for Anarchy!" and the second image is Bart Simpson putting up a poster that says "A vote for Bart is a vote for Anarchy!"
Deranged logic, Israel is not a strategic keystone to the survival of America.
Like, even if one has drunk the Flavoraid enough to think that what Israel is doing is ok and that it’s not an apartheid state that needs the South Africa treatment; in what fucking reality is Israel not eminently replaceable in the role it plays in US foreign policy? if anything, it is a net negative, a dead weight dragging down US relations with the rest of the region.
It routinely takes unilateral action to throw gas on the metaphorical fires of the region. Like, allies have their own goals and ambitions that diverge sometimes, but you’d expect them to converge occasionally and not actively attempt kneecap each others diplomacy.
I appreciate that you used the correct brand of drink mix rather than continuing the Kool-aid slander.
And they only used that because it was cheaper. The entire massacre was carried out with a total of about $16 worth of ingredients.
Israel isn't easily replaceable in US foreign policy for the Middle East. I.e. the US uses Israel as a base of operations in the area. But the US definitely doesn't need Israel for it's survival or even to exert influence on the Middle East: it just makes it easier.
With declining importance of oil, the US has less reason to give a shit about the Middle East. We're a ways off from that point, but it's coming.
If you think the Middle East is fucked up now, just wait until there's a power vacuum from nobody caring about oil anymore.
How in the hell does anyone think that America's safety is dependent on Israel?
It's called propaganda.
The US doesn't support Israel for our safety. We do because historically being anti-Israel alienated the following groups.
- Evangelical votes in the US
- Jewish voters in the US
- A strong Pro-Israel lobby, who would give a LOT of money, and therefore a lot of votes, to opponents of an anti-Israel candidate.
The historical context is changing rapidly, though.
These days, Jewish voters are more likely to support safety for Palestinians than the ongoing genocide. By polls, they don't like Netanyahu and, while most think US support of Israel is "about right", more US Jews would prefer decreasing US involvement than increasing it, so the pendulum is swinging away. So, even among Jews, it's not clear that the US should be involved.
And AIPAC is just one among many lobbies. If you ask a random Republican what we should do with Israel, "nuke it to glass" is likely to be the answer, so they can only really influence Democrats and they still have to promise more money than the opposition lobbies do.
Evangelicals only really started voting in the 80s. Their support of Israel is only significant recently.
There was a cold war argument that the US needed Israel and the Saudis to counteract the more Russia-aligned Egypt and Iran. We have guns here because they have guns over there.
Now its mostly because oil, which will be important for a lot of products for a long time to come, but not for the one thing that drives American policy in the region: the price at the gas pump.
Oh, and then there's the Christian Zionists who want to kick off the Rapture. That group is vestigial, diseased, and needs to be cut right out.
Maybe it was more of a threat than a statement about dependency.
whenever someone says “it’s that simple”, it’s not.
If Israel falls then America falls. It’s that simple
the dude can't even use a comma, what the fuck?
Two words: Power vacuum.
Once the US is gone, its place in the world will be filled in with China, Russia, India, etc., none of are any better (if not outright worse) than the current status quo.
power vacuums are a myth used to sell weapons to the pentagon.
what about eu? Granny Europe still rocks, do not underestimate her.
none of are any better (if not outright worse) than the current status quo.
Please tell me what good US does at all in this position?
I really hate the us but you just have to accept that china being the largest world power would be even worse.
Don't blame me: I voted for Kodos.
This was unironically the 2016 presidential election
He knows America is way bigger, right? And was here longer?
Is it a
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