German far right’s Höcke wants to kick disabled kids out of regular schools
German far right’s Höcke wants to kick disabled kids out of regular schools
Disability campaigners and top politicians react with fury to AfD chief’s proposal.
He probably wants to do worse, but can't say it out load yet. He's a fucking Nazi.
Yeah, people always seem to think the AfD is one united front.
But they span the whole gamut from Tucker Carlson ultra-right-wing-but-also-no-grasp-on-factual-reality to literally-a-fucking-nazi-wanting-to-burn-jews-themselves-in-their-own-oven.
They're abhorrend as a party, and the fact that so much of the shit media in Germany low-key supports them hard and pushes people towards voting for them (namely and chiefly the Axel Springer media landscape which is sadly huge) and as a result they get quite a significant number of votes is... "worrying" to put it mildly. As a German in particular, I have genuine plans how and where to move if shit hits the fan, which at the present rate it will. >.> (Ireland, probably)
Yup! So much so that even members of a party under investigation for being a nazi front tried to expel him.
This is beautiful, though:
After Höcke's "monument of shame" comment, the Center for Political Beauty, a Berlin-based art collective, erected a full-scale replica of one section of the Holocaust memorial in Berlin within viewing distance of Höcke's home in Bornhagen as a reminder of German history.
I hate the AFD so much. Me and lots of other Germans try so hard to show the World that Germany is a modern inclusive and liberal Democracy from its deepest core and then POS like Höcke comes along and does shit like this. And I really can't understand how anyone at all will believe anything that anyone from this shit show of a political party says. They are willing to sell out Germany to Russia, the have shown that they don't care about anyone and everything they are interested in is spreading hate and getting in Power. I hate them so much.
Like all right-wing parties they lack any actual real agenda. That is, they're not interested in running the currently existing state, they want their fascist WW3 Nazi Germany with them at the helm. Rather, their entire political "argument" right now is "Current stuff is SHIT!". That's how they get all their votes, from people being angry and disappointed.
But, much as I like to ramble about current politicians (since you can't call the AfD fuckers "politicians"), things can be shit outside of the control of anyone in particular. As if Höcke could have handled COVID. Imagine what a disaster it would have been if he had any say in it. Imagine how even the nascent efforts at climate would be worse. Inclusion, Russia, education, health, there's not a single topic the AfD would improve if they got power. And they were openly do not intend to improve anything. They're completely open about it.
German business elites tried to sell out Germany to Russia tho
but then again ...germans. they pretend to be open minded and inclusive. but the deeper you look, there more you see it is a fake. you pin this in afd but seem to have forgotten CDU/CSU, SPD and the other crooks. germans just do not acknowledge it and thereby just feed to it.
example: https://blog.till-westermayer.de/index.php/2017/08/08/rechtsruck-im-political-compass-ernsthaft/
so in 2017 germans wrote blogs there wouldnt be a rise in facism. numbers today say: there is a rise and it did not stop.
what did you do to stop it but bitch?
Did you comb your Hair with a Hammer today? Or did just took a big swig out of a Jug of paint?
No?
Then let me deconstruct your Comment.
"but then again ...germans. they pretend to be open minded and inclusive. but the deeper you look, there more you see it is a fake."
At first you start with generalisation. You've never met all Germans, you've never get to know them good enough to say what is deep down in them. So this entire paragraph is completely irrelevant and says nothing except for "I have no Argument but I want to say something".
"you pin this in afd but seem to have forgotten CDU/CSU, SPD and the other crooks. germans just do not acknowledge it and thereby just feed to it."
Then a healthy pinch of "What-about-ism". We are talking about the AFD not about the shortcomings of other political Partys. No one said they did everything right and no one said it's only the fault of the AFD. You just made that one up!
"so in 2017 germans wrote blogs there wouldnt be a rise in facism. numbers today say: there is a rise and it did not stop."
And then you present one example which has a relevance close to nothing. If you can't follow why here are two things that literally changed Europe if not the World and happend after 2017:
-Corona Pandemic 2020 -Escalation of the Ukraine Conflict to full scale War 2022.
These events and especially the political followup were not predictable in 2017. So what you are proving is widespread common Knowledge: The world was different in 2017. Congratulations that you realised this now. Better late than never.
"what did you do to stop it but bitch?"
And to put the Cherry on top a personal insult which bears again no significance to anything. But I will answer your question anyway. Since I'm a civilized Citizen of Germany and not some violence ridden fashist I will go and vote and call out fashism and disinformation everywhere were I see it.
All in all your debating skills are on the level of 4 Year old. You present facts which are outdated and are irrelevant. You try to steer the debate away from its original topic. You set up Strawmen. And you get insulting if you have nothing else to say.
If you have the mental capacity to do so, work on that. Until then I have nothing else to say to you.
I wish you a terrible Day!
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I don’t have a wide experience to draw on but I have one very vivid direct experience of this.
Years ago I was shadowing a teacher for a day when I was considering teaching as a career. In one class there was a kid who had a gonzo remark to make for everything the teacher said. The whole class laughed at his every word. It was really disruptive. He made a clown of himself and the teacher did nothing. Even stranger, his girlfriend was practically sitting in his lap, stroking his wrist, and kissing his neck the entire time, and the teacher also did nothing. The whole flow of the class was destroyed and I remember nothing else from that hour. It blew my mind that the teacher just let it happen.
Later, I realized that my interpretation of what I’d seen was all wrong. The kid wasn’t a smartass. He was differently abled. He wasn’t trying to be disruptive, but he couldn’t control himself well and kept reacting out loud to the lecture, saying things like “oh shit they shot the archduke?” It did create a funny effect, but the class was mostly laughing along with him. Perhaps he had Tourette’s? And it wasn’t his girlfriend kissing him, it was his dedicated teacher sitting with him, whispering in his ear to try to coach him and get his disruptions under control.
I was across the room from him with an obstructed view and the dedicated teacher was very young which all helped me misread it at first.
But still. The level of disruption was totally undeniable. In addition to consuming an entire teacher of his own, the kid took over the rest of the class and impacted everyone.
I couldn’t have designed a costlier setup with worse results for everyone if I’d tried.
I couldn’t have designed a costlier setup with worse results for everyone if I’d tried
You severely underestimate the costs of effective special education schools. In general, dedicated special education is more expensive than embedding care in general schools. What you saw was a cost cutting measure, and the student and teachers in that class paid the price.
What is cheaper is basically warehousing disabled students until they turn 18 without making any effort to teach them anything. That’s undoubtedly going to be the next step.
I have to ask how big was this school. One one of the schools I went to had only one deaf kid in the whole student body. So the school couldn't just put in special classes by himself and hire a whole new set a teachers for him. Now given deafness and what ever that kid had are very different and need different accommodation.
First people push for mass abortions of disabled people (see Iceland), next they try to make living disabled people's lives horrible. Eugenics is making a comeback and nobody cares.
We care. We don't have the same resources as some of these assholes, but we care.
I'm more sympathetic to letting people choose to abort fetuses with clear genetic or physical problems.The world isn't made a better place by more people with down syndrome. Very early genetic testing is helpful here.
However, not letting these people who do exist, and to some extent will probably always exist, live full enriched lives to the extent that they are able is rather horrible.
What does "mass abortions" mean exactly in this context?
You're probably talking about Iceland's "100% abortion rate for people with down syndrome"? Which comes to about 1 or 2 cases per year.
Exaggerating much?
Yeah I was about to ask about that. since a lot of disabilities can't be detected before birth
A lot of younger people don't know who Hitler was or just assume he's a funny meme these days. It's not their fault, this stuff is simply not taught in schools and I fear we're destined to make the same mistakes all over again.
Later added: "They need special care, we need to withdraw them from our normal schools and build camps to keep them together, preferably with easy rail access.
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“All children deserve equal participation and more opportunities through inclusive education,” Brandenburg said.
I concur. Unfortunately I also somewhat concur with this weird guy on this topic because the current system does not result in equal participation.
The current system results in a lot of unhappy parents and unhappy students and burned out teachers.
That doesn't sound or look viable. But it is what we got in a lot of the EU.
The inclusion project almost always results in exclusion. Only in the first few years it does work.
After that it quickly becomes very apparent for all the kids that that one kid is different. And that the teacher spends all most all his time on that one kid. Which results in envy and jealousy. And that one kid also feels like shit because of that.
Kids, like adults, can and will be very mean.
In the school of my kids I've seen it work twice, in 13 years. All the other times it ended with a premature departure of the special needs kid.
Now I'm not talking about mild autism or mild adhd or a small mental deficiency. Those are manageable and those kids should be teached at a "normal" school. I'm talking about the severe cases of those and syndromes like down.
(source parent of 3 kids, in the Netherlands with somewhat the same system.)
Yeah, I've no doubt that Höcke is pursuing this for extremely cynical and gross reasons, but the broken clock is right twice a day. “Inclusion" is one of those policies that sounds so self-evidently positive and reasonable at a glance, that people's brains shut down and nobody thinks of potential downsides to it as a universal policy. A majority of kids who require special education fare much, much better in smaller classes taught by a special education teacher who can move through material more slowly and boil it down to easier-to-grasp concepts. Sticking them in a large classroom with 20-30 non-disabled peers, even with a SpEd teacher present, rarely has a positive effect, and more often than not leads to worse outcomes for all students present. Inclusion is at its core a cost-saving measure (it's cheaper to stick the SpEd kids in a GenEd classroom than making a dedicated class for them), but it wraps itself in progressive ideology so well that it's almost impossible for parents or teachers to argue against.
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Bernd will never change
I agree, we should aim for regular schools if possible, but should watch out in taking our ideology too strictly and clouding our view on reality. If it's not manageable, a special school might be best for all parties.
We can still try, but not against one's better judgement.
so i come from a much much larger country and I need ask. What is the longest distance a student would need to travel to one of these schools. Over here in Texas we have a special school for the deaf in Austin, which can be more then 15 hours away from some places. So students there often just live at the school. Now for deafness we have hearing aids, CDI and deaf classes can be added to any school. With how rural Texas gets having separate schools would not be a viable option. Take where my mom lives, you could put down a copy of the Netherlands and it would around 10,000 people living in the whole area. With so few people you go years and not run into a single kid with certain disabilities. This makes separate schools completely unusable
Jesus, this world man. It seems I read dumb horrible shit every couple days. I always thing, nahh can't top that and then a couple days later some even more dumb horrible shit is posted.
It’s always been like this. It’s just now we hear about it more. But in a way it’s good. It shows we as a society collectively cringe more at this than condone it. Perhaps keeping it public and reminding people why they are stupid and ignorant through public scrutiny and outrage is one way to combat it.
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Nothing in comparison to Alexander Gauland and Uwe Junge. Two leading members of the party.
Looks like Kenneth Copeland.
Just like Ellen DeGeneres
This was my first thought - like man, maybe this dude is horrible because he's looked like that his whole life
Conservatism is a plague of oppression, sickness and death. It always has been.
History has shown that conservatism cannot be defeated by pacifism.
George Orwell wrote in 1942, during the war:
"Pacifism is objectively pro-fascist. This is elementary common sense. If you hamper the war effort of one side, you automatically help out that of the other.“
With that said conservatism is not fascism, but one enables the other.
We're talking about AfD. They don't even hide the fact that they are nazis. People who vote for them never really learned from history.
Welp, this sounds familiar.
Idk but the guy in the picture looks like genderbent Ellen DeGeneres
If Kenneth Copeland and Ellen had a kid
This sounds like the worst breeding program.
This is horrifying of course, but I feel like coming out of a German politician in particular it's a bit of a red flag.
A red flag with a black cross on it
Cross's broken, dude. (j/k)
We should kick Höcke out of politics first. He has already left humanity long ago.-
funny, I'd like to kick him...
…personally
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