"Oh so I'm the bad guy for stealing this family's house, locking them in the dingy concrete slab basement and feeding them whatever left over tablescraps, then shooting them when they try to attack me?"
Once you realize the true history of last 100 years of Palestine's history, and you come to the conclusion that an outside, non-indigenous, mostly white, mostly European/American population migrated there, killed, stole the land from, and expelled the indigenous Palestinians, these weird Zionist narratives become hilarious jokes.
Except for these narratives are cover for genocide, so in that way, like many of the Nazi ideologies and myths and shit and like the myth of American Exceptionalism, in a vaccuum these things can be hilarious because they're so absurd.
"Wait, so your family was in Europe for 300 years and then moved to a place that a book says you were in 3000 years ago, so that means it's ok to murder the current occupants and take their house and land?"
It's as ridiculous as Americans and Germans who claimed God or whatever the fuck racial superiority gave them the right, by use of their might, to take land, do genocide, settle the now-cleansed lands, and establish new governments which ensured that any remaining indigenous would never be equal.
The only difference being the Nazis were stopped part way through the "cleansing the land" part, while America succeeded basically completely. Succeeded to a point that indigenous Americans in the US will probably never, ever be considered any sort of legitimate power or threat to the US government and now it's been "settled" (literally settled but also in the way of law) for long, multiple generations, that seeing any other future where tribes are given land back or even offered some proper form of reparations is gone from the picture.
So Israel is at the "cleansing the land" stage as of now. Their obvious medium term goal is cleansing Gaza and then immediately doing the same to the West Bank and move "settlers" in to both areas, squat on it for decades, and eventually the world goes "goddamnit... what can we do at this point?"
It's a matter of demographics more than anything, all the people in the US with any sort of indigenous connection make up about 4% of the total population. Even organised and with average wealth they'd struggle greatly to threaten the US government in anything but swing state elections.
"What would you do if someone kidnapped your nana and your pop pop and your baby and your best friend."
"I would would direct planes to bomb every structure and obliterate everything that moves anywhere they might be held until there was nothing but rubble and corpses."
what is with these people who saw the flashback scene in Usual Suspects--where Keyser Soze blows away his own wife and children in his origin story--and thinks, "yeah man, that's how everybody cool would deal with that situation."
why do they think that ethnic cleansing = population decrease? is hasbara made up of highschoolers? when you have an indiginious population massively replaced, that means you have "cleansed" that place of that indiginous population. here's the wikipedia verison for the libs:
"Ethnic cleansing is the systematic forced removal of ethnic, racial, or religious groups from a given area, with the intent of making a region ethnically homogeneous."
They think ethnic cleansing = genocide = ex-post-facto realization that the bad guys just killed a bunch of people oh my goodness this is so sad it's just so unfortunate we didn't know and didn't do anything alas we must move on
Well ok in this case perhaps not. There is another possibility, the
Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.
Is it me or are all isrealis trying to guilt us into supporting their genocide?
Like the Armenians don't do this or have the power to do that. But just because the Holocaust happened we are all supposed to just sit back and go
Yeah that's fine Israel. Bomb the shit out of them.
I mean we have been saying that for decades. But now that we are like okay. Enough. They want to just guilt and shame everyone into supporting isreal bloodthirstyness.
Once you realize the true history of last 100 years of Palestine's history, and you come to the conclusion that an outside, non-indigenous, mostly white, mostly European/American population migrated there, killed, stole the land from, and expelled the indigenous Palestinians, these weird Zionist narratives become hilarious jokes.
Except for these narratives are cover for genocide, so in that way, like many of the Nazi ideologies and myths and shit and like the myth of American Exceptionalism, in a vaccuum these things can be hilarious because they're so absurd.
"Wait, so your family was in Europe for 300 years and then moved to a place that a book says you were in 3000 years ago, so that means it's ok to murder the current occupants and take their house and land?"
It's as ridiculous as Americans and Germans who claimed God or whatever the fuck racial superiority gave them the right, by use of their might, to take land, do genocide, settle the now-cleansed lands, and establish new governments which ensured that any remaining indigenous would never be equal.
The only difference being the Nazis were stopped part way through the "cleansing the land" part, while America succeeded basically completely. Succeeded to a point that indigenous Americans in the US will probably never, ever be considered any sort of legitimate power or threat to the US government and now it's been "settled" (literally settled but also in the way of law) for long, multiple generations, that seeing any other future where tribes are given land back or even offered some proper form of reparations is gone from the picture.
So Israel is at the "cleansing the land" stage as of now. Their obvious medium term goal is cleansing Gaza and then immediately doing the same to the West Bank and move "settlers" in to both areas, squat on it for decades, and eventually the world goes "goddamnit... what can we do at this point?"