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Iran warns Israel it will intervene if Gaza operation continues, report claims

www.independent.co.uk

Iran has told Israel through the UN that it will intervene if the country’s operations against Hamas in Gaza continue, a report has claimed.

Israel has warned 1.1 million people living in the north of the enclave to evacuate ahead of an expected ground operation in Gaza with the IDF planning to strike the territory from land, sea and air.

Iran’s involvement could be through a militant group from Syria or by backing Hezbollah to join the conflict, diplomatic sources told Axios.

Meanwhile, Iran’s foreign minister Hossein Amirabdollahian said that Israel’s operations could cause fighting to expand to other areas of the Middle East which would cause Israel to suffer “a huge earthquake”, reported the Associated Press.

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Israel is 110% not going to heed this warning in the absolute slightest.
- Iran does not pose a credible military threat to Israel. They only have a couple of options - terrorist attacks from their proxies, maybe a cross-border incursion from Lebanon that would be a slaughter and change the balance of power there, or an air strike. Israel is so amped up right now that they’d respond with airstrikes inside Iran, and US carrier groups are in the area with no misunderstanding as to what they signify.
  This is saber-rattling for theatrics.
  
  Iran are not wrong though, Israel need to chill.
  It’s really annoying how the mainstream media is like yeah this is cool, when they’re commuting atrocities no better than Hamas committed.
  I don’t know what it is with Israel that makes the world walk on eggshells but they have committed horrific acts and they should be called out on it.
  Fucking monsters the Israeli government are.
  
  Yeah, the only thing Israel is concerned about is the international reputation. They know they can't go full ham, even now every western government in support is dropping the "and I am SURE Israel will keep to international law" as a hint and reminder that there is a limit somewhere.
  
  Also Israel had nukes and Iran doesn't yet
  
  What about ballistic missiles? Iran has it...
  
  A nuclear threat would change that.
  
  It's signaling to the region.
  Israel has a strong military for sure but they can't fight every country. Also, declaring war on the Muslim world is not something Israel can win even with Western support.
  
  And did you say Russia was just saber-rattling back when they invaded Ukraine?
- They may tighten down some screws in preparation.
- USA already issued a response after the statement from Iran, wanting to avoid a larger war.
- Why would they?
  
  Clearly the statement from Iran had some impact, USA already released a statement that they want to avoid a larger conflict.
- Doesn't that seem unethical, even if it might be lucrative?
  
  If it's good enough for elected US representatives, it's good enough for me.
  
  The true answer is unequivocally yes. Fuck everyone who says otherwise trying to justify this ghoulish shit.
  
  I would argue the whole system is unethical. Capitalism has never bothered itself with ethics. That said, it's arguably even more unethical.
  
  Ethics are a social construct and are subjective. Thus - irrelevant.
  
  Not really, people have a right to defend themselves, and security is a human right.
- So you expect that at some point in the future of mankind, there will be a period with no active conflict and weapons snuggling? 😂 my sweet child...
  
  I think snuggling weapons is weird but one of the best uses for them
  
  weapons snuggling
  I wish
  
  So you expect that at some point in the future of mankind, there will be a period with no active conflict and weapons snuggling?
  As soon as we can learn to share resources and land.
  
  From a Sci-Fi show about dyson spheres and habitats: "Where man goes, war will follow." Made me sad, because I guess it's true.
So this could widen to Israel/USA/UN(?) vs Iran/Syria/Lebanon(Hezbollah)/Gaza(Hamas) which would essentially be The War on Terror II. Which means another ~20yrs in the Middle East. Oh goody.
- Raytheon💦
  
  Lockheed 📈📈📈
  
  time to invest in knife missiles
- Just what the world needs. I am getting some faint WWI vibes too. Maybe I am just being paranoid. But it seems like this could expand to more middle eastern countries than you've listed, should things go horribly wrong. I could also see this being turned into another proxy war—revenge by Russia for Western support for Ukraine.
  
  I'm worried it might go further than that and devolve into a full-blown WWIII. I know that may seem far-fetched, especially since Israel isn't technically part of NATO, however the US is still a major Israeli ally. If Iran gets involved, it'll likely pull the US into the fight (though probably not with troops on the ground initially). If the US gets involved, Russia might get involved to keep the US busy and away from Ukraine. If Iran starts to become successful with Russian backing, the US might start putting troops on the ground to defend Israel, especially since if Israel collapses then Hamas will almost certainly commit genocide against Jewish Israelis. This would pull attention away from Taiwan, which means China may be tempted to seize the chance and invade while the US is getting spread thin. Meanwhile, Russia would likely seize the opportunity to make a hard push against Ukraine while the US is busy elsewhere. I'm not sure what India would do in this situation. I'm guessing that if China invaded Taiwan, then they might try to take the chance and fortify their borders while China's busy and maybe back up Taiwan, if for any reason just to limit China's global power; however I'm not really familiar with India's diplomatic ties.
  I hope I'm wrong, I'm probably wrong, but there's a lot of tension in the world right now with Russia and China both trying to expand into other territories, and I honestly feel like we aren't that far off a full-blown, WWI-style descent into another world war. I wouldn't be surprised if Russia in particular is trying to push Iran into a war with Israel just so that the US quits funding Ukraine's defense.
  
  Well at least this time it won't involve trench warfare, the deserts have too much sand that'll fill back into any we try to dig!
  
  I do not think you are paranoid. Maybe not straight out world war, but more war in the Middle East and Northern Africa. Egypt for example is suspiciously silent in the matter, although they are already trying to negotiate with Israel to curb the influx of Palestinian refugees. They sit straight at the border and their help for people in Gaza is still just discussed. I am sure they know other countries are watching their decisions on this.
  Some people do not want to accept it but this is very much a war between religions as well. For many Muslims there is only one correct answer: Israel has to go. It's part of their identity to want the area to be a Muslim country. This also has an effect on countries everywhere. For example in Germany there is a huge drive to stand behind Israel in this matter. At the same time, Germany has a big Muslim immigrant population.
- Let's see how long that continues if Iran gets in on this.
  
  And the UN codemn the Hamas terrorist attacks, so what's your point? And what occupation?
  
  The UN is always in favor of condemning Israel. It's their favorite past time.
- MIC: rubbing-hands.gif
And this can easily lead to more wars in the Middle East. Once more, innocent will die, and soldiers will not return home because stupid bloodlusting leaders of Israel, Iran, and Hamas just can't get enough blood.
- This could easily lead to WW3.....
  
  Nobody is starting a ww for the middle east... It might lead to more proxy wars.
  
  Maybe, but this could also be just another Tuesday in the middle east.
Real question: why is the us so involved with israel?
Is it just a "sunk cost fallacy" thing or is it any more than that?
It feels weird sinking so much money for someone else's wars over so many decades.. like trillions over wars and apart from ukraine recently its been always and only israel demanding the aid
- Real question: why is the us so involved with israel?
  they're meant to be a main ally in the middle east for the US
  most of the other countries are either allied with Russia/China/Iran/etc or too unstable
  there's also massive israel lobbying in the US https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_lobby_in_the_United_States
  
  tbh kinda the US's only ally. Turkey kinda is, and Saudi Arabia really just sells us oil.
- The US is a global, industrial empire. To maintain that position, we need to make sure threats to our influence are kept to a minimum, and we need to provide security to the global trade system that we and our allies benefit from. Israel is aligned with the West culturally and ideologically, and so it's a natural partner, and given its location in an oil-rich region, right next to the Suez Canal, and a stone's throw from or bordering several of our major global adversaries' proxies, it's a natural and necessary ally.
  Anything else, like the Evangelicals' bizarre obsession, is purely coincidence or post-facto.
  
  And there is that Islamists on the other side. Indonesians (muslims) really detest America and Israel, for example.
  Funny thing is Christians and other minor religion followers support Israel because of local tension (minorities are suppressed in Indonesia).
- Half of evangelicals support Israel because they believe it is important for fulfilling end-times prophecy
  According to prophecy, Israel must exist to bring about rapture, when Jesus's followers will ascend to heaven and everyone else will be killed. Since they are not followers of Christ all Israelis would be killed.
  https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/politics/wp/2018/05/14/half-of-evangelicals-support-israel-because-they-believe-it-is-important-for-fulfilling-end-times-prophecy/
  
  They probably think they're s clever. "Silly Jews, you think you've got such a good deal with all this free money but wait until the magic sky man comes and murders every one of you in cold blood because that's what somebody who claims to love people does, murders billions of them, and you're first! Ha ha. Silly magic sky man, doesn't even know about all the loopholes."
- Corruption and money laundering through the military complex. I mean who needs free medical care anyways, right? That's for European commies.
- Evangelical caucus believes that the Jews trying to build the third temple will make the rapture happen.
  Dumbfucks can't even read their own book right.
- We have a lot of enemies out that way and so do they, so we became allies and support them because it's in our best interest. We keep supporting them because apparently they've held up whatever end of the bargain we request and for the US money is easy.
  
  Yeah they just print more of it
- Almost all that money ends up back in the United States.
- Well a few years back a group of really nasty people tried to murder every Jewish person. Then a thing or two happened, the USA nuked a few cities because the State in which those cities existed allied themselves with the people that wanted to murder all the Jews.
  Now, we have the back of the Jews, and one of Hamas' stated purposes is to murder all the Jews. Makes sense we'd be interested in keeping that from happening. Genocide is kind of a bad thing.
  
  Big yikes. History revisionist.
- Because the US realises that the goal of groups like Hamas and Hisbollah from Iran, and many other extremist Muslim groups, is to get rid of all Jews in the area. But it seems like on Lemmy many people are okay with genocide, as long as it targets the "right" group of people.
  
  There were/are many genocides over the past 70 years for which the US had/has the chance to intervene. If this was really our goal, why haven't/don't we step in for them?
  
  But it seems like on Lemmy many people are okay with genocide, as long as it targets the “right” group of people.
  There are also many who do not want to see anyone get hurt.
- The only reason the US wouldn't be on the side of the European colonists bringing god and civilization to a deserted wasteland full of annoying houses and mysteriously angry natives is antisemitism. Once that calmed down criticizing Israel is criticizing US history and that would be woke.
Proxy war between the US and Iran
- I think if Iran steps in with feet on the ground, the US probably will too, unfortunately.
  Fucking Nicky Hailey is foaming at the mouth for it to happen.
  
  Iran won't go officially. They'll just pay Hezbollah to go in.
- Close, but look above Iran and you'll see even more strings.
  
  Elaborate?
Oh the rogue nation wants to play along? Isn't supporting the Russians against my country enough?
- The Palestinians are in the same position as Ukraine, if not further down. Ukraine has been lucky to have Western support, the other path was to end up like Palestine.
  
  when did Ukraine supported and voted for a degenerated terror militia that wants to eradicate the Jews? I must have missed that...
As if Iran's fingers weren't in the fucking pot from the start of this shit show. Bitch we've got the receipts that you all but handed Hamas the plans for their little murder rape and pillaging expedition.
- For real. This is so blatantly a play by Iran to drive a wedge between Israel and the Islamic nations it has recently been normalizing relations with - UAE, Bahrain, Sudan, Morocco... They were in talks with Saudi Arabia, and that would have been a bridge too far.
  
  And of course, predictably, Israel responded exactly according to plan.
- Source?
  
  https://www.wsj.com/world/middle-east/iran-israel-hamas-strike-planning-bbe07b25
  https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/13/world/middleeast/hamas-iran-israel-attack.html
  Not sure if that's the type of source parent was referencing. My understanding of the consensus among certain groups is that the point of this conflict, from Iran's perspective, is to make it unappealing for Saudi Arabia to normalize relations with Israel --- which may be exactly what they're getting, e.g.: https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/10/14/saudi-arabia-puts-israel-deal-on-ice-amid-war-engages-with-iran-report
  
  lol you're aware Iran wants to erase Israel out of the map, right?
Isn't this the plot to Arma 3? Does Iran have the East wind Device?!
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This is the best summary I could come up with:
Israel has warned 1.1 million people living in the north of the enclave to evacuate ahead of an expected ground operation in Gaza with the IDF planning to strike the territory from land, sea and air.
Iran’s involvement could be through a militant group from Syria or by backing Hezbollah to join the conflict, diplomatic sources told Axios.
Mr Amirabdollahian said that he would be contacting UN officials in the region as “there is still an opportunity to work on an initiative (to end the war) but it might be too late tomorrow.”
More than 2,000 people have been killed in Hamas-controlled Gaza since Israel launched retaliatory airstrikes, the Palestinian health ministry said on Saturday.
Following the Hamas attacks, Israel announced a “complete siege” on the enclave and tens of thousands have now left their homes in Gaza to get away from the combat zone.
And on Saturday Israeli prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu told troops in southern Israel that “The next stage is coming”
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WW3 here we go
- Nah, it'll be more like Proxy War 37
Hm, Israel might be about to get more that it asked for..
- They didn't ask for this and it's not like they'll even respond to a threat this empty.
  
  The topic of what they did and did not ask for can be discussed at long, to say the least.

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