Ukrainian men dragged away outside Kyiv nightclubs and restaurants by army recruiters

The western supremacists are willing to sacrifice every Ukranian civilian, to push NATO east.

I think that most is against poor Russians dying in the same way, in the same lost war

You're finally admitting that the Russian invasion is murder?

It's super hard to get away now..

Zelensky's regime may have troubles with keeping the eastern border safe, but the western one is defended like no other (that is, from people trying to escape of course).

And the bribes to get out legally are more than 10k$... For lots of us (especially for people living in villages) this is an amount of money we've never seen in a lifetime.

That's not a war though, it's a genocide

Yes but Blinken said Russia is committing genocide so la la la la la I cant hear you!!!

Slava ukrainazis!!!!

The genocide of palestinians is no war

Russia isn't targeting civilians. Also in Ukraine they draft poor people to die

@yogthos @TheOubliette that's a symptom of supporting "the next thing" that the propaganda machine tells you 🤣

It really isn't that far of a reach to support ukraines fight for sovereignty but also detest forced conscription.

It's not one or the other.

Seriously, wish all these people would just sign up for the foreign legion and put their money where their mouth is.

I think Israel is the only entity that is doing basically everything possible to kick-start WWIII. As the Ukraine/Russia stuff is mostly being contained to Ukraine, Donetsk, Luhansk, Crimea, and parts of Russia. But Israel is openly starting new fronts in Palestine and Lebanon. Along with attacking Iran, Syria, and Yemen. And they are most certainly the most likely entity to be the next government to use nukes in war. The doctrine of kill everyone to not allow capture is far more scary than what has been going on in Ukraine.

Not to say that the forced conscription and arrests of draft aged (or even physically able) men isn't fucked (it very much is). But even the neo-Nazis in command of Ukrainian forces aren't taking that level of official doctrine of death to their own side. Their doctrine is more "you fight or die" (but not "we will also kill you if you are caught by the enemy) which isn't exactly "shocking" if a nation is on an actual defense from inside their borders. Israel is invading other nations and acting at more of an ISIS level of fucked up while yelling about how they are "just defending ourselves."

Y'all fucking clowns for defending the fascist regime you support dragging people to fight for your entertainment. Go sign up for the foreign legion already instead of trolling here.

and saying that Ukrainians should just give up.

I'll try to argue in good faith and ask you - what evidence (other than this post, apparently it doesn't convince you) would be needed for you to admit that we don't want to fight, and it's Zelensky's regime (with West's support) that forces us to (and effectively genocides us)?

How about all the Russians getting forced in to a war just to die?

It's also bad. Russia is not turned into a mass prison which people can't leave and where they are kidnapped on the streets though, Ukraine is.
A man in Russia can leave at any moment.
A man in Ukraine is automatically a prisoner, he can only escape.

Where is the criticism of Putin and his regime and the atrocities that he commits?

Here it is: I condemn Putin for the atrocities he commits. I regularly hear from my friends and family, who are still in Ukraine, about Russian rockets/drones flying over them.

You see, I've tried to argue in good faith with you, despite you supporting Zelensky's fascist regime that tries to kill me and people I know. Now, can you do the same? :)

I am against both sides, both states are braindead agents of Moloch. Dissolve the state meme. The is now Russia there is no Ukraine, these are just deadly brain rot.

How about all the Russians getting forced in to a war just to die?

Just to clarify: do you suggest to murder everyone who was forced to get onto the battlefield, or do you mean Putin does this to them?

nice hasbara

mother Russia is superior to everyone else and deserve to take Ukrainian land.

Are you seriously getting your viewpoints about what Russia wants...FROM THE CIA? that's fucking insane. Here's what you should do. Find any translation of any spokesperson of Russia. Two famous ones are Lavrov and Maria something. Both of them are very intelligent and speak clearly.

edit: Also Russia doesn't target civilians. There's a thing that's commonly used by the US and Israel called atrocity propaganda. Look it up. Russia is taking casualties but it's not that much. It's approximately 1 death to 20-30 Ukranian deaths ATM.

Hey man, don't engage with old mate. He's a full blown tankie and posts pro Russian propaganda every day

Some people dug too deep into the reality tunnel, any common sense has been left far behind.

Obvious reality check: Ukraine has some nazies. Also

a) they're not their top problem. That being, you know, invasion and occupation by an authoritarian dictatorship.

b) point me at the country that hasn't. What, you want China to invade Germany because AfD has 30% in some provinces? Let people sort their shit before you call for a foreign boot ffs.

(Not even touching the fact that the only reason Russia isnt seig heil'ing right this second, is that little Pu is afraid of any popular movements, including fascism. But it'll get there, give it a couple years and/or heart strokes)

If you're not ready to protect life and freedom by getting blown up within a week of arriving at the front in an unwinnable war you're a bad person.

bigger focus has been on how these men are avoiding their duties as citizens to protect their country, lives and freedom

How would they be protecting their lives by going into a war zone? And if their freedom was important they wouldn't be getting pressed into service; as for protecting their country, no one cared that they were shirking that responsibility when they allowed Azov militia members to kill ethnic Russians (who identified as Ukrainian until they were being ethnically cleansed) without defending that part of their country. Why weren't Ukrainians defending that part of the country?

When you say freedom, what do you mean? Freedom to do what? You're talking about a place that under capitalist restoration became the poorest country in Europe and (as is tradition) uses ethnic violence to divide its working class that might otherwise kill its rulers. I'm thinking a lot of the population might not feel they actually have the freedom to actually do a whole lot. Some of them seem to want the freedom to continue living, or the freedom to not fight in a NATO proxy war, but you don't seem to care about those freedoms. So, again, what are you talking about?

Liberals don’t understand words, only tone example 900028261

Behold the incredible depths of liberal analysis.

Ok, but like realistically what do you think the outcome in this war is? Do you think there is a realistic path forwards in which Ukraine beats Russia?

If your answer to that is yes, then I don’t know what to say to you. Ukraine is getting overrun by material and people from its much larger opponent. The only way to tip that balance is the rest of nato going hot(er) and joining the war and then we have ww3 - which I hardly need to point out the devastating consequences of for the whole world.

If your answer to that is no, then what does conscription of men and the continuation of the war achieve? Other than greater suffering, death and destruction. How can that be good? I don’t want Russia to win per-say, this is a brutal war between two reactionary powers. But I do wish for all the civilians in the affected area that the war stops, so their children will stop being killed in the collateral and they can stop sacrificing their sons and fathers to the meat grinder. It is clear that Ukraine isn’t winning so the path to peace is Russia wins.

Russia winning is the most good realistic outcome.