Fuck Facists, never again
Fuck Facists, never again
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People at Bonn protesting against Nazi cunts singing Ode to Joy
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Let's just appreciate for a moment how great of a choice Ode to Joy is for the European Anthem. It's a very memorable tune which honestly kind of slaps in a way that few anthems do.
Still not as great as La Marseillaise (which is not even a song, but a war chant meant to be hollered), but one of the best anthems out there nonetheless.
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The Pete Seeger version that I've often heard sometimes called Ode to Joy/Russian Song has fantastic lyrics. Not speaking German, I'm wondering if these folks are singing the same translation?
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I was confused after reading the post and got worried thinking it was the Nazis using Ode to Joy as their own.
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It's beautiful. Many of the comments here demonstrate that Lemmy still needs to learn how to not feed the trolls, and I wonder if it's something similar that's needed in real life politics.
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I think the difference is posting on lemmy isn't quite the same as having an entire society's fate in your hands.
I can ignore despicable politicians, but that doesn't prevent them getting elected and targetting people like me.
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Reminds me of Oswald Mosley (leader of the British fascist party c. 1930s) saying that it didn't matter if they won tomorrow or after a hundred years. Thankfully he was wrong about winning... but truly these fascist fuckers will always pop up somewhere.
We know it's a bad idea, we know it's a dangerous idea, we know it's a deadly idea, and a complete failure in practice. Sign me up! /s
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Die Partei: Nazis töten. You love to see it
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25 seconds later: 🇩🇪 - Flagge wtf haha
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If you had to boil down, the german constitution into one short sentence, it would be 'Never again'.
So displaying the german flag at such an occasion, is acually one of the few occasions where it is appropriate to use it in an political context IMHO.
And as a bonus point it gives nazis a taste of there own medicine, by taking symbols & language used by the opposition for your own movement. But in an non-stupid way this time.
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I'm glad to see people up in arms about this. We need more of this. Across the world.
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Wait what, I didn't know Ode to joy had lyrics.
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Ode to Joy is Beethoven's 9th symphony, and has lyrics. The anthem of the EU is the same but without lyrics.
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One step further: it's Schiller's poem. Beethoven turned it into a symphony.
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Fuck AfD!!!!
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I wholly recommend Slavoj Zizek's take on the 1st part of the 9th and its appropriation by different dictatorships and ideologies.
There are better songs if you want to bash fashs.
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That video seems cut off. Zizek never gets to explain how Beethoven was criticizing anything with the second part of his symphony. How can lyric-less music criticize anything?
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I believe at the time the Church had rules about musical timing for its music and things like certain chords and i think 3/4 timing as a whole were considered a sin.
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This is great news. However, I can't help but fear that people went back to their private lives afterwards thinking "well done, we defended democracy". Where to go from here? How to keep people engaged in fighting the right? What are realistic next steps for those of us wanting to do more than voting and the occasional demonstration, other than violence? On another note, how might one approach minorities concerned by the indicated policies to join the movement?
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I voted afd
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Well, you should read the Partys Program, look info what their leaders say and realize it was a mistake. If you think they are right in their views, you may just be an asshole, sry about that.
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Check his username bruv
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Well, I did read their 2023 Party Program, and I'm afraid it's pretty polished to appear mainstream. I was shocked on how many points appealed to me on first glance, like plebiscites, the prohibition for judges to be affiliated with a political party, universal basic income or transparent financing of political parties.
You have to actually study it, interpret it with their mindset in mind and compare it to the populist playbook used in countries like Italy, Hungary or Poland to detect the underlying fascism. It's a shiny piece of deception.
It might be worth to write a comment on it.
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Just so you know, spez is the colossal dickhead CEO of Reddit, who fucked everything up and caused the Reddit exodus. This is a troll account.
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Okay but like when are you going to act on it instead of this meaningless shit?
Fascism needs to driven out through violence and force not holding hands and singing kumbaya.
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Mobilization is the first step. You will not get people to start beating up fascists, who for the past 20 years haven't been to a single demonstration. Also having millions on the street for a cause puts pressure behind politics to take the more activist protests serious and respond to their demands. Also with the right wing media and propaganda machine it is crucial to have so many people out, that are considered otherwise apolitical or non radical, because the narrative of the right was that they represent the silent majority and that everyone against them is a leftist radical. Now they are struggling with absurd photoshops that the masses were fake.
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Punching fascists is a moral obligation, but widespread protests against them usually also forces them back into their basement.
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Mass protests are nice, because these fuckers get too comfortable otherwise. They often think because they are racist fucks, everyone else is too.
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It's important because it takes away the right's talking point about speaking for the silent majority. This is the majority, and it's not silent anymore. You can tell that the AfD is already in crisis mode over this. Hopefully we can keep it up until the general election.
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This right here. It’s frightening how quickly many people forget.
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It’s important because it takes away the right’s talking point about speaking for the silent majority.
Eh, this is logically false. Unless the amount of people is 50% of voters + 1 on that demonstration.
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I agree that ultimately, force is needed to get rid of fascism. But that doesn't have to be physical violence, a somewhat functioning democratic system usually also has legislative force that can be used first. The German constitution was written up immediately after the horrors of the nazi regime and WWII. And it offers a lot of tools to fight fascism without physical violence. Political parties can be made illegal for example and individuals can lose their constitutional rights if they use them to destabilize the state. Of course, this won't get rid of fascists but it may weaken them enough to not be a threat anymore.
People are protesting, among other things, for these tools to be used right now, before it's too late and before physical violence is the only way out.
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It's funny how Germany should have those protections and yet the AfD is getting bigger and more popular.
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Physical violence is a necessity.
As you noted states can have tools against fascism and other takeovers themselves. Physical violence can be one of those tools first. Historically seen its the most successful tool. Nothing has made more fascists disappear than deadly force.
Simply taking away their platform and organisations is not enough. This isn't exclusive to fascism, but political movements in general. They will still remain a danger that way. They would still be a threat to real democracies, if we had any, by still being able to abuse and manipulate the system, swindling their way into power or undermining established constitutions, rights and laws. And in undemocratic systems they still can take over simply by corruption, propaganda or working their way up by more honest means.
It has been a while, but look at how in the 89-91 plenty of governments have been overthrown despite banned oppotisions.
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I love the fascist-punching enthusiasm, but a good movement will need diversity of action to get things done. Support the antifascist who beats nazis in brawls, and the antifascist who plans rallies that sing songs and march. Both are valid, and both are important.
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They are already protesting for crying out loud. 100,000 protesters isn't insignificant.
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I'm an enthusiastic supporter of punching Nazis in the face. One punch and Richard Spencer ceased to be a threat in my country. We always need Nazi punchers. Just violent enough to pierce the veil of invulnerability fascists need but not violent enough to create martyrs for their movement.
"Righteous Violence" is at the core of fascism, but the rest of it is in propaganda techniques. There are many "nice" fascist ambassadors politely wheedling their way into every formal and informal organization of people. They would be much more successful if there was not already a widespread revulsion of fascism throughout almost all countries exposed to it. That revulsion isn't just passed down, it has to be taught. Gigantic public demonstrations like this are the opposite of moments like this which have been happening in my country since 2016. Huge anti-fascist demonstrations are very important to resist fascism, since they are trying to peddle their ideology as natural and something all people believe and only a few are brave enough to claim. They have to be proven wrong for the kids they otherwise would appeal to.
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There is something to be said for shouting them down with song.
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No sure if you proof the right point here...
I don't remember singing to be the key of freeing France from Nazi-Germany
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Damn. Wish the rest of Europe would do it this big.
In Germany millions are protesting against our fascist party AfD, after they unveiled their mass deportation plans.
I know. It's good.
Look great.
Now I am expeting the same millions of people protesting the things that let afd to grow.
Remember, afd is a consequence not a cause.
the french are already doing it quite well, wherever you live would definetely benefit from a protest of this scale.
The French right wing party “Front National” nearly won the presidential election. I think France should do a lot better!!
When? Where? Last time I remember this in France was 19 years ago. :-(