These past few years have been very illuminating
Some related links, which I should have included in the first place!!
https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/zohran-mamdani-democratic-party-establishment/
https://www.axios.com/2025/06/26/democrats-zohran-mamdani-meltdown-new-york
Don't forget Bernie.
DNC had the same exact response. With the same exact Trump.
Took the DNC ten fucking years to pull their head out of their ass long enough to complain about young men populism being the key to victory, despite literally pissing away all the young men populism voters they had with Bernie Sanders.
Thank fuck it's now blatantly obvious with Zohran.
I'm not confident they will get it this time. Or care
I mean really they don't, I'm pretty sure 180 just voted against the impeachment of Trump. Literally just waiting to see which shill geriatric they'll put up for 2028 and pull the same "vote for us or suffer Republicans" bs for the next election.
I keep saying that if progressives in the DNC are being constantly blocked and cheated out of power, they need to split off and make their own party. They're afraid that if they do, they'll lose a majority against Republicans, but that's already true because even bargain basement protection laws barely pass when the Dems do have a majority in congress, and they actively support bs Republican bills when a minority like right now.
Splitting would render the DNC useless and simultaneously tap into the huge block of nonvoters that would turnout like how Mamdani's voter base was largely a grassroots campaign.
Oh I agree completely. Just to clarify: The DNC absolutely will not get it or care. This is what I was describing as more "apparant" now.
They are always the JV team to the GOP.
There is something people are missing with Bernie. Bernie does happen to be Jewish, but he is not a Zionist, unlike for example Chuck Shumer. Then Hillary is not Jewish but she is a Zionist.
The control system prefers Zionists for legislative positions but they absolutely require Zionists for administrative positions. So much so they won't let someone escape a primary without the machine kicking into play. Even at the state level.
So funny to see in real time the difference between their phony outrage over Trump’s arguably monstrous policies, VS their genuine fear over a socialist winning a mayoral race.
This is why everyone who claims the way to fix Dems is via primaries is wrong. Dems will lie, cheat, or simply not hold primaries altogether, rather than risk an actual leftist winning the nomination.
Now watch as Dems throw their support behind the independent in order to undermine Zohran.
Andrew Cuomo running as an independent, and he was endorsed by many dem leaders already
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/cuomo-stay-new-york-city-mayoral-ballot-november/story?id=123258468
Theres like 2 people in the DNC who have voiced dislike of Zohran, and they're getting fucking roasted on social media for it.
Zohran Mamdani is a Democrat. He is the DNC candidate. Vote for the DNC, vote for Zohran Mamdani.
I still think we should support those that do primary if just to show the flippant double standards.
Plus it’s good if some of them win and pull the party in a reasonable direction. And having decent people in government is always nice.
The structural flaws in our elections that force us into a two-party system are deeply entrenched and they aren’t going to change until this place burns down and starts over. If you aren’t willing to vote for a politician with good priorities because they were nominated by the democratic party, you can still be an influential voice but come election time the system is already designed to ignore your vote.
I wonder what all the people who shamed 3rd party voters will say if establishment Democrats start throwing their support behind an independent Cuomo.
This one would say all the things Harris would have done wrong are still better than all the things Trump is doing wrong. I'm not and have not been a fan of Harris. She's still not Trump.
Edit: While I actually did not truly shame anyone for their vote (I hope) it was always true that third party vote was going to help Trump get in, and I do think folks shouldn’t pretend it wasn’t true. If you are going to make a principled vote in the name of sending a message, I think it’s only reasonable to be honest about the effects of that decision.
I'm not from US, but why not ask for something more than lesser of two evils?
That only works when running for president. Running third party in every other election is what we should be doing. Bernie Sanders is a independent. He preached on that but nobody fucking listens. Instead they think we can fix the Democratic Party (we can't) Like police reform can't be done.
You have to build something NEW from the ground up. Why every local election we should be running candidates with a new party. One that actually stands for the people. Once we take over all the states. Then and only then do we run for president.
If you are going to make a principled vote in the name of sending a message, I think it’s only reasonable to be honest about the effects of that decision.
Oh my god I feel this so much.
Did you take a stand and stick to principles? Yes! Congratulations. But if you cannot accept that in doing so, you effectively voted for whatever you felt the majority of votes would go to.
I am related to several people who voted 3rd party, are adamant they did nothing to assist Trump getting elected, but ALSO hold the opinion that congressional members who vote "present" instead of yes or no are cowards hiding behind a "no vote" because they want the majority to win but they don't want to be on record for it.
What is a 3rd party vote if not "present"?
Lol I say I agree and I get shit on
I say Democrats should be reformed in the primary, voted for in the election. The time to support Mamdani as a Democrat is now. (Billionaires like Ackman, Bloomberg aren't real Republicans or Democrats anyway, they just have a lot of money and they want to back a horse that will let them keep it). The time to bring about a change in Democratic candidates ahead of the midterms (if they happen) and next general is now. In 2~4 years, it will then be time to vote in whoever's been put forward as the best chance to stop fascism.
Schumer already did a kind of shy endorsement of Mamdani, after that the others politicians don't have much room to stab the party in the back. The problem here are the donors; oligarchs are pissed.
My current bet would be that Cuomo will leave his name in the ballot out of spite but not really campaign, and lots of right wing Democrats will stay silent, while the oligarchs will try to resurrect Adams' political career by throwing money at it (may all their donations burn into a pile of useless ash)
The same as before, that you made your choice to hand the White House to trump rather than a Democrat you didn't agree with. It's the same story down the ticket too. The Democrats may have run a lousy campaign, with poor candidates, but we all knew what the alternative was, and some ostensably left wing voters chose not to oppose that.
Let’s be real. Roe would not have fallen without Trump. And the erosion of the 3 branch system would not have gotten this far. With DEMs.
But that’s what they do. While eroding the working class through continued subsidies to the rich. It’s why the middle class is dead. Yea, Reagan started that death but the Dems just took their payments and quietly kept things moving, between every Repub term, bringing us to the present state of the billionaire class, lack of middle class, and a country where 60% of the population lives paycheck to paycheck.
The same story down the ticket is that Democrats feel entitled to progressives votes and conitnously adjust to be just slightly better than Republicans.
As you saw they rather handed the country to Trump than stop a genocide and aclnowledge the cost of living crisis.
You have no power to reward people that feel entitled to your vote. You only have the power to punish them.
We will say what we have always said: vote for the DNC candidate. Zohran Mamdani.
It's funny how hot Gillibrand got over Zohran, but hasn't really said a peep in the last 5ish months of all... this.
It's certainly curious.
I like how she just invented her own hysterical interpretation of the interview where zohran wouldn't condemn people for saying globalize the intifada, and then when confronted with the actual quote from zohran, including the "I won't become mayor to be the word police," and she takes that and says "actually, you DO have to be word police, you have to tell people its unacceptable to say things that other people may interpret as calling for the slaughter of millions of jews, even if you know those phrases mean something completely different from how jews feel about it"
The interviewer at that point is like well he didn't say that and what he said doesn't imply the killing of jews but okay youre clearly just a violently racist woman so lets take a question from a caller and end the interview
I hope she resigns if he wins, if not then her next election should be her last. Disgusting, hateful, disqualifying behavior from this woman in that interview.
They are trying to act Trumpian without acting too Trumpian.
globalize the intifada
I love everything about this.
I am forced to vote for Democrats.
Bought and paid for and unwilling to lose their power at any cost it seems.
Most of the people we're talking about are either members of the house or senate in our federal government. And our current system makes it very difficult to win or keep those specific seats unless you're willing to be bought and paid for. Those who don't do as they're told will get primaried by an opponent who is much better funded. It is a system that is specifically set up to choose corrupt politicians.
We desperately need campaign finance reform, but none of those politicians who are bought and paid for are going to honestly support it. Realistically, I don't see any way that we'll see it unless there is an overwhelming popular sentiment in favor of it. Where everybody is truly upset about it and politicians' hands are forced out of fear. But I don't see that happening in America any time soon, when half the country is voting Republican.
For some of us, the 2016 Democratic primary was quite illuminating. I'm glad to see people are catching up finally.
sO yOu ArE sAyInG "bOtH sIDeS eQuAlLy BaD"?!?!?!
cOnGrAtULaTiOnS oN gEtTiNg TrUmP eLeCtEd!! :(
The Democratic Party are not friends to the people. They get rich being the opposition party and will only do the bare minimum necessary to get you to not vote the monsters back in, which is one of the reasons far-right parties are getting a draw world-wide when the alternative is neoliberalism.
We have to force radical change (the no brainer stuff like social safety nets, massive justice reform, and massive election reform).
The Sword of Damocles is twofold: the revolution of the people, and the wrath of rival dictators. And it's not to be blunted, but to keep our officials serving the public rather than their own private interests.
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It is so pleasant to see that people in the US understand that.
This is the extreme example, but if you look at Russia, that separation between the public and the politics had happened a long time ago. Now it is impossible to even convince people that politics has to serve their interests, and not the rich. And we see with the invasion how these lofeviews eventually unfolds.
Wish Americans to be strong in their transformation into the real civil society. And wish you luck and to have required support for this transformation.
It's fun watching you kids realize that the Democratic party isn't the place to go for real change. I was there after Kucinich lost the primary in 2000 and then when Gore gave up fighting for his votes.
Also: You have to vote for them no matter how much you hate them. If Fetterman wins his primary next time I MUST vote for him or I am letting Republicans win.
As opposed to Chuck Schumer who also lets Republicans win.
Helping a Fetterman win means not only does another republican win, but a republican now has power within the democratic party. Every Pelosi will have to lose an election, primary or general if we are to get a party that even desires to stop the Republicans.
Im working on it.
the Dems are in cahoots with the same elite that are in cahoots with the Reps. the dems and reps pretend to be on opposite ends of a spectrum, but they are both sucking up to capitalists and their corporations
By definition that makes them all rightwing authoritarians aka fascists, which checks out.
What it actually makes them is zionist controlled opposition. You don't get zionist occupied government without having zionist occupied parties. The US government does whatever is good for Israel even if it is bad for the American people, so yes, we have zionist occupied government.
So you shouldn't be surprised that the current in power dems have more loyalty to that than any ideology / policy take. It's a club and they have to maintain it by controlling who's in it.
The guy, unfortunately for him, has a very human and natural position on Gazan genicide. And that's just not permissible.
It's very simple. One of these people blindly supports Israel no matter what it does, up to and including genocide, and the other one doesn't.
Only one is an actual threat to how the Democrats do things.
we shall destroy the democratic party and rebuild it in our image
And then we will get rid of the awful and outdated "First Past the Post" style of voting and the Electoral College. Maybe do some term limits for Supreme Court justices as well.
DNC=Divide N Conquer
But Republicans and Democrats are completely different parties.
/s
Don't worry, I'm sure that if moderate Democrats succeed in their rabid crusade against Zohran and he gets defeated then they'll turn around and say it was because we didn't back Cuomo 1000% and without criticism, going back through your comment history and quoting this comment back to you every time you share any political opinion whatsoever.
But they're super serious about opposing Trump, pinky promise.
They are, one is shit, the other is absolute shit.
I can assure you that the Democrat candidate Zohran Mamdani is going to be infinitely better than the Republican Sliwa.
It's basically a way for the ruling class to see whether they can be more blatant on their exploits.
Every republican win means the people can stomach more of the squeezes.
The democrats have been like this since at least Clinton.
asdf
the poorest most easily manipulated people
The people who would benefit the most from Democrat-championed social programs that they now label as "radical" and "socialist" you mean?*
*Which is not some blanket endorsement of Democrats. A lot of them are also out of touch, too conservative, and still trying to run the country like it's 1952. I'm eagerly awaiting the rise of a viable 3rd party (but after all these decades I'm not really holding my breath) or the implosion of the Democrats. I was aghast that Trump somehow pulled them right instead of left, but maybe it will result in an implosion from which Bernie, AOC, Jasmine Crockett and such can bring a phoenix out of the ashes.
Trump barely beat Harris.
Cuomo got crushed in this primary.
Trump by no means barely beat Harris, she and Clinton were both around 220 votes and Trump has an easy 300.
Um, "fighting" Donald Trump.
Its as if the oligarchs dont like it when a candidate that is not endorsed by them wins
Donald Trump is useful to the real power.
getting pretty close to time to just start referring to the DNC as fascist adjacent. playing lame duck to this particular psychopath is way too old and fucking irresponsible a decade later.
especially when they pull this crap at the same time
He does support Israel.
"Politics is the entertainment branch of industry." - madlad with BDE
liberals, am I right? ☕
You are right.
It's like how Disney makes a big deal about being progressive while making a movie about a space cop who uses her weapons to intimidate indigenous populations.
Follow the money, perhaps? Cui bono
What exactly do you think the DNC is doing to fight
*checks notes
A candidate for the generals put forth by the DNC?
It would be absolutely hilarious if Musk actually set up his own party, financed it all the way to the Congress, got offended because people didn't lick is arse deep enough, got kicked out for being annoying and accidentally created an actual pro-people alternative to all these corporate vampires.
Heh. Prior to this year I could not have believe such a thing was even possible. But this year...
Uh, what stops have they pulled out to fight Mamdani?
40% of the Democrats who endorsed thief and sexual predator Andrew Cuomo previously called for him to resign. The self-described party of women's rights was more willing to support a serial sexual molester than a leftist candidate. They even defrosted sex pest and arch pervert Bill Clinton and wheeled him out to endorse her.
Some related links, which I should have included in the first place!!
https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/zohran-mamdani-democratic-party-establishment/
https://www.axios.com/2025/06/26/democrats-zohran-mamdani-meltdown-new-york
Just answering your question, not here to debate you.
https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/zohran-mamdani-democratic-party-establishment/
The only statement in this link about what the wider Dem establishment did is:
Cuomo called on his extensive political network to supply an impressive list of endorsements, including from former president Bill Clinton, former mayor Michael Bloomberg, and South Carolina Representative Jim Clyburn (a famous kingmaker who was instrumental in Joe Biden’s securing the 2020 Democratic presidential nomination). Labor unions, which tend to want to play it safe by endorsing likely winners, rallied to Cuomo’s side, including two important unions that had once called on him to resign his governorship (Local 32BJ of the Service Employees International Union and the Hotel and Gaming Trades Council).
"Mainstream Dems endorse a mainstream ghoul" isn't really much of a surprise or an exceptional effort.
The other link offers, in addition
https://www.axios.com/2025/06/26/democrats-zohran-mamdani-meltdown-new-york
Reps. Pat Ryan, Josh Riley and Ritchie Torres — who went so far as to say he wouldn't run for governor if Mamdani won — all dodged reporters.
Rep. Dan Goldman, asked if he had any thoughts on the result, told Axios: "Not right now."
The top two Democratic leaders in Congress, Sen. Chuck Schumer and Rep. Hakeem Jeffries, both New Yorkers, declined to endorse Mamdani even as they applauded his victory.
New York Rep. Laura Gillen, from Nassau County, called Mamdani the "absolute wrong choice for New York."
Rep. Tom Suozzi, also from Nassau County, said he had "serious concerns."
None of this reflects positively on mainstream Dems. But neither is it "The Dems are FIGHTING THE PROGRESSIVE WING HARDER THAN THEY FIGHT TRUMP".
We've had less of the mocking "bOth SIdeS aRE thE SamE!" recently. I think more people are starting to see what we meant.
Both sides are still not the same, IMO.
Dems suck, but not remotely to the same depth as Republicans.
I'd hold my nose and vote for Harris again if the election were tomorrow, and for the same reason as last time. (Gestures around)
Dems run the spectrum from conservative through milquetoast to leftist. The milquetoasts seem to win most of the time.
R is 100% bigot fascist authoritarians or people for whom those things are not a dealbreaker.
They keep us arguing over ¾ of shit that happens so that they can get the ¼ through they really car about 100% of the time.
Yeah absolutely, I think it’s also important to remember dems aren’t a monolith and many have their own takes and opinions despite often being influenced by the same harmful forces.
For example, Jerry Nadler had a pretty strong endorsement of Mamdani despite being what I would perceive as a pretty standard democrat. I am hopeful that more democrats can be forced to support him and we can avoid this dem civil war narrative but we’ll have to see.
Nah, those idiots who argue for the lesser evil in a bid to push the troubles to a point they arent affected by them while millions suffer are still out in force.
It wasn't blue on blue. It was vested interests Vs a genuine candidate. The state of NY voted trump in, not because they like him, because they didn't want the democrat party. This party as a tool of the corporations is finished. You're watching its death throes.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-elections/new-york-president-results
NY State voted for Kamala.
LOL I skipped right over that bit.
NY voted for Kamala?
This party as a tool of the corporations is finished. You’re watching its death throes.
This is the most optimistic take I've seen and I like it.
this reads like someone who is more mad at Democrats than they are at Republicans, and also didn't vote last year
Hi. I voted for Harris last year. I am also more mad at the Democrats than the Republicans. The Republicans are doing project 2025 and everything they ran on. The Democrats can't do shit. They suck at being opposition. They broke the filibuster record for NO REASON. Not to prevent a trump appointment. Just because they want theatre politics. They are still voting for them, so yeah I'm more mad at the controlled opposition because I thought they would be actual opposition.
NOW the DNC wants to form some unified front? NOW? Really after all of these people VOTED for him. They are clowns and need to be replaced. Making a third party might not be viable but taking over the DNC like trump did the rnc is.
"You must have not voted" is a liberal's equivalent of a Zionist's "you're an anti-Semite!"
Yes. A lost of people didn't vote in the US elections last year. The ones who don't live there make up the largest contingent. They're unlikely to blame themselves.
Two things can be true.
Democrats have let me down way more than Republicans. At least Republicans will do what they say they're gonna do.
What a bad faith comment.
I can't speak for the creator of the meme, but you have not described me.
So, an ML Leftist? Sounds about right. If we can't have the PERFECT candidate, it's best to just burn everything down in a fit of rage. Forward progress be damned, it's their way or it's a vinegary piss fit.
Observation: Democratic leaders are openly abandoning the "vote blue no matter who" standard when a leftist manages to win a major primary.
Your response: "when a centrist wins, remember to vote blue no matter who!'
"I don't think we should bomb children", "I think medial-debt shouldn't be the largest cause of bankruptcy in our country", "People should be able to oppose genocide", "cops shouldn't be able to assault innocent people without consequence"
"PERFECT candidate"
I think your definition of "perfect" might be a little off, as I think those are all fairly reasonable to ask for.
So, an ML Leftist?
That position isn't specific to ML tendencies. I personally see more anti-electoralism rhetoric from anarchists, for obvious ideological reasons.
This bullshit take is old enough to drink. I know, I was there in the year 2000 when it was born.
If they're not with Zohran, they're against Democracy.
I mean this is kind of obvious at this point that the democrats and the republicans are both anti-democracy, just one covertly and the other overtly. But still. I want more people getting loud and angry at anti-democracy democrats.
I mean at this rate with about %70 of democrats saying no to Bernie's stop arm sales motions, we can already safely assume yes they are. They have only been caring about their seats for quite a while and the deals they have made to stay on those seats do not align with the aims and interests of people like Bernie and Zohran. That is why they try to stop such candidates as ferociously as Republicans.
Yeah, you're just an Islamaphobe. I know this because you're specifically focusing on Islam, rather than every other major religion.
Spoken like a true chauvinist. The UK murdered tens of millions more in India alone under the guise of the values of enlightenment than Islam has in the past century and a half.
I'm pretty sure they're with Zohran because he's literally the DNC candidate.
Yes, of course. That must be why they tried ferociously to stop him from winning the primary with Islamophobic smears and are now freaking out that they failed, and why the corporate media (yes, even the "liberal" media) are all crashing out.
DNC doesn't even stand for anything anymore. People use it when it's not even relevant.