Trump Says He Might 'Encourage' Russia To Attack NATO Allies

If you vote for this man, you are a garbage person.

There's also a 1:1 probability that you're a sociopath, mentally unstable, brainwashed, legitimately stupid, or willfully ignorant.
- Why not all 5?
- No. You're underestimating the legitimate ignorance of the electorate. Give this comment a read.
  https://old.lemmy.world/comment/7228449
- Or just a plain hateful sadist.
Not to mention a wannabe Russian asset

I just want to never have to hear about this cunt again. Is that why people like him?

I mean, there’s a solution. Feel free to help us all out. I’ll donate to your go fund me defense fund.
- I hear you, but I'm just not sure how spitting into his McDonald's hamberders keeps him from becoming President.
Oh I want to hear about him again.
I want to hear about him dying in prison.
- Yeah, in an ideal world, the next and last thing I would hear about trump is Obituary: Donald (tiny hands) Trump, the worst President in history passed away today after rolling over in his sleep and suffocating on his pillow. He was unable to roll back due to diet and exercise history. His family has not picked up the body due to the willing members being incarcerated.

Real people will die if he becomes POTUS again and yet America minces words about what kind of ideology he represents. He better hope the mob doesn't ever get their hands on him.

Mussolini knows
ugh the leftist in me is salivating at the thought.
I don't know if by "mob" you mean organized crime or dipshit Jan 6 traitors, but either way, he's leading it.

That's arguably treason.

The man organized an insurrection and it was televised. He won’t be held accountable for this either.
- You must be referring to the peaceful tour in which people were bludgeoned, trespassed, and shot in an attempt to stop the certification of a democratic election. Please don't exaggerate!! (:
- So many veterans are rolling in their graves
It's just sparkling conservatism
- Only if it comes from the treasonous region of Russia.
He's running under the banner of the people who did this:
So yeah.
Luckily for him, he's had good luck with treason so far.

Anyone wondering why the rest of the world has begun taking the US less and less seriously and has begun distancing themselves from any decisions we make, you can thank this incompetent orange retard for the ludicrous amount of damage he did to the US's soft power.

Not just did, is still doing too.
True, Conan O'Brien and Sean Baker aren't enough to balance this out.
Oh it goes back way further than him dude.

This literally sounds like a mob guy coming into a store and "suggesting" that you need to pay "protection money" or else something bad may happen...

That's explicitly what it is.

The only time in the history of NATO that article 5 was invoked was on September 12, 2001.

NATO countries sent soldiers to Afghanistan in support of the US. A two decades long war. I'm personally from a NATO country and have two family members that have PTSD because my country honored the agreement and supported the US after it was attacked.

The US has never engaged in a war to support any NATO members. NATO members have engaged in a war to support the US.

Recruitment numbers are down in my country in large part because of how the war in Afghanistan turned out. That was in large part due to the US going on a little side adventure into Iraq. Because of this, even though my country is purchasing equipment from the US defense Industrial complex (which if we're being real, is what the goal is) we don't have enough military personnel to operate that equipment.

So with all that, shitheads in the US complain about my countries "not pulling their weight". We've been sending our people to fight in a US war for two fucking decades because that's what allies do, but then shitheads in the US don't care about that, they only care about how much money is coming from NATO to the US defense industrial complex? It's craven.

And Russia propaganda and election interference is happening in every NATO country. For the same reason that there are many in the US don't think the US should support Ukraine, there's many people in other NATO countries that think the same because of the same Russian propaganda effort. Instead of being hyper-focused on the revenues of Lockheed Martin and Raytheon, maybe think a little more about who the real enemy.

While this is very obvious just putin expressing his control over the us republican party:
The Vietnam War was very much the US trying to speedrun Mama Britain's history of atrocities. But it also has direct links to supporting France's own atrocities and colonialism in the region.
The Falklands War very much was one of the prototypes for the modern conflict in Ukraine. The UK and Argentina went to not-war for Reasons. And nations on both sides didn't want to get involved because "escalation" but sent weapons and other support in the process
While overly reductive and diminishing the agency of the region, basically all the "peacekeeping operations" by the blue hats in Africa boil down to the long lasting impact of colonialism by western european powers. And most (all?) of nato contribute to that. We just tend to not care because they actively limit the scope of operations and nobody really cares if some black people get raped and murdered by the soldiers that are "protecting" them.
And there are a lot more "not support" situations like that. In large part because WW1 taught humanity about the dangers of... actually being in military agreements. WW2 and The Cold War very much demonstrated the need to have those unified fronts but there is still the fear of one flashpoint plunging the entire world into war. Hence "Oh yeah. We are buddies. Uhm... could you NOT declare war because we will totally tell you to go fuck yourself rather than help"
Which is also why actually declaring war is so rare these days. Its not a war. Its a peacekeeping operation or a conflict or whatever. So we'll pressure you to help us commit atrocities but you'll also kind of just be in the area shooting some brown people and not be at war or anything.
And, just to be clear: I think the NATO support of Ukraine is excellent. I actively wish we had done more rather than use it as a way to bleed russia dry by a thousand cuts. But putting "boots on the ground" is how you get an Iraq/Afghanistan where all nations involved are actively wishy-washy on what their actual goals are and are trying to avoid committing out of fear of triggering "a real war"
- Your bullet points are listing military action that were explicitly not NATO missions.
  The Vietnam war was not a NATO operation, since neither the US nor France was attacked. NATO is a defensive alliance.
  The Falklands War was an attack on UK territory, but since the territory in question was outside of Europe it didn't count for Article 5. That's because of limitations defined in Article 6. Article 6 does mention Algeria (because of France doing France things) but since Algeria is no longer under French control it's been rendered moot. There is some debate that Spain's little exclaves in Morocco may fall under NATO protection, but that's a big stretch. But no, NATO does not protect overseas territories that are holdovers from colonial times.
  UN peacekeeping operations are UN Peacekeeping operations. While NATO members often contribute to these operations (just as non-members of NATO do) they are UN operations. You'll be surprised to learn many African countries contribute soldiers to UN peace keeping operations. You may also want to read up on the African Union which is way more prominent in African peacekeeping operations. Also note that the Wagner group (Russia) is very relevant in a lot of shenanigans going on in Africa. China is fairly relevant to Africa these days as well.
  Which is also why actually declaring war is so rare these days. Its not a war. Its a peacekeeping operation or a conflict or whatever. So we’ll pressure you to help us commit atrocities but you’ll also kind of just be in the area shooting some brown people and not be at war or anything.
  No one declares war anymore because a declaration of war is going from 0 to 100 with a stroke of a pen. Probably not a good thing to be doing after the invention of nuclear weapons. Probably wasn't ever a good thing, given it made war seem like something that was legal and civilized. Atrocities have always existed in wars and entangling alliances and declarations of war represented automatic expansion of atrocities. This is now widely seen as a bad thing.
  Now we generally use the concept of escalation towards war. This allows for the potential to deescalate before it becomes an all out war. Yes atrocities can occur during escalation and deescalation. But it's significantly less than the 0 to 100 scenario that was happening when declarations of war was commonplace. Look to the cities of Germany at the end of WWII if you want to see the results of an all out war in modern times. Or look at Gaza right now. Look to the cities of Japan at the end of WWII if you want to see what all out war looks like after nuclear weapons came into existence.
  So no, we probably should try to avoid the all out war scenarios that declarations of war represents. Especially since we're transitioning to being a more multi-polar world, which means there will be more wars going forward.
100% agree (am American).

He's still the best US president candidate Russia has

The best money can buy

Sometimes I like to imagine that trump is actually an elaborate honey pot, and any day now all of his supporters are going to be rounded up for being treasonous idiots too dangerous to leave unattended. But no, people really are that awful.

The guy's fool and a security threat. He should be in a cell, not on television.

I'm not entirely convinced that Trump isn't set up and supported by the Bush family so W didn't go down in history as the worst modern president ever.
- Did you know that Russia has weapons of mass destruction?
He and his co-conspirators are what gitmo was built for and where they belong. Traitor's and terrorists the lot of them.
- Trump should be in prison but Gitmo should not exist. Let's not use Trump as an excuse to justify that atrocity.

Quick reminder: NATO's collective defense clause, also known as Article 5, has only been triggered once. It was invoked in response to the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks on the United States.

Reminder that Trump was happy about those attacks that day because they made his property value go up
- He said that on the day.
  A few hours after the towers collapsed, he decided to call into a radio station and brag. No one asked him, he just did it. And he said:
  “Well, it was an amazing phone call,” Mr Trump told WWOR. “I mean, 40 Wall Street actually was the second-tallest building in downtown Manhattan. And it was actually – before the World Trade Center – was the tallest. And then when they built the World Trade Center, it became known as the second-tallest, and now it’s the tallest.”
  https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/9-11-trump-tallest-building-manhattan-b2164420.html
  And, like most things Trump says, it wasn't even true. It was never the second-tallest building in downtown Manhattan.
  So, on 9/11, while first responders were digging through the rubble and pulling out corpses, Trump called up the biggest radio station in New York to lie about how tall his building was.

Russia attacking NATO would give a significant chunk of the globe the green light to obliterate Putin.

This is likely the route to ending the war on Ukraine with the lowest loss of human life.

So... Go on Putin, try it.

That would actually be 4d chess. Encourage Russia to invade and let Poland crush it
- The problem with this is that Russia will rather take whole world down with it than admit defeat. They don't obey the rules (and laws) of war.
Yes, nuclear warfare is definitely the right path forward for the world...
- Ooooh right, nUcLeAr WaRfArE! Forgot about that. Yeah, we should probably just let them completely destroy Ukraine, and after they're done, feed em whichever countries they want until they've had their fill.
  Anything to keep Putin placated!

Yeah it doesn't seem like you should vote for this guy.

Over 75 million people in this country are about to do that.
Don't like it? Get out and vote.

Stable genius.

Had he just said that NATO countries are failing their duty as a member as they're not paying the agreed amount of money for the alliance he would actually sound sane. Most Europeans agree to that. The governments have been slacking for years, and now there is a war. Again.

Instead he talks like a lunatic. Fuck that guy.

It's not even that simple, because paying can be done with money, but you can also send troops, or have troops ready to protect other countries, send equipment, etc.
So it's not that black and white who pays what.
Also I think the biggest think Trump did to NATO for the EU, is that for the first time people actually realized the US isn't always the allie we thought. It really depends on who's president, something before Trump most people never thought about. It also really pushed the point of having an European army and other changes like that.
I don't think he's talking to NATO countries anymore than he's talking to his party.
I think he's asking Putin for help again.
I don't know that Putin really wants anything more from Trump though. He got the discord he wanted to distract the US. He got to flex on all of the world by Trump getting elected and demonstrating his spook prowess.
But, that's just my opinion, Putin has forgotten more about international politics and power than I'll likely ever know.

Feeding his base. Republicans only platform is to trigger libs. They’re like monkeys throwing shit at their fellow citizens.

I might 'encourage' his staff to drown him in his gold toilet.

Give them free Taco Bell first.

I might 'encourage' someone to kick Trump square in the toad-from-mario-shaped microdicklette.

I'm sure Russia that can't even conquer Ukraine is more than capable of going to war against rest of NATO /s

Yes, but they can test invade Latvia to see if NATO just agrees to give up territory for peace
- Latvia is part of both NATO and EU, most of Europe would be forced to react.

This is really laughable. Trump is bitching about not paying bills? Trump? They guy who's lawyers need to sue him to force him to pay his bills? The guy who robbed money from his charities for himself? That dude?

He means that Europe got complacent with Russia, which it did, but he's not some genius for seeing that. It was a known issue and let's say that Europe has learned it's lesson. He just was typically dumpass trump and threatened his allies over small issues, instead of using diplomacy.

Now saying that he'll encourage Putin to attack Europe (good luck with that one, btw) is again stabbing his allies. He doesn't understand that America is worth shit without those allies, because of course he doesn't because he's trump. Be proud of being dumb.

Yeah yeah we already know he's a traitor.

The fact that we're still unsure that it's going to keep him from getting elected is a thoroughly frightening prospect.
It still boggles my mind that at least a third of the country thinks he's the best person to lead the country, even after all the lies, crimes and general damage to the country and its reputation.

And conservatives all over the world still want to install Trump as POTUS, let alone the American ones.

Ew. Look at those horrific tiny claws.

My only hope with a second Trump term is that when he inevitably drags the US out of NATO, the other member states invest more heavily into their military budgets, rally to support each other and make it a true defensive pact.

NATO would definitely feel the hit of losing US support, but I don't think this will tip the scales in Ukraine. If the other states chip in, I think they'll hold out.

It's more hilarious that the Republican Party have managed to dupe their own stereotypically patriotic supporters into allowing them to sell out to Russia. Aren't they forgetting the decades of anti-Commie propaganda being fed to them?

Russia isn't communist anymore. They are a white ethno state with strong laws against the gays.
- I remember thinking Romney was an idiot for talking about how much of a threat Russia is.
  Shows what I know.
- Russia isn't communist anymore.
  Strictly speaking, was it ever really communist? Did any Marxist-Leninist state even come close to a communist society? Where's all those Lemmy people who read Marx when you need them?
  They are a white ethno state with strong laws against the gays.
  Kinda always have been.
Ideally NATO would fall apart and cap the member states' potential to commit their imperialism in the middle east.
And modern capitalist Russia tries its best to put out anti-communist propaganda for its population too btw. The current governments of the US and Russia aren't too different in that sense; the difference is that Russians have lived under Socialism and experienced the massively decreased quality of life after the country turned capitalist so the propaganda doesn't quite work (with rising support for the USSR in recent years even)
The reason Trump wants to ally with Russia is likely to sabotage China, the same way they sabotaged the USSR and contributed to its illegal dissolution by allying with China against them in the Cold War.

I'm over the insane sewage that spews from his mouth and not clicking on any trump articles (ragebait) ... fuck the news they are salivating at the money if he is president again.

So if anyone is feeling generous I'm a little OLL could you explain what these like dumbass ok hands are??? Is he about to do the batman hand mask?

hell yeah don't read the article that'll show them for sure
- Love when nut sack has a good joke

So…. Extortion.

Can we just start encouraging people to attack Trump instead? How is it that people like Mahatma Gandhi, Martin Luther King, John Lennon, JFK, and others can get gun-downed by random psychos, but one of the worst humans to ever exist is still skating by scot-free? Will no one rid us of this turbulent Trump? (obviously I'm being satirical here)

If that dick sucker gets back in we are closing our borders so fucking fast. Also Canada is part of the British commonwealth so we know what side the UK will be on if this idiot tries anything.

Unfortunately closing our borders doesn't mean anything when we share the longest undefended border in the world.
There are a literal shit ton of places to just walk across (or 4x4) without anyone knowing ... and that sucks in this context. :/
- .. and even just economically, AFAIK we have treaties we would have difficulty getting out of; such as to provide them with water. We ship a lot of our raw resources (beef, lumber) down to them only to buy back finished goods, stuff like that. Canada will be in a real jam if we feel a need to distance ourselves properly from the USA.

I feel like at this point he's trying to antagonize europe into launching a counterpropoganda campaign against Russia's troll farming

That's not his style. He's only speaking to his people. Nothing about what he says correlates to reality. He doesn't want to antagonize Russia at all. He, like cucker are beholden to pushing Putin's propaganda. We are still suffering from Russian psyops.
At this point I wish they would, frankly. Especially since the US is clearly going to do nothing to hold Trump, Putin and all of their stooges accountable for anything.