Samsung phones can survive twice as many charges as Pixel and iPhone, according to EU data
Samsung phones can survive twice as many charges as Pixel and iPhone, according to EU data
They also bundle twice as much crapware
I received 100 dollars from Google for nerfing my battery capacity on my pixel 6a. If you have an pixel 6a you can also get this.
I can anecdotally attest to this. I've been using the same Samsung phone since basically 2020 with original battery and the runtime is still damn good for what I need.
Same, got mine in early 2020 and the battery is still at 87% capacity.
S21 fe and still get a full day of use.
cool. since whatever i had after the pixel 1, I've had to replace my phone every 1 or 2 years. i like the os but they're not made as well anymore
From @fuckwit_mcbumcrumble@lemmy.dbzer0.com on a post over at !android@lemdro.id
Yeah this is just manufacturers self rating themselves. This is just like VW cars rating themselves as getting 5-10mpg better than their competitors, when really they were just measuring from the balls.
The up side is if they fail to meet those ratings then are the consumers entitled to some sort of compensation?
Btw, I love how Piefed shows comments from cross-posts. Every client should do it, helps make the fediverse feel bigger and more diverse.
That's amazing, thanks for sharing that about piefed. More people should hear this. It ties the Fediverse together nicely and is likely opt-out.
I've been holding off on using it more because I haven't found a replacement for Summit. But because of that feature, I'll make a bigger effort.
This comment says otherwise:
https://lemmy.world/comment/18057099
How is battery life measured under this new EU regulation?
One interesting detail is that the battery endurance rating in the new labels is tested using the same software used by many tech reviewers: SmartViser. This French automation company works with labs and manufacturers to simulate real-world usage. So now, the battery performance you see on the label is based on consistent, lab-tested data, not just marketing claims.
the actual legislation is not that specific as far as i can tell:
https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/HTML/?uri=CELEX%3A32023R1669#anx_I
Article 5
Measurement methods
The information to be provided pursuant to Articles 3 and 4 shall be obtained by reliable, accurate and reproducible measurement and calculation methods, which take into account the recognised state-of-the-art measurement and calculation methods, as set out in Annex IV.
Article 6
Verification procedure for market surveillance purposes
Member States shall apply the verification procedure laid down in Annex IX when performing the market surveillance checks referred to in Article 8(3) of Regulation (EU) 2017/1369.
Awesome! Good to know its based off some kind of standardized testing. This is good for everyone!
It's also wrong. That comment is misinformation.
They are lab tested by a 3rd party in the EU, SmartViser.
Have you worked with 3rd party testing companies? It isn't the end all be all. Even in 3rd party testing manufactures get wiggle room, and can voluntarily derate their numbers. Especially if there's any accountability for failing to meet those numbers there's a good reason to do so.
Is piefed an instance?
Piefed is both an instance (piefed.social) and back-end server software that allows anyone to run their own instance (list of various Piefed instances). It works on the same ActivityPub protocol as Lemmy and Kbin/Mbin so they all interoperate with each other.
One of the cool things I like about Piefed is it seems to join the comments of various instances in cross-posts. On Lemmy, you can see its crossposted, but you have to manually check them out to see any comments on others. One cool feature I like over Lemmy. There's a few others, but I'd encourage you to check it out. You don't have to commit if you don't like it.
That’s strange, considering they all use the same battery suppliers.
Samsung encourages battery provisioning in it by the user. So most people using a samsung only charge to eighty percent.
How so? With heavy usage all my Samsung phones barely made it through a full day. I've never considered throttling the battery for the sake of longevity or been encouraged to by my phones.
i did that for a month, it was actually more annoying than its worth, it made charge more often than i like. i was using a OPR12
That’s rhe same with my iPhone 16, it just charges to 100 every so often
Could be a difference in how they've set up charging cut off points.
It makes sense once you consider that these numbers are the manufacturers self reporting. That means they aren’t comparable, so drawing conclusions like ”manufacturer X has better batteries than manufacturer Y” from these numbers is silly.
Anecdotally it seems to be the case for me. I switched from the A series to the Pixel and I'm pretty disappointed in how quickly my battery life has degraded.
Well, it could be that their electrical design or engineering teams have a bigger budget for prototyping and R&D. It's not just the battery that affects the charging function.
It's got to be a lie
Doesn't mean they use the same chemistry. There's a lot of different lithium batteries.
Samsung isn't even using the latest\greatest tech in cell phone batteries. The Redmagic 10 pro uses a silicon-carbon anode based battery in a dual cell form. It means fast charging is split between 2 batteries so there's less battery damage on a recharge, and the chemistry is more energy dense.
Also, it seems the cell phone companies self assess the tests and report them to the EU, so take the whole thing with a grain of salt.
1,000 charge cycles: OnePlus 13
Hmm. This one has newer silicone-carbon lithium-ion batteries, which should actually increase charge cycles, so what's happening here?
Isn't one plus one of the brands that has their own fast charging tech, that's extra fast?
Makes total sense if they traded in longevity for speed.
Isn’t one plus one of the brands that has their own fast charging tech, that’s extra fast?
Yes, but...
OnePlus offloads heat to the charger, so the phone actually doesn't get hot while charging. This fact alone would IMPROVE charge cycles, even at fast speeds.
But OnePlus also uses quite a few "tricks" to preserve battery health. Did the test include those features or did they turn them off. And if they turned them off, did they do the same with the Samsung phones (which have similar battery-health preserving options)?
I've had my OP13 since the day it came out (around 5-6 months) and keep it charged to 80% (built-in feature) and only charge it to 100% when I'll be out for the day and need to use GPS with max screen brightness. Battery health is still 100%.
I've owned a lot of Samsung phones before that, and the battery health was the only reason I've needed to replace them. So, I'm glad to see that the EU is taking charge cycles into account.
One piece of the puzzle that the numbers don't mention, is that the smaller battery of the Samsung phones means you'll be charging more often (i.e. more charge cycles) vs. something like a OP13 with a larger battery and excellent battery life (i.e. fewer charge cycles for the same use). Maybe that balances things out, but I'm still shocked that Sammy can get 1000 more charge cycles, which is YEARS more battery health than the other brands.
edit: clarity
Xiaomi has faast charge, and it (33watt) has worked both fast and reliable on my 4-5 year old note 9 pro phone. I just changed to a 13tp with 120 watt, let's see how that pans out 🔥😋
Although, replacing the battery on the Fairphone is so much easier that 1000 cycles is acceptable.
Before anyone rushes to replace their phones my Pixel 5 is nearly 5 years old, still on original battery (would be on at least 1200 cycles) and is presently sitting at 92% and claiming 1 day 11hrs remaining. Off the charger since 9:45 this morning and used for streaming music to my car while I was driving earlier. It still easily holds over 24 hours charge in my usage, so if I forget to charge it at night it's usually around 40% in the morning and I can plug it in sometime in the morning to top up. Perfectly useable after almost 5 years, and this is pretty normal for Pixels in my experience.
Love the new EU measurement standards but per other people's comments above they do not seem to mandate strict third-party testing, but rather rely on manufacturers submitting their results and adhering to the set test standards. This has not worked out well in the past, it should be mandatory third-party.
Cannot wait to see the return of user-replaceable batteries (thank you again, EU).
Your pixel 5 didn't just mysteriously die? There was a wave of them dying. Mine was part of the crossfire.
I loved the pixel 5 too, for like 3 years then mysteriously croaked.
Currently on the pixel 6 which is pretty good.
I had the 5a, and the screen died after a small fall, apparently that was common with this phone, and yes I only found out defective it was from other reviews
Ive not heard of this - were you on the standard Google OS? I wonder if that makes any difference.
I've been on custom ROM (CalyxOS) for most of the phone's life.
Sorry, no way I am going back to Samsung. I had the A71 and it was a TERRIBLE smart phone. I switched to the Pixel 6 and it was night and day.
I just need to get off my ass and install Graphene.
From a budget phone to a flagship?
Yeah, i can see how the difference would be night and day....
Regardless pixel is a great series of phone if the OS works for you then stick with google phones.
Personally i like samsung. Even if they have gotten pretty shady. Since i owned the s2 years back i have always found myself liking samsung.
Tried nexus 6, tried the OG pixel which i liked but ruined when i dropped it in a barrel filled with potatos and water. (No k wont elaborate, its more fun to leave you guessing)
Tried huawei and enjoyed my p20 pro and p30 pro but once the fold 3 came out i was back with samsung. Got a fold 6 now and am very happy.
If i recall, since the advent of smart phones, i went: Sony xperia x10, Galaxy S2, Galaxy S4 mini, Google Nexus 6, Google Pixel, Huawei P20 pro, Huawei P30 pro, Galaxy Fold 3, Galaxy Fold 6,
You're comparing apples and oranges. The A71 isn't supposed to be comparable with a pixel 9.
You're comparing the three-door Nissan to a Lamborghini
You misunderstand. I went to from the A71 to the 6. I am only recently on the 9.
Had endlesss issues with 2x Nexus phones, eschewed google, gave them another chance with a Pixel 6Pro, sold it after a month it was so shitty and grabbed a Samsung S22u that i still use. I use the pen so often its shitty not having one and goodlock does along looottts of customisation. I also mostly prefer their apps to googles, alas googles cant be deleted :(
I am glad you have had a better experience than me. I am pretty happy with Pixel now but I am going to try the Graphene route this weekend.
I appreciate your response.
I used the A71 early 2020 till about a month or two ago, and it was a fantastic phone. Only reason I moved was it's out of support, so no more security updates.
The battery was still rated at >90%. And I'd believe it, I never had to worry about it lasting a whole day. My only complaint about the phone was even during its support period the security patches were infrequent.
I contemplated Samsung again but chose a Pixel 9a due to the monthly security updates for 7 years. And in doing so I've given up dual sim, headphone jack and sd card slot (but few phones have all those features now).
I'm curious what made your experience with the A71 so terrible?
It was constantly giving out mistaken SOS messages. It would lock up and I'd have to constantly reset.
The final straw was when I was travelling to a work site I had never been to before. It locked up with a static screen and refused to reset. I had to stop at a gas station, at 4am, actually talk to another person and buy a map.
It was slow, buggy, constantly trying to get me to use their Samsung store, .etc...
When I moved to Pixel, it gave me the iPhone experience where shit just worked. And it integrated more things for me, which was convenient at the time. (But now I know it is scraping the fuck out of everything I do/see/hear.)
The Pixel line is comparable to the Samsung S line, you got a budget phone before
it's well worth it and quite easy with the WebUSB installer
I just upgraded to the 9 and assume it's scraping every bit of data it can from me. I will do it this weekend.
Funny enough, I had the complete opposite experience. I didn’t necessarily use Samsung then either, but I would get the phone that was normally rated the best or highly reviewed. I think i came from an LG to the first pixel phone. Pixel was the first phone to ever give me issues. Felt it vibrate one day in my pocket and I looked at it a few min later and it was in permanent boot loop. Tried a lot of things, but my one regret was forgetting to turn on developer options with the usb so essentially the phone was bricked. I couldn't access it or do anything, everytbing was lost and support was no help and told me they couldn't replace it. Last time I used them. I also wasn't a fan of how hard they tried copying an iPhone at the time. Since them I've mostly used a Samsung either the Note and now the higher end galaxies and love them. Only thing I dislike is their own line of apps for everything that I disable immediately.
I'm at 943 cycles on my Pixel 6 Pro and it's still going strong. I slow charge it every night and try to avoid fully draining the battery to slow down the deterioration, which seems to have worked pretty well. Thankfully a battery replacement is only $50 so it won't cost much when I do have to replace it.
Yeah I've got a P7 Pro and the battery is still fine. Adaptive charging enabled to help batter life.
Handed my P6 down to my daughter and it's still fine for her too
I had the same phone, and the only reason I replaced it was because the USB C port was finicky. It must have been damaged at some point and when plugged in, the cable had to be just right. Wireless charging works great, but I wanted the stability of being able to plug in and know it would discharge over night when I didn't have a wireless charger. Otherwise, I had no issues with the battery, and I got the phone when it was pretty new to the market. I swapped it out just a few months back, and it's going to be my test phone for grapheneOS and may end up being a communal remote.
(Not saying this was your case, but generally good to check) - a finicky/wobbly USB type c connector has been a symptom of a dirty charging port several times in the past. Awful lint/dirt would get packed down into it, preventing the charger from fully inserting.
I ended up carefully and gently picking it out, though there are some delicate small contacts in there!
Anyway, good luck trying GrapheneOS! It's been my daily driver for months and past the learning experience it's great!
That data is independently researched or Samsung gave that to the EU and it's published as-is?
The new law does not mandate third-party review. It's the innkeeper claiming that the wine is good.
But they don't have GrapheneOS 😟
Unfortunately, the future of grapheneos is not certain anyway with Google going closed source on all the drivers and device trees
They made it very clear that they'll continue. It's just a bit harder now. Plus, they'll fast track their own hardware now.
I find that I wear out the charging port before the battery. I don't even plug it in that much either.
Try cleaning out the USB-C port. Lint gets compacted in there and it can prevent the plug from seating correctly. Most charging problems I’ve had were resolved by scraping the lint out of the port, with a plastic floss pick thing or an unbent staple. Careful not to damage the contacts though.
I wanna know what the hell people are doing to destroy the ports on their devices. Like are you plugging your phone in then using it as a lasso? Are you smashing the plug down against something and bending the connector? In 20 years of using various smart phones I've never destroyed the port on my device.
Lint? Yes, but you can clear that out easily. But like actually destroying ports when they're clean?
try a magnetic charger. it may look a bit off leaving the usb-c part plugged into the phone, but there's way less wear or lint
Magnetic USB cables are usually dogshit though. They are not defined in the USB spec, so it's the wild west out there.
Or wireless, I've used both for years
Wow. This is excellent for Samsung users.
I believe these are just claims rather than actual tests or measurements right?
Apparently not
the new labels is tested using the same software used by many tech reviewers: SmartViser. This French automation company works with labs and manufacturers to simulate real-world usage. So now, the battery performance you see on the label is based on consistent, lab-tested data, not just marketing claims.
Let's hope Samsung didn't take a page from good ole VW's book.
the actual legislation is not that specific as far as i can tell:
https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/HTML/?uri=CELEX%3A32023R1669#anx_I
Article 5
Measurement methods
The information to be provided pursuant to Articles 3 and 4 shall be obtained by reliable, accurate and reproducible measurement and calculation methods, which take into account the recognised state-of-the-art measurement and calculation methods, as set out in Annex IV.
Article 6
Verification procedure for market surveillance purposes
Member States shall apply the verification procedure laid down in Annex IX when performing the market surveillance checks referred to in Article 8(3) of Regulation (EU) 2017/1369.
Can confirm my pixel 6a battery went to dogshit this week. Almost feels like it's more the update than anything with the battery.... but I guess I'll be learning to switch battery and finally going back to lineageos
Their obsession with the tensor AI chip is very strange
Yeah they sent a communication to pixel 6a owners saying that they will force an update that will reduce battery usage. In case you did not know, Google is providing a 100$ check, or 150$ discount on their store for 6a owners.
My 6a is over 3 years old and still strong. I had no Samsung battery that lasted under a year and a half.
GrapheneOS though.
I've had my Pixel 5 since around the time the 6 came out. The battery life isn't great, but I can get by just fine. Maybe Samsung phone batteries are better, but before this I had a Samsung Galaxy. The battery on that was no better. I know this is anecdotal, but I don't plan to switch when my 5 croaks.
I had the 5a I I only found out it was super defective after the screen died from a small drop, apparently it's one of its common defects, aside from the motherboard failure. I replaced with a non iOS, Google or Samsung phone
Damn, yeah. My pixel will drain 50% or more in a day, in my pocket. Brutal
They largely fixed battery drain in the 9 series. It's now in the same league as Samsung and Apple.
Pixel models <=5 have Qualcomm SoCs in them, while model >=6 has Tensor SoCs developed by Google (but fabricated by Samsung IIRC). No Samsung Exynos SoCs in them.
I wonder why people downvote this... some kind of brand loyalty/emnity, or buyer's remorse?
But... Samsung also needs twice as many charges because for whatever reason, their batteries simply don't last as long. Timewise, you get the same lifetime, from both. What good does a larger charging count bring, if you need to charge it twice as much? Misleading spec.
idk my 6 year old Samsung only charges once a day to 85% and is good
I had a Fold 3, and while I loved the form factor, the battery was shit.
The screen got broken, and I decided to upgrade to a Fold 6 so far I'm very impressed. I took it off the charger in my car at 100% on Wednesday night around 10pm, and put it back on the charger at 11:30pm Friday with 15% left.
48 hours with moderate usage (including some gaming and YouTube) is pretty good.
So if you charge nightly, basically like 3 years for a pixel? That's not really terrible, especially if using the a-series which is a decent value.
I'd like my phone to last 5 years minimum.
That seems to be the new standard for continued software support too. If the phone only lasts for half of that, what's the point?
Replacing the battery on a 9a is a invasive 64-step process(ifixit guide). The kit they sell is surprisingly cheap at $40, but has a list of other tools you need. Its definitely not a project most people will undertake.
the person above is also assuming 0-100% charge every day. most people won’t go through a whole battery charge every day, at least for the first couple years.
you’re also assuming 0-100% charge every night which most people won’t do. so very likely much more than 3 years.
I'm one of the outliers in that I do 80 to ~10 before the day is over, then I'll charge and keep going, or I keep it topped up on the wireless charger throughout the day. But overall I'm charging at least a full cycle daily. I use my phone heavily. 1.5y in and I started using the 80% cutoff for lifespan, but I haven't noticed a decline, it's preventative and not reactive.
Family member has my previous phone, 2.5y old, and has not complained to me about the battery. When it was in my possession it was the same use case/scenario. Their use case is lighter duty, but they leave the screen on for like 10 minutes after idle, never turning it off manually. Pain.
My previous previous phone was given to a sibling, 3.5y old, again when it was mine it got the same heavy use. They use a battery bank some days, but they can be an even heavier user than I am sometimes - discord voice and video chatting, games, even doing one while also on a desktop. 100 to 20 or less most days, I often see it in the evening in battery saving mode around 10% when they are reaching for the bank. But that's still with a few hours SoT and heavy use with socializing and games and stuff.
All 3 are pixel pros, 8/7/6. shrug
I'd prefer my phone to last longer than that for the price I paid (oh, wait. It's a Samsung, and it's already lived longer than that, lol)
finally some good news for us Samsung victims/owners.