What were you ahead on the curve of in hating?

I spent years trying to convince my friends and family that Elon musk sucks, and then he just went off the deepend. Im glad it's widely known how much he sucks now, but damn i wish it didnt take so long.

Now if only people knew who Peter Thiel was

I disliked him back when he was that dick from PayPal cosplaying as an automotive engineer and pretending he knew more than actual experts.
I started to loathe him after the pedo guy stunt where he slandered a caving expert for pointing out Musk’s submarine was a death trap publicity stunt.
- Yeah, that was the "oh, shit" moment for me too. I bought into the bullshit until that point.

Twitter. I always thought a text-based blog-like thing with a short character limit was a terrible idea.

Why did you think it was a terrible idea?
- It encourages hot takes over nuance, or awkward workarounds like replying to your own post a bunch of times if you actually have something to say.
  I still think it's a terrible idea for something like that to be popular and have an important role in society, though its addition of images and video mitigate the problems a bit. I don't know whether it significantly impacted the platform's success and eventual sale price. $44B is a lot of money, so I can't say it was a terrible decision from the perspective of its creators.
- Promotes lazy thinking that can be expressed in 240 characters and makes expressing more complex thoughts structurally more difficult
I always liked the idea of twitter but then humans human'd all over it. If everyone agreed to only use it for sensible things I'd love it so much. Useful announcements and updates and so on.
If I follow a singer for instance, I want to hear about concert announcements, album release dates and the like. I don't want my feed filled with their opinions on global economics or hot dog condiments.
- It sounds like you want an RSS feed of the singer's events page on their own website.
  In 2025, they might not have one because social media has replaced that (poorly), but in 2010 they probably would.

MrBeast.

My reaction, the first time I saw him: I don't like you, jerk-off

Google. Been trying to de-google for over a decade. Many of my random asks for alternatives have been answered with "just use google, it's free".

Biggest problem is phones because I hate Apple more than Google. Every 6 months or so I look into linux phones, but walk away unimpressed.

I think the best you can do for phones is get one with good hardware and put a degoogled ROM on it
- Yea, I've checked LineageOS and a few others out, but my phone isn't supported.
  That's what I get for also hating selfie camera notches/cutouts. Most of the phones I get aren't popular models. If you know of one for the Nubia Z60 Ultra, point it out.

I hated Donald Trump long before he became president.

I can't claim that one because people were hating him before I was born.
I didn't had idea of who Donald Trump was till he was president. Can I say "If I knew who Donald Trump was I'm pretty sure I'd hated him."?
I know it sounds trite but his hostility towards Rosie O'donell back in '06-'07 cemented my disdain for him.

Like someone else in this thread mentioned, Elon. I hated him well before he started doing really assholeish stuff publicly. I had plenty of liberal friends who thought he was cool and edgy and bought not-a-flamethrowers and Tesla cars. When the soccer team got trapped in a cave in Thailand and Elon called the rescue team pedophiles, I was like "I knew that guy had to be a total asshole". Of course, now I know that was not even the tip of the iceberg.

I think I was ahead of the curve hating on "generative AI".

Bill Gates. I hated him for being a big part of the rise of proprietary software as an institution long before the right wing conspiracy theorists started making up bullshit about him. Which is annoying because now I have to tell people I hate Gates but not because I think he's putting 5G microchips in vaccines or whatever bullshit.

Facebook is probably a pretty good example. I quit Facebook in like 2008. Not that nobody was talking about how evil Facebook was at the time, but their evil wasn't really as well known at the time, I don't think.

I'm realizing a lot of these are technology-related.

Social media. Started strong in the mid 2000's, peaked in features and quality and social usefulness in the early 2010's and around 2014 they started removing features and enshittify because they got their core userbase and, once locked in, they could milk them.

Remeber when facebook was about "connecting with old friends" and you could search by city, age range and a whole lot of filters? Or when YouTube was "broadcast yourself" and could fully customize your channel page? Then they reduced it to a stupid banner that got smaller and smaller.

Bonus: everything that relies on infinite growth to keep cost down. I was skeptical of streaming services and guess what, they suck because they operated at loss for years, because "more future customers pay for the present ones"

Russell brand, back when he was just a homeopathic, somewhat progressive pseudo-intellectual moron. I remember specifically avoiding Get Him to the Greek bc I thought he was a creep, didn't think he'd actually be charged with SA though. His pivot to manosphere right wing bullshit doesn't get enough attention, bc of worse people like Rogan.

Same, I disliked him even before the Andrew Sachs business. His stand up was gross. He hid his behaviour behind the veneer of progressiveness.

Twitter. Just never saw the point.

I've hated Harry Potter since the first book came out - someone lent it to me and I gave up after 100 pages cos it was shite and really badly written.

Is it finally safe to admit I was always more of a Twilight fan?
- This is your safe place 😊

Drake

Fuck Drake

Joe Rogan. I described him many years ago as "the reality TV equivalent for podcast dudebros" and my (largely well educated, liberal) friend group jumped down my throat for it. Apparently I was being judgemental and shouldn't judge people for their entertainment choices.

Called my shot.

Tesla/Musk.

Back in 2014 Tesla and Ecotricity had an agreement to upgrade Ecotricity's charging network to be compatible with Tesla's superchargers. Tesla whined that it wasn't being rolled out fast enough. Ecotricity wasn't a very big company and was basically working for free, so asked Tesla to actually support the roll out if they needed it faster. Musk went mental has been trying to destroy the company ever since. The 2014 Tesla patent release was never about collaboration or saving the planet, he just hoped somebody, somewhere would use it to undermine Ecotricity.

I moved to the bay area in 2012, absolutely hated Musk back then and thought all of his success was hanging onto other's coattails and good timing (which fair enough, is a skill + huge privilege in and of itself, but isn't the same as inventing/engineering) but he was really popular here. He continued to reveal himself to be more and more of a shitheel over the years and I got to slowly see everybody I knew and worked with eventually come around to the same opinion I had held for more than a decade.
I liked the OG Tesla Model S (I know there was a roadster before it). But the other models just didn't do it for me. The X, 3, and Y are all oddly proportioned. And the interiors on the 3 and Y are just not good. I know Tesla fans will excuse the lack of instrument cluster and other missing features that are standard on other vehicles, but no thanks.
And the Cybertruck is just straight-up bizarre.

Facebook, Twitter, "influencers", most social media in general.

Lemmy (and Reddit) are social media, but my brain keys them more as forums rather than lumping them in with other social media.

- felt more like an insult
  I certainly use the term as a pejorative, hence the quotes in my original comment.

Plastic, the patriot act, the Iraq war, AI, the internet, social media, I managed to avoid all platforms except Facebook which my spouse talked me into after months of trying to get me to join and finally deleted it recently, I kind of just hate tech in general, the never ending cycle of “upgrades” that actually make your life significantly shittier, competition, gender roles, giant SUVs, porn, extremely exotic pets, Tesla (test drove a high end model when it first came out and said it was like eating cafeteria food off a really nice tray and didn’t buy it) I’m sure plenty more… as an elder millennial the rise of the 21st century has just been so incredibly disappointing and shallow.

Many of these things and one aspect in common, they rely on either appearances or "trust me bro" level of empty promises. I was always told I was too skeptical and untrustful, but maybe it's people that trust too much what a salesman is selling you. I'm of the idea that the good things are the one you discover snd enjoy, not the ones that announce to the whole world how awesome they are.

The stock market. Only when society collapses due to climate change and whatnot the Western hoi polloi will realize it had become a cancerous pyramid scheme that eventually runs out of tissue to metastasize in.

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✍︎ arscyni.cc: modernity ∝ nature.

Apparently, the large gaps in stall doors. 22ish years later, a number of places around my region are finally installing stalls and floor to ceiling walls without gaps. Making eye contact while taking a shit was always awkward AF.

reddit (I joined Lemmy years before most people reading this, and was already only lurking a couple of selected subreddits through an alternative frontend for years before that)
Bill Gates (FOSS have hated that prick since 1976, but even I was hating their reputation laundering long before right-wing conspiracy nuts decided Gates was a communist vaccine microchip liberal or whatever)
Musk, I guess. I was years ahead of the mainstream, but again, not ahead of socialist communities and environmentalists.
and twitter, and BlueSky

Im not very familiar with bluesky and whats going on there (I know the basis of what it is but thats all). Why the hate with bluesky?
- On the hate of Bluesky here from what I understand: it's just another twitter masquerading being open with almost impossible to run federation backenf if you're not some big rich organization that will enshittify and it's not mastodon
- Yep, like @JayGray91@piefed.social said. BlueSky is beholden to the same problems that ruined Twitter. It exists as a business, not a community, and at some point it will try to cash in. It's repeating history
  The word 'enshittification' is thrown around a lot, but its original meaning is talking about a process that affects venture capital funded tech, and BlueSky is pressured to follow that process, unlike Mastodon, Pleroma and other alternatives.

Mr. Beast

Skinny jeans are hated by most people? Where? Like all fashion, it always has haters, of course. But I wasn't aware of a peak wave of haters for skinny jeans

X/Twitter/BlueSky I like long conversations with lots of information and while I use them now, it’s only because that’s where people post.

Always thought BBC Sherlock was boring and obnoxious

... do people hate that now?
- Haven't seen many people defend it since that hbomberguy video essay

Car ownership, I guess.

I hated Elon Musk from pretty much the moment he showed up as the “darling awkward little geek bro”.
When they hyped him up in the first Iron Man movie as some super-intelligent philanthropist I really started to hate that guy.

I guess TikTok, because I tried it once and uninstalled it. It felt like the app was using me, not the other way round.

- Snapchat was fun back in like 2012-2015, didnt use it since.

Centralised, monolithic online services. Even when they were 'good', I was leery of services like YouTube, Facebook and WhatsApp because they made no attempt to be interoperable or peerable. Two GMail users will have a richer experience emailing with each-other than they would with someone on, say, Yahoo Email or an Exchange server, but it would always work, eventually, somehow. Obviously we now have the concept of the Fediverse, but federated peers forming ad-hoc connections using an lowest-common-denominator protocol is the basis of the whole Internet.

The phrase "based off of." It's always been stupid. I'm still ahead of the curve because many people still think it's OK. It's not.

Hate hatred, I'm avant-garde in the West. 👀

No use or missuse of turn signals on roads. Furious.

You hated that before automobiles existed, or what?
- my guess is a little bit before and for a minute or so after turning the curve.

I hated Elon Musk well before he got involved with Trump. It was obvious to me that there was something deeply wrong and evil about that man. People keep falsely assuming rich = smart. Elon is proof that's not true.

I hated Beanie Babies when it first became a craze. The company who made these stuffed toys had full control over their value and was deliberately causing shortages & errors to drive up perceived value.

I hate NFTs and cryptocurrency for the same reasons I hated Beanie Babies. I advised my sister against investing her savings into cryptocurrency, but she wouldn't listen. She lost everything.

And now I hate what Nintendo is doing with the Switch 2. I can see the writing on the wall, this is a shameless cash grab using deeply unethical anti-customer tactics.

P Diddy. He did an Apprentice type show and was overall pretty creepy. There were a handful of scenes that made me think his closet was stocked full of skeletons.

Myself.

Amanda Palmer. I've always thought she was a narcissistic asshole who uses people like she's rearranging furniture. And that has turned out to be extremely true.

Twitter. Have hated it since it launched and stayed the fuck away from using it until I had a teacher who demanded I make a Twitter profile for a specific workshop. I still regret all these years later that I caved and did as she said. I should have just kept telling her no. Other than that, I have stayed away from that platform and when Felon Muskrat bought it I had no opinions on it because at the time I just saw him as a goofy edge lord and why wouldn't he want to buy the goofiest platform on the internet?

But well, at least he has made most of the rest of the world realize how terrible Twitter is as a social media platform. It always was and it always will be. Fuck that place. I genuinely hope he runs it into the ground completely and that it dies.

Too bad new alternatives have sprung up in the meantime.

I still think it is utterly embarrassing that politicians around the world use these types of crappy as fuck platforms to communicate with the public. I cannot take any of them seriously. It is pathetic and embarrassing.

Entitled middle aged women (Karens). I started ranting about them in 2007, I guess.

Proprietary software in general, Discord and Twitter in specific

I never liked the Twilight books when they were just books

Krzysztof Stanowski and Scott Adams

Trans women competing as men

At least for trans people we all hate this. We want to compete as our actual gender
Trans men competing as women.