Goodbye Skiff
Goodbye Skiff
Skiff Mail privacy-first, end-to-end encrypted product home, with Mail, Calendar, Pages, and Drive overview.
It was fun while it lasted. The recent addition of PGP support was very welcome, and I thought that such support might have been a sign that they were in it for the long-term with the email product, but I thought wrong.
Dear Skiff Community,
We are excited to share that Skiff is joining Notion.
Skiff's mission is to bring freedom to the internet by helping people collaborate and communicate with freedom and privacy. We see a deep alignment with Notion’s vision to build a connected workspace and enable everyone to build tools that reflect their values.
We’re extremely excited to accelerate our mission by joining forces with Notion’s world-class team. We sincerely hope that the Skiff community will join us for this next stage of our journey. We’re pursuing big plans for making all of our online lives freer and more empowered, and these plans will carry forward directly the ambitions we’ve strived for alongside the Skiff community.
As we begin to shift focus to our shared efforts with Notion, we will be closing down Skiff's product suite after a 6-month sunset period We are deeply appreciative of the trust users have extended to us, and we are committed to honoring that trust by ensuring that all data on Skiff is easily exportable. For the next 6 months, Skiff services will continue to operate without disruption, and users can freely duplicate, migrate, or export data. You can now also set up a forwarding address to redirect mail to any other provider.
Our commitment to privacy and security is unchanged. All user data remains end-to-end encrypted, and Skiff products will never monetize your data. Accounts and data on Skiff will not be converted into Notion accounts.
We encourage you to export your data and migrate custom domains within the next 6 months. We’ve prepared this guide to make that process as easy as possible. For any other questions, our support team is readily available via the in-app “Send feedback” option or at support@skiff.org.
The Skiff community has lifted, inspired, and energized us at every step. We are humbled by your support and we apologize for any disappointment or inconvenience this change may cause you. We remain as committed as ever to bringing about the vision for a better internet that brought us together. Thank you for being part of the Skiff family, and we look forward to continuing to serve you with our future efforts.
Sincerely, Skiff Team
We’re pursuing big plans for making all of our online lives freer and more empowered, and these plans will carry forward directly the ambitions we’ve strived for alongside the Skiff community.
That's some nice corporate speak right there.
Fuck this guy and fuck Notion too.
Ran it through the corpo parseltongue translator.
Where to get that ? XD
you can use the exact same image for an accurate translation of most corpo bs
ChatGPT Store.
I run an email service, and it seems pretty awful to me to sell your company and not stipulate that the email domain should be migrated to another provider. Forcing your users to migrate away from their addresses is really rude.
It is some bullshit, to be sure. Basically a middle finger as they waltz out the door.
"Show yourself out."
So glad I didn't switch my email to them but sad that another promising service is gone.
Came here looking for this, I just got the email. I do not use their email service as a main email, so I wont be missing a lot. Still disappointing however, but not really surprised.
I was really enjoying using Skiff Pages as an alternative to Google Docs. Glad I didn’t get more entrenched before they pulled this stunt. So disappointing.
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We are excited to share that Skiff is joining Notion.
Oh come on, I was just about to move my calendar there from outlook
Anyone know of another privacy friendly calendar that has a nice and lightweight desktop app?
Haven't used it yet, but Proton has a beta desktop app that might be what you're looking for.
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At this point, to remain anonymous online, you may as well not even get online anymore.
I might just be dumb... But does this mean that in 6 months I just don't have an email there anymore? I didn't see any kind of messaging about transitioning services, just like, 'grab what you can and GTFO.'
But does this mean that in 6 months I just don’t have an email there anymore?
Yes, sounds like it. I can imagine that they have decided for this path, instead of a server migration Skiff->Notion, to make sure that previous non paying Skiff users do pay at Notion if they choose for Notion.
If they're joining Notion, does that mean Notion is looking to add encrypted services?
lol. no.
Lmao no. At best, Notion bought them out to make their own email hosting solution. Worst case, notion bought them out to run the company into the ground to fuck their competition.
MAKE PRODUCT AT LOSS
GET CAPITOL TO MAKE PRODUCT LOOK BIGGER
SELL PRODUCT FOR MORE THAN SPENT
FIRE EVERYONE TO "MAKE SUSTAINABLE" (LIE)
LEAVE WITH GOLDEN PARACHUTE
REPEAT TILL YOU CAN BUY ENOUGH PROPERTIES TO RAISE SHITHEAD KID WHO WILL RUIN YOUR FORTUNE
Lessons to learn:
STOP SHILLING EVERY NEW PRIVACY SERVICE PROVIDER
STOP FALLING FOR PRIVACY/SECURITY SNAKE OIL MARKETING
STOP HYPING STUFF TO CREATE ARTIFICIAL ACTIVITY IN PRIVACY COMMUNITY
I was using their quick aliases all the time to get free Adobe trials. Is there any alternative? Gmail's "+" aliases are detected as aliases, Skiff was unpopular enough that they hadn't blacklisted them.
Buy your own domain and set it up to forward all email to a single address. Then anything@your.domain is like an alias.
Fastmail supports aliases as well. I'm not sure how they are from a privacy side overall tho
addy.io is another alternative
Sad. I switched from Tuta kinda recently because Tuta's UI was just bad and no PGP support. Looks like I'm going to start using the paid Proton plan.
The enshitfication is real
Always felt shifty with their marketing attempts "hey, this looks really cool. It has this extensive list of features. I've not tried it, what do you think?".
Feels I was right to be skeptical. Email is sensitive information and not something you can quickly jump to new shiny thing in town. Proton mail is king for me, but at least Tuta been around a while.
I always thought skiff was sus. I think there was a youtube sponsor video with them or something. Immediately smelled fishy.
I like to make a conscious effort to move from GMail and Outlook (even though i have a rare @live account with just my first name as the handle) but I also don't want to move away from ThunderBird and FairMail. Skiffs client sucked and Tutanota client sucks less, but it came no where near to thunderbird. I get why they do it, but even then, full PGP auto email was only supported between two tutanota users
If the data is encrypted client-side, why does this matter?
life is full of mysteries. if skiiff doesnt know thr contents of my email then why does it know when i try to attach an .apk file?
What's so bad about it? Is Notion a less trusted company?
Came here looking for this because I just got the email. I do not
They never cared for privacy, it was all marketing. We should be equally suspicious of Proton and Tutanota.
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I second that question
It's probably about as likely that other email service providers will shut down (or at least make the service they provide worse) unexpectedly.
A more sustainable solution would be to make it easier to self-host similar services and giving your contacts more help with transitioning to more privacy-respecting solutions.
I'm personally not very worried about proton.me or tuta.com shutting down without giving me much time to replace them, but it's a possibility I keep in mind as it would be inconvenient if that happened, and I can do a little bit to make it less inconvenient if it does happen (e.g. by registering alternate email addresses with any person or company who wants to talk to me).