Biden supporters: If you dont vote for genocide guy then we will lose democracy. Said genocide guy: Eh, as long as i did my best :)

“I gave it my all”

debate prep 0 hrs
codifying roe 0 hrs
single payer 0 hrs
Palestinian genocide 8800 hrs
trans rights 0 hrs
someone who is good at time please help me schedule this. my campaign is dying

Do less genocide.
- no
I read Biden's family actually complained he did so poorly in the debate because he was "overprepared".
- They did six days of debate prep at Camp David and that was still the result.

I saw some libs freaking out over this.

Like no shit, the guy that enthusiastically supports a genocide abroad doesn't care if queer people are being targeted domestically?

no way

It is kinda jokerfiying to see the guy who I'm being told will "save us from fascism" just not give a fuck tbh. I think its good that they're freaking out. Maybe they'll come to some realizations.
Also the turbolib in the reality tv server I'm in tut tuted people for being upset about this and said "the interview is fine" so there are worse lib positions lol.
- Maybe they'll come to some realizations.
  "Maybe they'll come to some realizations" #723
  I work with a lib who at times I begin to think is finally listening, a week later and we're back to square one. You can only talk to these people once a day at best, Reddit is for all of 24 hours a day every day. You'll never beat the all day brainwashing.

I did my best. You're all fucked. I'm gonna go die now, bai

If Trump is a fascist (he is) that you want to fight against (

) then fucking dronestrike Mar-a-lago, you fucking pussy. It's literally within your rights, you coward.

- Yeah, drone striking the opposing party wouldn’t be democratic. Drone striking the commies would be the most patriotic thing he could do to save democracy.

You did not give it your all, because the Supreme Court just gave you the OK to kill him, and he's still alive.

Proudly clutching my participation trophy for "resisting fascism" as I am lined up against the wall saying "hey well I did my best and that's what this is really about"

Holy FUCK that man is SO GODDAMN ORANGE

- "SPRAY THAT MF DOWN"

Libs walking past the armed guards on their way to the internment camp:

"Good game." slap "Well played." slap "Good game." slap "Good game." slap

Plot twist: they have become armed guards there so they greet their colleagues.

I tried so hard and got so far

It's even worse than him just saying "as long as I did my best". He's saying that the election is literally about him doing his best. I guess it's also just nonsensical mumbo jumbo that he probably didn't really think about anyways but still.

Save da world, my final message. goodbye

It always got under my skin how they just don’t really seem to want to win. It’s like they expect the base to handle everything, including having the will to live

Most people would lose their jobs if their boss asked them this and they responded like that. Good thing the president gets to be completely vibes based.

that's the Americans
Always have been. That's where the Nazis got most of their ideas after all.

"I fought the malarkey and the malarkey won."

this rules

same day:

Not slavery, not Nazis, not the civil war...
Orange man.
- Orange 99% Biden, no less.

That’s fucking wild. This should be shoved in the face of every lib you know because even if it was truly the way he feels he should have at a bare minimum asserted his power in saying either vote for me or that’s what you’re gonna get or something like that. The democrats are just fucking losers in every respect.

Isn't there like an actual chance he, personally, has some bad shit happening to him if Trump wins?

Yes,
He's acting like a delusional Shakespearen villain and will meet their common fate if he doesn't get his head out of his ass.
- I stand before you, not just as an incumbent candidate, but as the chosen one, who has ascended to the highest office despite the naysayers, the doubters, and those who think me unfit.
  They speak of my mistakes, do they not? Laugh at my missteps, whisper of my cognitive decline in the corners of their grand halls, thinking themselves so clever, so wise. But what do they know of power? Of the art of governance? They see only the surface, the fleeting moments of forgetfulness, the slips of the tongue that they so eagerly label as signs of weakness.
  Fools! They call it dementia, but I call it divine providence, a mask that hides the sharpest mind, the most cunning intellect this nation has ever seen.
  And now, here I stand, at the pinnacle of power, a second term within my grasp. They underestimate me, dismiss me as a mere buffoon, a relic of a bygone era. But I will show them. I will show them all.
  Let them question my worthiness. It matters not, for I hold the reins of power, and with them the fate of the West. Let the world tremble, for I am its leader, its ruler, and my reign has only just begun.

The NYT transcript makes it even funnier:

I’ll feel as long as I gave it my all and I did the goodest job as I know I can do, that’s what this is about.

My friend, watch out ! you're insulting the lord and saviors of every libs 😨

I just sent this to my lib friends who are going through the “what country can I get citizenship in before 2025?” excercise. Time is a circle.

"that's what this is about"

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European lefty here with some questions for the anti-both crowd.

With the FPTP voting system, aren't you limited to a binary choice between Trump and Biden? I agree that Biden has been shamefully complicit in the Palestinian genocide (among broken campaign promises and rightful health concerns), though I would imagine that "finish the job" Trump would be a more destructive choice. Would it not be marginally better to have Biden in office?

I don't hold Biden in the view of someone who is a champion of environmentalism or global peace, but an anti-NATO, anti-climate science, fraudster surely would be more likely to implement harmful changes that are difficult to reverse versus a generic neoliberal?

Of course, this is through the perspective of your current voting system; ideally you would have third-party options that you could realistically elect that are not fronted by genocide supporters. In a case where you had the option for ranked choice or approval voting, who would your ideal party or candidate be?

(Not a troll/criticism post - genuinely curious about the spectrum of American politics coming into the election!)

Biden, and the democratic party more broadly have two roles to play (outside of maintaining capitalism).
Oppose Trump and the republican party
Crush, discredit, or co-opt any other organizations that could threaten their monopoly on opposition to the republican party.
When it's time to fulfill role 1. the party always hedges, because they fear that taking any strong actions will alienate centrist voters, or more importantly donors. This means that on many issues, any progress made is not enough to undo the damage done under a republican government. On other issues the situation declines under either party. There are very few significant issues where the democrats are actually able to overcome the republicans long term.
All of this is very disappointing, but on its own it would still be preferable to republicans ruling completely unopposed.
The problem is when you factor in role 2. The republicans are not an unstoppable force of highly competent and well liked people. A party that was dedicated to taking serious actions to improve the lives of the average voter could easily beat the republicans electorally, if they wouldn't also have to take on the democratic party and all of their media influence. When the democrats pursue role 2. they have no reason to hold back. Their continued existence relies on giving it their full effort. They will try to prevent any organization from accumulating enough power to push them left, while actively pushing the republicans to the far right to strengthen their own position.
Having to choose between two terrible candidates isn't something that's happened on accident. It's the result of the ongoing actions of the democratic party.
At this point, with the ticking clocks of climate change and rising fascism, a democrat in the white house is not remotely adequate to make a difference. We're headed to multiple simultaneous catastrophes either way. The only thing voting for Biden accomplishes is supporting the party that brought us here in clinging to power until their last breath.
Right now there is no 'realistic' alternative outside of the two party electoral system. I don't know if there will be one in the future, but there's certainly no hope in helping to reinforce it.
- I think your explanation has best explained it - you see it more as both parties sort of upholding an undemocratic status quo (as you said, Republicans actively doing x activity with Democrats either not doing enough to counteract or being implicit) rather than the Dems/Biden offering a tangible actual long-term change. I understand as well that the party had better candidates than Biden/Hillary but the candidacy is heavily dependent on funding/donations, which is wildly inequitable. Thank you for taking the time to explain, very informative.
This again. You may be genuinely asking, but we get someone stumbling in here every day at the moment looking to repeat the same 'lesser evils' voting argument ad infinitum, so I hope you'll understand that I'm going to try to outline some of thr major points in brief and am not interested in a protracted debate about them.
The point that is nearly always ignored is that for the most part people don't actually care if someone wants to vote for Biden for whatever reason, but the amount of time people dedicate to this argument and electoral politics in general would be better spent doing literally anything else. Organising, mutual aid, protest, 'lawfare', community defense, whatever.
Perhaps most important is that the parameters of bourgeois electoral politics are set to ensure that no option outside of ruling class interests can be achieved. The spectacle of the campaigns are release valve for societal pressure, a way to sap and distract the energy of potential activists into something safe for the status quo.
And if we are going to engage with electoral politics...
An electoral system that demands you vote for a singular candidate because they're the 'only one who can win' against a greater evil isn't a democracy and it's not a free vote. It's a hostage situation. If electoral politics is supposed to be a free vote, then people have to be able to vote their conscience. And if you do believe in the electoral system as a potential avenue for change, then some people are going to have to vote for third party candidates before the time that they'll win.
On 'lesser evil' voting...
The mantra that is always repeated is that the lesser evil is always the tactical choice, that someone else 'would be worse' but that isn't necessarily the case, especially if you don't think electoral politics is the primary way to exercise power.
If you feel that one issue is most important - the genocide in Gaza for example - and the lesser evil candidate is currently doing it, without any possibility of policy change, then any other candidate offers at least the potential for change. A possibility of change is logically better than the certainty of none.
One could argue that in a political duopoly where both parties serve the same interest, they also each serve a specific purpose. With the further right party making regressive change and then the 'lesser evil' party protecting and solidifying those gains. Viewed like this, voting for the 'lesser evil' party isn't necessarily the most tactical choice. When the 'lesser evil' party commits atrocities or cements regressive policy there's less push back from the populace because their supporters excuse it rather than oppose it. Take the reaction to Biden's continuation of internment camps on the border for example; was there more opposition when Trump was doing it or Biden? Or for a UK example, the fact that both Labour and Tory politicians have said that only Labour has the 'good will' and 'credibility' to enact NHS reform (meaning deeply unpopular privatisation). It's too unpopular for the 'more evil' party to do openly, so the 'lesser evil' party will have to do it under false pretenses.
- Great explanation - thank you for re-explaining it to another stranger who's wandered in here. You've explained it well as did another - it's moreso the case that the optics of Trump Vs. Biden or Rep Vs. Dem looks like a great difference to an outsider, when in reality they're upholding each other. And totally agreed on the participation of the broken system Vs. useful organisation, makes sense why you'd disregard the election.
I agree that Biden has been shamefully complicit in the Palestinian genocide (among broken campaign promises and rightful health concerns), though I would imagine that “finish the job” Trump would be a more destructive choice.
Biden also believes in "finishing them", he just doesn't say it out loud. The Biden admin has sent an absolutely enormous amount of munitions to Israel (without which they don't have the military capacity to fight against Palestinians this long) and provided full diplomatic cover. The Biden admin has also sent boots on the groun in palestine, sending US soldiers to participate in the Nuiserat massacre.
I don’t hold Biden in the view of someone who is a champion of environmentalism or global peace, but an anti-NATO, anti-climate science, fraudster surely would be more likely to implement harmful changes that are difficult to reverse versus a generic neoliberal?
Biden is also anti-climate and anti-science. His optics are better than of Trump, but his policies aren't. The whole thing about voting for Biden wouldn't be a discussion if Biden was materially and significantly better than Trump.
Being anti NATO is one of the only somewhat good things about Trump, because NATO is an offensive anti Russian alliance whose purpose has been instigating conflict and baiting Russia for decades.
We're closer now than ever before to nuclear apocalypse because of the NATO war in Ukraine, with Ukraines neonazis targeting Russian nuclear early warning radar and now the West giving Ukraine f16s, which are nuclear capable and Russia has plainly stated that they will treat any nuclear capable incursion into Russia as a nuclear attack.
And despite what deluded westerners tell themselves, Russian nuclear missiles are more likely to be fully functional than Western ones.
As a Canadian Lefty, I see a lot of frustration with the libs. Biden could have done anything about the supreme court. He's done less than the bare minimum for: climate change, healthcare, cost of living, and almost every other issue. The democrats don't do anything to push the overton window to the left, and at some point they're complicit with what the big bad republicans are doing. A lot of Lefty's don't like NATO. Trump being ant NATO is actually a good thing from that perspective. They say that Trump's an existential threat to the US and biden doesn't seem to be trying to get elected. Just my two cents
I agree that Biden has been shamefully complicit in the Palestinian genocide
Biden is the orchestrator of the Palestinian genocide. It was he, not Trump who called Israel the "unsinkable aircraft carrier in the middle east" Biden is much more hardened zionist than Trump. So i reject any notion that Trump would be "worse" as liberal fearmongering and deflection.
an anti-NATO,
NATO has been slowly destroying your European continent and making the EU a vassal state of the US. In just a short decade the notion of social democratic EU values was publically thrown out the window in favour of russophobia and austerity. Trump doesn't actually mean to back out of NATO but just to complain that NATO isn't robbing your little union quick enough. Enjoy the new Ukranian neonazi terrorists who will inevitably reach the conclusion that they were "stabbed in the back" once they are compelled to surrender by Russia.
anti-climate science, fraudster
Biden admin also don't believe in climate change. To them it is a wedge issue on a ballot ticket, not something to worry about. This is because the US is a capitalist system, not because the wrong walking corpse is in government.
a generic neoliberal?
Biden is not generic, he was the VP under war criminal Obama and has been in the political sphere for over 60 years. Hes the defacto ruler of the democratic party who relies on a small network of family and yes man. Trump is the outsider to Washington but managed to win because the dems boosted his campaign in the pied piper strategy of hillary. Biden is a hardened killer, sexist, racist thief. Trump is the normal one here.
ideally you would have third-party options that you could realistically elect that are not fronted by genocide supporters
Ideally we would adopt the same socialist model as China which is actually a democracy where people have a lot of say in how their lives are governed. The problem is not just the mechanics of electoralism but the capitalist system that was sustained through centuries of imperialism.
I would imagine that “finish the job” Trump would be a more destructive choice. Would it not be marginally better to have Biden in office?
The problem with that you see is that the underlying assumption here that Biden "is holding back/not going all out" with the genocide is simply not true. Biden is going all out, he is one of the most rabid Zionist I've ever seen, he's doing everything that the USA can afford to do to support the genocide given the current geopolitical situation of the USA so unless Trump has the power to pull matter out of alternative timelines or something he literally can't do worst than Biden because America as a whole literally don't have the material capability to do worst.
Like some comrades have said multiple times, the only way Trump could do any worst is if he nuked gaza, which he won't do because the pentagon know that doing that would only accelerate the collapse of Israel.
Yeah, for practical purposes it’s just the two but at this point I’m getting tired of party leadership’s baffling insistence on staying the course against all good sense.
They’ve been up against Trump for eight to ten years now, and they haven’t even managed to adopt or maintain a coherent strategy. 2016 was an unpleasant surprise, yes, but they should have wised up over the next two elections. Instead what we’re getting is warmed over ‘90s politics in the face of a threat that’s been on the proverbial radar for some time now. They’re the fucking embodiment of institutional inertia. Couldn’t change to save their lives.

Anti-voters: as long as I did my best by doing absolutely nothing at all :)

This comes from the incorrect assumption that the only kind of politics that exist are voting. Anti-voting leftists are usually involved in some sort of leftist organization which does much more material good than voting ever could. Learn about direct action.
- Yeah, I’m aware. My intention was to mock all the anti-voting sentiments I see floating around the internet that neglect to encourage direct action. I probably could have indicated that more clearly