We beat 'em before...

Yo, I know I'm kinda late with this but please provide alt text when you're posting here in the future

Also this isn't exactly a meme either

Apologies. Alt text added!
- Thank you for adding good quality alt text! ^w
  Also I didn't mean to sound harsh in the post above, you could post similar content over on c/Socialism next time

We had help with the rest of the world.

Germany didn't get out of the third Reich by themselves (which is what is going on)

Consider that Germany was in far more dire straits economically, and Hitler's approval was crazy high even towards the end of the war (something like 60 or 70%). So the entire time the opposition was outnumbered.
In comparison, Trump's approval is around 45%.
- Look up the history. Hitler wasn't elected by a majority but appointed by an elite and then killed the opposition. There was massive opposition before, including street battles. But that's also why he got the dictatorial power. Apporoval means nothing if people obey executive orders.
- Once white people are getting vanned for lack of patriotic fevour I'm sure Trumps ratings will increase, too.
Germany didn't want to, at least not a majority. Maybe if Germans would have known where it was going (unwinnable war vs all neighbours at once etc), they would have tried early. US Americans have the advantage of this knowledge.
- Look where having the advantage of this knowledge got us.
This sounds like the defeatist attitude they want you to have. Just give up, it's hopeless. No one is helping you.
No, I don't think I will. I think I'll do something. We need more people feeling empowered to take back this country. Not thoughts of hopelessness.
LOL 'help'
The Soviets killed 85% of the nazi troops.
The rest was all other countries combined.
And they would've been on the Atlantic in no time without trouble if the allies hadn't come in to take a piece of the European loot.
The nazi's enemy were the communists.
They didn't fight as much against the west which gave them all the chances to surrender and escape punishment.

By killing them. You can't defeat a nazi in debate, but you can hang them.

You can’t defeat a nazi in debate
Yes, you can. As long as you're not a liberal.

We never beat them.

The west ensured that Nazism survived, filling the ranks of West Germany's security services with them and then institutionalising fascist terrorist groups all throughout Europe through it's "Gladio" networks. Japan's economy was essentially just handed back to the very same pack of colonialists and industrialists that had fuelled Japan's imperialism in the 20s.

Hell, even the Romanian Communist Party got in on the act - those vicious Iron Guard bastards were just too good at torture and murder to pass up, I guess.

So no... we never beat them.

Maybe it's too pedantic of me but I think we beat them. We failed to fix the corrupted system that spawned them. The inequity and the propaganda, The oligarchs pitting a us against each other. Marginalizing groups as scapegoats.
We (the US) let those little those freedom checks and balances we were touted in school be destroyed with barely a whimper
- Scratch a fascist and a liberal bleeds - see, that's how you can tell that we did not, in fact, defeat the fascists - if we did, liberalism would be dead and buried, too.
  Instead, we allowed "liberal democracy" to nurse fascism back to health, hone it's murderousness by using it as a tool of colonialist domination, and pretend to be shocked when these fascists just suddenly show up to protect their precious capitalist status quo back home in the imperial core.
  None of that was an accident - when we say fascism is just colonialism coming home to roost we don't mean it figuratively.
- You're wrong, they did not fail it was intentionally.
  US/UK made sure plenty of fascists escaped after surrendering to them.
  Kept them in power in all of Europe with a slap on the wrist at most.
  How many nazis where trialed at the Nuremberg virtue signaling trials? 24.
  NATO literally had fascist regimes in it, Spain, Portugal, Greece.
  Even leading NATO/EU and various countries. .
  All of this has been swept under the carpet.
  https://ebeggin.substack.com/p/ratlines-nato-and-the-fourth-reich
  https://www.yanisvaroufakis.eu/2024/01/12/nato-as-seen-from-one-who-grew-up-under-us-sponsored-neofascism-unherd/
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UB_Gs-0dhOo
- LOL, even the Naz!s knew the problem with that! "(c) that non-Germans shall be prohibited by law from participating financially in or influencing German newspapers, and that the penalty for contravening such a law shall be the suppression of any such newspaper, and the immediate deportation of the non-Germans involved. The publishing of papers which are not conducive to the national welfare must be forbidden."
  Of course, then they then go too far with: "We demand the legal prosecutions of all those tendencies in art and literature which corrupt our national life, and the suppression of cultural even which violate this demand."
- You are doing a fantastic job of pitting one group against another, so apparently knowing the problem doesnt make you immune to it.

Pepe did nothing wrong

Yeah I thought we had moved past this whole pepe is alt-right thing. He's a beloved little goof.
- The Nazis can take my little pepes out of my cold dead hands

It's already been done. I've seen tons of regular ho-hum non-racist Pepes the past few years since Matt Furie killed off the character in the official comics.
- I mean the vast vast majority of them have always been innocuous. The racist ones were always very rare pepes
Be the change you want to see in the world.
They never had pepe on their side it was just a scam
From the only licensed Pepe plush.
From Boy’s Club comics to appropriated alt right symbol (WT actual F tho), Pepe has often been misunderstood. That's why we work with his creator Matt Furie to make the only officially licensed Pepe toy out there. Feels good man.
We partner with youth shelters and people who care to make sure all of our goodies do some good...ies.
no

But the call is coming from inside the house this time.

The call was always coming from inside the house - fascism is just colonialism coming home to roost, after all.
- “Fascism is imperialism turned inwards.”
Yeah, the two most prominent examples of fascism in history (Germany and Italy) were only beaten by a combined military power much, much greater than them. Even as they were literally being bombed into rubble and their military situation was beyond hopeless, they never overthrew their fascist leaders.
- Maybe they're only the most prominent b/c they weren't stopped?
  Remember the mid-2000's Ukrainians Orange revolution? I wouldn't be surprised you don't b/c those fasciat losers were stopped from within, so we don't talk about them too often. Which is good, honestly.
- Yep. And the most prominent fascist power that wasn't overthrown externally (Francoist Spain) lasted 40 years until it's demogogue died. The reason it wasn't a bigger problem for the world at large was that it was a politically isolated minor power.
  The world hasn't yet seen something like an (openly) fascist modern USA.
- Japan killed well over twenty million people.
I came here to write this exact statement I'm glad to see somebody else already did.
Bingpot!

Down with MAGA!

https://generalstrikeus.com/

The USA supported the Nazis in the beginning and were reluctant to intervene. Then we did and took all the credit. It was to weaken Russia. Now the world is a global capitalist hellhole. Chynah is capitalist and Russia is capitalist. You are a subject. You are not free. Freedom is relative and bound by natural law. Unions need leverage. Thank gawd all men die.

It was for a variety of reasons that all aligned ~~when German u-boats sank the lusitania.~~. Wait that was WW1. I've gotta go read some wikipedia.

More left victory memes for the cause ❤️

That's the spirit - we'll win if we just post enough memes! C'mon, who's with me? Let's get scrollin!

Unionists versus the confederates all over again, history definitely repeats itself

The unionist versus confederate war never ended, it just went into a cold war phase for awhile and is now heating up again.

Bro leave Pepe out of this ;w;

And this time can we forgo the special treatments for "usefuls"?

Like, for example, the commander of unit 731, who is a mass murderer and mass torturer, but since he had some medical data (which turned out to be worthless anyway) he got a new identity and enjoyed a nice free life

So say "we" as if we are in charge.
- lemmy is full of people that hate fascists. simple as.
- "There isn't a genocide happening..."
  Do you mean besides the one in Gaza, where U.S. money and munitions have been facilitating the bombing and starvation of children for over a year?
  My question is rhetorical. If you have a response, I'm not interested in hearing it.
- Fuck off, you piece of shit.

Would we have beat the nazis if they just stayed in Germany?

Nope. The US, UK and France weren't waging war on fascism in any way whatsoever - they were waging war on rival empires.
That's the whole reason they never went to war with Francoist Spain - they helped him into power, after all.
Nope, they sat by and watched as Germany sunk into fascism and began their ethic cleansing and putting people in cattle cars to take to camps, if Germany had never invaded Poland they would've continued to sit by and do fuck all.
- After Germany invaded Poland they have continued to sit by and do about fuck all for a year.
In Spain the fascist stayed in Spain, participation on ww2 was very small and Franco betrayed Hitler as soon as he saw he was going to lose, so there was no reason for the USA to invade Spain and we got 40 years of fascist dictatorship.

That's the spirit 👍

Yeah we beat them when they were them, but now they're us.

They were us back then too, and we still beat them.
- No. There's a gigantic difference between nazis speaking freely and nazis running the country.

Put on a russian, blue hat with red arrow and winni puh too <3

The trouble is: the poster misrepresents the situation. The guy wearing the red hat is the one holding the rifle and bayonet this time.

So were the nazis. We just out rifle'd and bayonette'd them.
- I've been saying for a while that the left in the US needs to embrace the 2nd ammendment.
  Dark times are fast approaching... be prepared
I'm being downvoted for pointing out an obvious discrepancy, one that needs to be recognized and reckoned with?
In WW2 the full federal might of the United States government and armed forces were aligned against the Axis.
Which side is the administration on now? Against whom were the National Guard and Marines deployed against this week? Reality check time.
Does it make you feel better to lash out and rage against people who agree with you, who are on your side and opposed to the bullshit we're all facing? Slipping into a comfy fantasy, where we imagine the "good guys" have the guns and power this time, isn't productive, unless it's motivating you to arm yourself and build solidarity. Do you have your rifle and bayonet? I do. Are you supporting people who are with you, or are you just sitting in your chair screaming at the wrong people on the Internet?
Sounds like you better fix that

The Soviets beat them. LOL
Shows how much you 'socialists' know.

No country alone beat them. The Soviets did more than the others but it wasn't them alone
- 85 fucking percent.
  You can dislike that all you want, these are facts.

Guys you lost.

Last time, the French resisted and we helped when we and England showed up.

Now we are resisting, while we wait for backup from the French and English.

And yet notice that no Western democracy has condemned this.
When Iran protests and the police get violent against them, the west condemns them and pledges supports for democracy and yet here there's silence.
- Hitler was very popular in the US and UK until about 1938...
  All that resisting and fighting took place once War had started. We left the Jews, LGBT, Socialists, disabled people, Roma, Poland and Checkoslovakia, and dissenting Germans to be rolled over and ground up first because potential woke-socialist mind virus was scarier than literal fascism.
- That's because their "morals and values" are a complete lie, anyway.
  Theyre hypocrites, claiming to support human rights yet directly backing multiple genocides/unjust invasions (Palestine/Yemen/Sudan/Iraq as an example), championing democracy and then couping democratically elected leaders that disobey them, for far-right, religious dictators that bow down to them (operation cyclone, chile, assassination of Sankara, Suez crisis, etc), and this (NOT EVEN) all happened in less than 80 years. There's way too much to cover in a single comment.
  Edit: just for clarity, this isn't just directed to the US; The west in general.
- Not saying that these protests aren't getting suppressed but: The Iranian Police didn't use rubber bullets to shoot protesters. They actually shot protesters. They abducted a 16 year old girl, raped and beat her to death and 2 weeks later returned the body to the family, claiming she committed suicide.
  They hanged at least 8 people for protesting. The Iranian state didn't just get violent, they slaughtered their citizens in the streets.
- Have we asked them yet?
I don't think we'll be getting any backup this time, it's up to us.
- IMO, other nations like Canada, Germany, and so forth will have relations with the Blue States in a civil war. Trump's regime is a terrible trading partner, dishonest, evil, abrasive, and generally just unlikable for anyone who has good sense or pragmatism. During the 1st American Civil War, the South had major issues, because they didn't have much trade with Europe - which meant supply shortages, a lack of wealth, and so forth. That cotton may have been picked by slaves, but isn't going to become lucre if it sits in a warehouse.
  After awhile, when the Blue States have a more formal coalition, I think Europe will go beyond trade to offer war support. That is the sort of thing that needs troops to be readied, mentally and materially. It would be kinda like how America was in the leadup to Pearl Harbor. We were doing stuff to indirectly support the Allies, even if our blood wasn't spilt.
- I don’t think we’ll be getting any backup this time, it’s up to us.
  If you don't, you're screwed - bullets don't grow on trees... not even in the US.
from my central european perspective, currently there is not much we could do. It is an matter of internal US politics, and on the grand scale, it's not like your whole country is on fire. Sure, we can send harsh letters or something, but i don't think our input would even make it on the topics debated in congress. And everything else like military action would just make us the enemy. i don't think there is anything that would unite the US faster than that - under TACOs banner, so thats the last thing you want (ignoring that we couldn't even pull something like this off without help from China, noone else comes even close in military strength. don't forget, you guys have the strongest airforce, and then the second strongest airforce, and i think the 4th strongest airforce is US too)
so, you have my moral support, and i can post in your support, but i think thats about it until you are deep into civil war territory. sorry 😟
while we wait for backup from the French and English
You're going to be waiting a long, long time.

A socialist party who does dragnet operations on socialists, communists and trade unionists.
Very socialist, that.

I'm old now and I'm still not a Nazi, fuck off.
Fuck this nonsense, you’re just a kowtowing coward fuck, I have become far more progressive in my old age. You’re just a fucking coward and a tool making excuses for your lack of spine, we are not all as weak as you.
"nooo, don't call the fascists fascists, they are just conservatives pining for a non-existent, ethnopurist, mythical past while deporting people to camps using emergency powers. That's like, totally not fascism."