‘It’s not close’ - Israel committing genocide concludes Wikipedia ending editorial debate
‘It’s not close’ - Israel committing genocide concludes Wikipedia ending editorial debate
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Academic here - it's 100% genocide. More so, it's the worst kind of genocide, it's sanctioned genocide built upon conflating a people with their government.
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built upon conflating a people with their government.
Which makes those people in other parts of the world (myself included) inherently less safe.
In fact, if I could point to one single factor that has made Jews less safe in this world post-WWII, it would be Israel.
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Yup, most people of the Jewish faith are not the state of Israel. Much as most people of the Islamic faith are not terrorists. People mostly just want to lead comfortable lives.
It's a great case of A->B being misunderstood as A<->B to justify incredible shittiness.
I do sometimes wonder if I should write a paper full of examples suggesting that this really simple misunderstanding of logic is what drives the enshittification of humanity _
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Israel is the best fucking recruitment tool antisemitism has.
Fuck Zionism, Fuck Empires
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This is a feature not a bug, similar to the “birthright” trips Jewish teens abroad get for free. “Birthright” is a propaganda trip that tries to get teenagers to make Israeli contacts and get them to want to “make Aaliyah” and move to Israel and make more babies for the IDF.
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Its a textbook case. They're not even trying to keep their motives secret.
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Well there is the genocide where many other nations turn a blind eye to ("oops sorry we did not see what was happening there") and then there is the genocide where multiple other nations actively support it while trying to look like they are slapping wrists ("bad Israel! bad Israel!" passes weapons under the table)
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British Wikipedian, Stuart Marshall, made the final ruling in September, decisively supporting the article’s inclusion. “Based on the strength of the arguments … and it’s not close … I discarded the argument that scholars haven’t reached a conclusion on whether the Gaza genocide is really taking place”, Marshall wrote in his decision. “The matter remains contested, but there’s a metric truckload of scholarly sources linked in this discussion that show a clear predominance of academics who say that it is.”
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"Stu, you can't say metric fuckton"
It is what it is.
"I'm not publishing that."
Fine! A metric truckton.
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I didn't actually realize that he didn't say "metric fuckton" until I saw your comment and went back to reread it.
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Because everyone knows if you say it’s not genocide, it’s not genocide. 🇨🇳🇮🇱🇷🇺🇺🇸
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Title gore. What is this headline trying to communicate?
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In a related move, the platform’s editors recently voted to declare the Anti-Defamation League “generally unreliable” on the subject, adding it to their list of banned and partially banned sources.
ADL is now a banned source. Good move.
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Funded by / Ownership
The Anti-Defamation League is a nonprofit that is funded through donations. They do not disclose donors.
Weird, usually that knocks down organizations. Amazing how it's fine here
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Someone should tell MBFC about this finding so they can adjust the report.
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lmaooo
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did the bad news community ever delete that stupid fucking robot
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ICJ so slow Wikipedia writes down the conclusion in advance.
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ICJ already released a preliminary statement affirming that its likely a genocide. They just have a mountain of evidence to review
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In the past I have donated to wikipedia this made sure I will keep donating.
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I have too. Thank you for the reminder.
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The people who disagree probably can't reconcile that who they consider the good guys can do very evil things.
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You Either Die A Hero, Or You Live Long Enough To See Yourself Become The Villain.
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This is Israel's second genocide after the one in 1947.
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Is this just for the English Wikipedia? What about the Hebrew list of genocides?
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Just donated to Wikipedia.
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The IDF just announced that they've discovered a Hamas command and control center under Jimmy Wales' khouse. It'll be dealt with accordingly.
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The English speaking Wikipedia community is not the ICJ.
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did you read the article?
British Wikipedian, Stuart Marshall, made the final ruling in September, decisively supporting the article’s inclusion. “Based on the strength of the arguments … and it’s not close … I discarded the argument that scholars haven’t reached a conclusion on whether the Gaza genocide is really taking place”, Marshall wrote in his decision. “The matter remains contested, but there’s a metric truckload of scholarly sources linked in this discussion that show a clear predominance of academics who say that it is.”
Marshall concluded his ruling with the straightforward statement: “We follow the scholars.”
On its “Gaza genocide” page, it states that “Experts, governments, United Nations agencies, and non-governmental organisations have accused Israel of carrying out a genocide against the Palestinian people during its invasion and bombing of the Gaza Strip in the ongoing Israel–Hamas war.”
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And the German Wikipedia community sees it differently (differently = waiting for an official decision) and does not allow an article called "Gaza Genozid" until now...
The matter remains contested
That could also be the argument for calling the article "Genocide accusations" and waiting for the ICJ...
On its “Gaza genocide” page, it states that “Experts, governments, United Nations agencies, and non-governmental organisations have accused Israel of carrying out a genocide against the Palestinian people during its invasion and bombing of the Gaza Strip in the ongoing Israel–Hamas war.”
Compared to the previous 2 quotes, this is actually a fact: There are accusations.
PS: Just to make it clear: I am not the ICJ either. And I think, it's fine to share it as an opinion ("I think, there is a genocide happening"), but referencing it as a fact ("The genocide is getting worse") before it is actually classified as one by the people who are responsible to do so, is just not useful at all. I know, that especially people from the USA see this differently.
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Yes but what is Wikipedia going to actually do about it? Just create another article? We should dismantle Wikipedia!
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What the fuck are you talking about
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Might have needed the \s here
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It's not really me that needs it.
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Keep fighting the good fight against the unnecessary \s. I appreciate you.
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What do you expect Wikipedia to do exactly lol
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