BBC journalists held at gunpoint by Israeli police

Don't forget "Collateral Murder":

On July 12, 2007, a series of air-to-ground attacks were conducted by a team of two U.S. AH-64 Apache helicopters in Al-Amin al-Thaniyah, New Baghdad, during the Iraqi insurgency which followed the invasion of Iraq. On April 5, 2010, the attacks received worldwide coverage and controversy following the release of 39 minutes of classified gunsight footage by WikiLeaks. The video, which WikiLeaks titled Collateral Murder, showed the crew firing on a group of people and killing several of them, including two Reuters journalists, and then laughing at some of the casualties, all of whom were civilians. An anonymous U.S. military official confirmed the authenticity of the footage, which provoked global discussion on the legality and morality of the attacks.

God I remember during the George Floyd protests our CEO sent an email statement that was basically "blue lives matter". I was happy to leave that company.

No good guys in wars.

Heh, I had a similar reaction when reading a similar email. There certainly have been "Horrific terrorist attacks". Except from all sides.. for many decades...

Our CEO was careful and only mentioned support for the Israeli employees and didn't mention any conflict.

And we're donating to the Red Cross. I think it makes sense.

There was a controversial and sexist bait letter someone at Google wrote before being let go and it was heavily propped up by right wing media as an example and justification that everything Google does from now on is left wing because they're cancelling this poor sexist man.

My first long term job's company instructed HR to print out the letter and give a strong endorsement of it for seemingly no reason. It basically just read to me as, "Women have strongsuits other than business success like emotions and raising children and their lack of pay is actually justified and good." that they wanted to come from our female head of HR as opposed to our do nothing remote from Florida male CEO. These rich people are no smarter than anyone else, they just use bigger words as they stick their foot down their own throat.

CEO suddenly emailed out a "terrorism is never ok" email early this week expressing concern and acknowledging the pain of the Hamas attacks...as if anything has occured in a vacuum there in the last 60 years.

I do not apologize for the murders by Hamas over the weekend, just as I do not for the now even more retaliatory murders by Israel this week or any killings on either side for decades. Montagues and Capulets both were assholes.

The idea any organizational head from some random industry in a foreign country could even understand the basic dynamics, let alone decades of murder and loss on both sides, and still make a statement that would in any way walk a line of objectivity is so startlingly naive it boggles the mind. And other than their fucking irrepressible egoism, they would claim they're doing this for their employees? Company? Just STFU when you don't know the field of play!

True, ‘good thems’

Sorry.

Wild to me that you conflated Netanyahu and Trump, rather than Israel and Hamas. But either way, I agree.

I don’t think what Hamas has done is “cool, chill and dope”, but I certainly understand living under the violence of apartheid and becoming violent yourself.

Especially when your prayer, worship and protest are met with military action by your “supervisor”(?)

What else are you supposed to do if you’re a Palestinian? They can’t even live a normal day of peace, that doesn’t exist for them.

What the fuck. Who are they listening to? I have also heard the "UN genocide definition is wrong" argument - but because it's incomplete. The UN definition is too strict to categorize all genocides into.

Shooting from tbe hip on this exact stat, but 10 - 15% of the population of Gaza is over 25. Gaza is basically 2 million children and teenagers. Whom all have PTSD.

why would they have to be stupid?

Have you not been paying attention? Israel literally gets away with murder. day in and day out. People and countries are bending over backwards to ignore every atrocity, human rights violation, and warcrime, to paint them as a poor victim.

I guarantee they could have shot those BBC reporters, execution style, in the street, on film, and absolutely nothing would have come from it.

Here's the story of the journalist they killed (and at least six they injured) today

Yeah, especially considering the initial attack was likely somewhat related to trying to stop Israel and Saudi Arabia's growing friendship, but can anyone name a country that wouldn't demand vengeance after the atrocities at the music festivals and overrun communities?

The attack was designed to be brutal to force a brutal response, probably designed to be like that by Iranian religious fanatics who couldn't care less about the Palestinian population as long as they're a good weapon to use against Israel.

None of that justifies Israel doing awful things but it does make it harder to think about.

Probably something less than genocide and killing unaffiliated reporters

A well executed police raid to drag Hamas' leadership out

This is 1,000,000% corruption coming from the head, so chopping off the head will go a long way towards ending Hamas' problem causing.

Problem is that Netenyahu trying this is what got Hamas into power in the first place because he decided he wanted a replacement govt to be a hateable enemy so I'm not too hopeful

Ground invasion to search and destroy Hamas, while securing and protecting civilians.

Well first of all military response, proportionate or not, is meaningless in such a conflict. Israel is feeding Hamas who's in turn feeding Israel etc etc, so the answer is to work on securing peace rather than radicalize the Gazan population more (because God knows after this shit they'll be out for blood), but if there needs to be a military response it should at least follow Israel's own roof knocking policy, which they're not following in these attacks, where they drops small non explosive rounds to warn civilians to evacuate before bombing their homes (which is also bad but less bad than indiscriminate murder). See also: Not using actual fucking white phorphorus, not bombing routes and locations they designated as safe, and definitely not bombing hospitals and ambulances. These are all things the IDF has been confirmed doing in the past few days. Usually the response to Hamas attacks is airstrikes, but the last time anything like what we're seeing now happened was in 2014.

Ignoring morals and ethics and focusing mostly on historic precedent?

Firebombing a few city blocks. Possibly letting the angry young soldiers run wild on the civilian populace under the guise of getting "justice" for the civilians that hamas brutalized.

That is more or less "war". You raid one of my towns, I'll raid two of yours. Ends when one side has been beaten into submission.

Actively attacking third party civilians is not. The IDF has a very long history of doing this.