[CW: Suicide] is making fun of the male suicide rate based or cringe (real question)
I know joking around about men being 90% awful is all fun and games but this post and screenshots of it have been going around twitter a lot and i need the fine people on chapo dot chat to tell me if this is based or cringe thank you
while there are plenty of men who should die, they are by-and-large not the ones actually killing themselves. people commit suicide because of alienation. poor people commit suicide at much higher rates. LGBT people commit suicide at much higher rates. do you know what percentage of "male suicides" are actually trans women? me neither. nobody does or ever will
the true beneficiaries of patriarchy, the rich ghouls, men with actual power, are thriving, because the society was built for them. the patriarchy does not value the lives of ordinary men - it culls them for profit by sending them to war or working them to death. patriarchy under capitalism encourages men to die, so maybe you shouldn't
edit: Also the average man gets paid more, does less domestic labor, does way less reproductive labor, and is respected more. Yes of course the rich men benefit the most because we live under both patriarchy and capitalism. But failing to recognize the class contradictions of patriarchy results in the half-assed women's liberation of Soviet socialism. We want total liberation, so let's not ignore male supremacy just cause it makes male proletarians uncomfortable.
doubleposting but this shit pisses me off. up until recently i was getting really close to ending it. I've always had a firm limit in place of "well it would be too scarring for my family so i could never kill myself" but that was eroding for the the first time ever - even my previous suicide attempt was in the heat of the moment with no real reasoning, but this time I was actively beginning to feel over a sustained period of time that I could not go on, such that it was worth traumatizing my family to escape it. I wrote a detailed suicide note that I have actually yet to delete because I haven't resolved my feelings about it. The only thing that stopped it was getting a job after over a year of unemployment, finally the world telling me I'm not worthless, because in this society worth is productivity.
i look like a guy pretty much 24/7 due to my environment being unsupportive to transitioning, although hopefully that's changing soon. I've gotten better about decoupling my mentality from guydom, but I still struggle with it because I'm kinda trapped in being a guy for the moment, so things like this screenshot still affect me. Exactly how many people stuck in the closet being egged on to suicide is acceptable for these people? How many actual dudes who haven't hurt a fly would have to die before they start to question it? It's things like this that made vindictive suicidal ideation so satisfying. I wish I had the wherewithal to check out and have a dead man's (ha) switch send people like the person in the screenshot my family's info and let them know that they helped cause their suffering. See how flippant they are when blood's on their hands.
Not cool imo. Only time self harm can be remotely funny is when the specific person is a garbage human being. Even then still kinda sus. "Follow your leader" is really the only example I can think of that doesnt seem scummy.
Judge me if you must, but I think it goes too far. I’m a guy at the moment (probably an egg), but there are a lot of oppressed people who fall under the umbrella term "men"
Yes, men suck, but that’s largely because of the patriarchy and the system we live in.
As an other poster said the guys killing themselves are not White trust fund guys.
Yes, men suck, but that’s largely because of the patriarchy and the system we live in.
Men created the patriarchy. Without the patriarchy there would be no men. Without men there would be no patriarchy. I'm not really sure what you mean by this. Under socialism, capitalists won't largely suck, but there wouldn't be capitalists. The individuals who would have been capitalists wouldn't largely suck, but they'd be completely different people at that point.
In short.
Yes and men created capitalism. Yet a lot of men suffer under capitalism similar to the patriarchy. The men who profit the most from capitalism or patriarchy are most likely not the ones who kill themselves rather its often the most vulnerable and oppressed men.
The OP also felt misleading posting this comment in a vacuum.
I just consider jokes about suicide at least in bad taste having had a suicidal phase in the past. (I fully admit that I have a biased position due to that)
I can't defend the OP but whenever I see a screenshot of it posted it's in response to some blue check misogynist bullshit with 100 other fascists cheering in the replies and no one can make me empathize with them
Yeah this is the key takeaway. Saying this for no reason is wild and pretty antisocial. Saying it as a response to men doing something horrible is basically just an edgier version of saying "men are trash," which I believe we had settled the discourse on like 6 years ago.
This isn't a cry of an oppressed people it's some dumbshit being a dick on the internet, so as an oppressed class I give you permission to say "wtf is wrong with you" at your pleasure.
I don't think it's right to act as if women are immune from criticism, especially if they are doing something socially harmful like encouraging people to kill themselves. this tweet is not directed at the oppressor, if she was telling Elon Musk to kill himself that would be one thing
while women are absolutely oppressed in our patriarchal society I think it's wrong and naive to view patriarchy as a system wherein all men are oppressing all women. it's a system wherein a small number of privileged men oppress the rest of us. rhetoric like this plays right into their game
As a man it’s our job to give women the knife to kill us with. It’s our job to die for the revolution. We have no place after it beyond being dead. Our lives have no value. That’s a good thing comrade.
Cringe... that's like advocating for boomers to die off, in my humble cis opinion
This, for example, obfuscates/hides the struggle against reactionary powers, especially the current economic system of Capitalism and its western vessels, in order to scapegoat one plausible group for another.
I'd rather we'd abolish the system and its direct, willing benefactors that incentivizes this awfulness, which can but not necessarily equally be nurtured in everyone, than scapegoat the obvious ones like men, baby boomers, corrupt politicians, or religious organizations
(tho some obvious ones would, of course, include some of the latter)