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This post was banned from dbzer0 for being "Tankie" lmfao what a joke of a so-called piracy instance

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  • This is turning into a "2 minutes of hate" situation with you peeps and our instance, innit? :D

    The admin probably was a bit too uncharitable in interpreting the meme due to who was posting it, but it was ultimately removed for being unrelated to piracy.

    Y'all need to chill with the hate though. It's what causing these situations as admins and mods immediately assume bad faith from hexbears and .ml

    PS: Also this doesn't even feel like a post fitting for the dunk tank since it's not even a public post somewhere, but just a lemming being upset they got moderated (like pretty much every lemming being moderated) and looking for a friendly space to shitstir.

    • You might want to chat with people before speaking for them, because they seem pretty adamanant that not all men privileged first worlders:

      • The classic "why are you criticizing all white men??? IM NOT RACIST WTF STFU" fragile-ass MFers

        Guys, if you read a generalized critique of a dominant social group you belong to and you don't personally exhibit the criticized behaviors then it doesn't apply to you. Not that difficult. You are in the privileged group. You hold more power in society. If you get butthurt and need to correct the record over a meme that actually accurately represents a large number of first worlders (pro-capital bootsuckers) maybe analyze why it made you mad.

      • I have chatted with the admin of course.

      • Unruffled is clearly correct here. What's the issue?

        • the fact that there exist people in first-world countries who aren't like the guy in the meme means you can't make jokes at the expense of people who are like the guy in the meme? nah dude, this admin removed the post in order to make their own political statement, it had nothing to do with the relevance of the post

        • If you can't read then yeah sure I guess

        • No they most certainly are not - if I list the traits of a specific person, and you get angry that I'm generalising because you share 1 of the list of traits, you are wrong. I am not generalising, I am describing someone who isn't you.

    • I saw this thread and wondered if you would be in here, but apparently only just now. Neat timing.

      But cmon. This meme is about piracy. It's about weirdos that spend way too much time online spinning their wheels hating piracy for no reason. Is that not obvious? Piracy is literally mentioned in the meme.

    • The admin probably was a bit too uncharitable in interpreting the meme due to who was posting it

      This is turning into a "2 minutes of hate" situation with you peeps and our instance, innit? :D

      So I was correct in assuming that the post itself was fine, and the real reason behind it's removal was who posted it? If so I think I earned a collective laugh for me and my friends over here.

      but it was ultimately removed for being unrelated to piracy.

      This is my biggest gripe, I "borrowed" that meme from r/piracy it's clearly related to piracy: it's a play (an iperbole) on the stereotype of the "corporate bootlicker" I bet you encountered it tons of times in piracy communities, I certainly did.

      but just a lemming being upset they got moderated

      I'm laughing more than I'm crying, and so are all the other people in the thread.

      Y'all need to chill with the hate though. It's what causing these situations as admins and mods immediately assume bad faith from hexbears and .ml

      Your mods ban posts from lemmy.ml (may I remember you it's the 3rd largest and the oldest lemmy instance, founded by the lead developers and founders of lemmy software) on sight and we're the ones who need to chill? Bro I hate diagnosing people but your mod team is in a deep paranoid psichosis, if not outright bigotry against said instances. Do you want an echo chamber? Because that's how you get an echo chamber.

      • So I was correct in assuming that the post itself was fine, and the real reason behind it’s removal was who posted it? If so I think I earned a collective laugh for me and my friends over here.

        That's not what I said at all. Read again. It was still unrelated to the community.

        This is my biggest gripe, I “borrowed” that meme from r/piracy it’s clearly related to piracy: it’s a play (an iperbole) on the stereotype of the “corporate bootlicker” I bet you encountered it tons of times in piracy communities, I certainly did.

        As much as I agree with the sentiment of the meme, it's only tangentially related to piracy at a stretch. Like the word "piracy" could be removed and it would change nothing about the meme. It being in /r/piracy is irrelevant since that sub is barely moderated. The admin in question interpreted it differently and removed it as not related. Chill, it's just a meme posts. No need to rile up your personal army. Touch some grass...

        I’m laughing more than I’m crying, and so are all the other people in the thread.

        Yes, I'm am very certain you're very not mad. You should add some đŸ€ŁđŸ€ŁđŸ€Ł emojis to drive home how not mad you are.

        Your mods ban posts from lemmy.ml (may I remember you it’s the 3rd largest and the oldest lemmy instance, founded by the lead developers and founders of lemmy software) and we’re the ones who need to chill? Bro I hate diagnosing people but your mod team is in a deep paranoid psichosis, if not outright bigotry against said instances. Do you want an echo chamber? Because that’s how you get an echo chamber.

        Totally "not mad" energy here, but OK, I'll bite. No we don't ban posts from lemmy.ml.

        • Idk bud, you're the one coming to our instance to complain about us making fun of your moderation policies. The very behavior of someone who is definitely not bothered.

          To be honest I don't think anybody here (or you) is actually mad. You can do the whole 'Oh you should have cry-laugh emojis!' but you're just posting a hypothetical onto their posting style which doesn't exist. Some real scumbag reddit shit. Address what is actually being posted, don't pursue hypotheticals.

          I don't think you get what is funny about it to us. If it was moderated for "Not relevant to the community" there would be zero gas. It was moderated for 'tankieism'. Since when was mild non-sectarian anti-capitalist sentiment 'tankie'? Your moderation team has clearly diluted the word to be completely meaningless and useless as a description of belief. Just say it's not relevant to the community! Don't betray your stupidity! It's not rocket science!

          • đŸ€·â€â™‚ïž In this post, y'all are engaging in the same ragebait facebook boomers do, but when challenged on it are "oh we're just laughing, lol". But feel free to keep deluding yourself about what is going on. I don't think what y'all are doing is healthy, but I also don't particularly care enough. I am only here to correct the misconceptions about what happened and possibly even disrupt the circlejerk a bit.

            Anyway, you must have clearly seen me clarifying these events already elsewhere so I won't rehash even if you pretend you didn't. Disengage.

            • user report: Abusing Disengage rule

              A call do disengage must be the only thing in the post. You don't get to respond to people and then call to disengage, this is completely disingenuous.

              I think it's about time we defed from your garbage instance, and I'm glad to make sure you won't be showing you're entire ass around here again.

            • There you go again, proposing a hypothetical as if it is real. Again you don't understand what words actually mean. How is this 'rage-bait'? Who is profiting off of the advertising that makes something 'rage-bait'? It was a dumb moderation wording decision that we are collectively making fun of because we have a shared understanding of the meaning of a term. This isn't complicated.

              Holy shit, dude you're just like every other tough-face poster, "I don't care, but I took time out of my day to call your posting habits unhealthy." Bro, of course you care, stop fronting! If you didn't care you wouldn't engage at all!

              And you are following a post to an unrelated community to defend your moderation policies as if our opinions matter in the slightest to what is going on in your community. Why do you care what we think?

              You really don't get how this works, do you? You don't get to insult people and then say 'Disengage'. That's not good forum behavior, that is disingenuous horseshit.

              • Ah, I guess disengagement is only respected when coming from approved people. Alright.

                How is this ‘rage-bait’? Who is profiting off of the advertising that makes something ‘rage-bait’

                Facebook boomers and xitter addicts don't post ragebait for each other to earn advertisement, even if their platform is happy that they do.

                Holy shit, dude you’re just like every other tough-face poster, “I don’t care, but I took time out of my day to call your posting habits unhealthy.” Bro, of course you care, stop fronting! If you didn’t care you wouldn’t engage at all!

                I already explained why I engaged? When I said "I don't care", it's refers to me caring enough to stop your toxic habits.

                And you are following a post to an unrelated community to defend your moderation policies as if our opinions matter in the slightest to what is going on in your community. Why do you care what we think?

                Because I'm autistic and I can't help myself from correcting the record when I feel people are spreading disinfo about me and mine.

                That’s not good forum behavior, that is disingenuous horseshit.

                Projecting much?

                • Stop using words you don't understand. It is not 'projecting' to point out you doing bad-faith posting. The forum rules are that if you want me to disengage all you have to do is post under me 'Disengage'. That is it. If you include any other bullshit, especially insults, that is not considered acceptable, you are just abusing the rules of disengagement to get the last word it. This has been the rule on most forum posting for fucking forever.

                  'Rage-bait' is specifically a term used to describe posting that is meant to drive engagement for advertising models. I have a buddy who specifically makes rage bait around NFL content. It specifically describes that behavior. It is not 'getting mad or making fun of shit online', because that is literally just the Internet, especially forum posting since it's inception. Back in the day, we would catchall of that with 'trolling'.

                  Why should I care if you want to stop my 'toxic habits'? How does you wanting to stop those habits have any relevance on the conversation? Listen to yourself, you are talking as if you have any power to stop me even if you did care. Your care, in that regard, is completely irrelevant. A weird power-trip.

                  Being autistic is not a reason. It's deferring your reasoning onto your neuro-divergency. We aren't slandering you. Someone calling that person a tankie for some dumb shit happened! And even if we did slander you, what would you coming along to 'correct the record' do, especially if you come in with the assumption that we are all 'toxic posters who circle jerk at rage-bait'? How is coming along in bad-faith helpful to you having a reasonable discussion with us?

                  • Stop using words you don’t understand. It is not ‘projecting’ to point out you doing bad-faith posting.

                    That is the modus operanti of most hexbears though. So, projecting.

                    The forum rules are that if you want me to disengage all you have to do is post under me ‘Disengage’.

                    That's not how other hexbears are using it either. Also not a "forum rule" from what I see. Unless you mean some unwritten rule

                    Rage-bait’ is specifically a term used to describe posting that is meant to drive engagement for advertising models.

                    Words can have multiple meaning. Surely you understood how I mean it by now. Stop crying about definitions.

                    Why should I care if you want to stop my ‘toxic habits’? How does you wanting to stop those habits have any relevance on the conversation? Listen to yourself, you are talking as if you have any power to stop me even if you did care. Your care, in that regard, is completely irrelevant. A weird power-trip.

                    What are you even on about, mate?

                    Being autistic is not a reason.

                    I assure you, having ASD is very much the reason. I would ask that you avoid being declarative about things you know little about, but I doubt this would stop you.

                    We aren’t slandering you. Someone calling that person a tankie for some dumb shit happened!

                    What, is my ASD not acting rational enough for you? :D

                    And even if we did slander you, what would you coming along to ‘correct the record’ do, especially if you come in with the assumption that we are all ‘toxic posters who circle jerk at rage-bait’? How is coming along in bad-faith helpful to you having a reasonable discussion with us?

                    Nothing happens in a vacuum. By the time I posted, this place was already filled with hate, toxicity and bad faith towards our instance. You can't fault me for being colored by the environment I post in. Nevertheless, I think I was more than reasonable in my initial engagements,which is why they went much better than they did with you.

                    • You literally came in calling it a '2-minute hate', am I really supposed to believe that you were just coming in to 'correct the record'?

                      I know it's unfortunate to your whole thing, but words have meaning and diluting them to whatever your rhetorical preference is at any given moment is literally what we are making fun of on this post.

                      I haven't seen a level of denial like this in a long time. Implying you don't care in general, then altering specifically saying that you don't care about changing my toxic posting, then getting confused when I say that is a weird power-trip if you did care about changing my toxic posting is an interesting strategy. We'll see if it works for you.

                      Wow, I didn't want to accuse you of using autism as a shield from criticism, but damn, stop using your autism as a shield from criticism. I think you should really dig into why you feel this need for control over a narrative that doesn't actually matter, especially if we are all just projecting bad-faith actors like you say. It would be nice if you could pick a lane and stick with it as to exactly what you think we are.

                      You had zero success with anyone else on the forum. It's genuinely sad that you think you did.

                      Edit: Damn, he got got by moderation. Just as the conversation was becoming productive!

                • I'm not a mod, but my understanding of the disengagement rule is that it's supposed to just be "disengage" not a whole message "getting the last word in". Not accusing you of doing that, but that's how I understand the rule.

        • That's not what I said at all. Read again. It was still unrelated to the community.

          I say it's related, you say it's unrelated, no point arguing.

          Yes, I'm am very certain you're very not mad

          Did you read the comments (both mine and of others?) we are just chatting, no salt down here. You think I'm salty, I think I'm not.

          My post won't be reinstated, but we had a cheap laugh at the expense of your mod and had some sane discussions between ourselves, as far as I'm concerned this is a net win for me. You'll think we are all just a bunch of salty lunatics and that's your opinion.

          There's no point arguing when both sides have unreconcilable viewpoints, our conversation ends here. Disengage.

          • Hey, not a moderator, but next time you want to disengage on hexbear, just post 'disengage' with nothing else. I don't think you did anything strictly incorrect here, but we need to keep the rules clear for people like db0.

            • Got it, wanted to clarify that we have different unreconcilable viewpoints and all that stuff, still learning this hexbear thing. I'll keep it in mind for the next time.

              Edit: accidentally sent a couple extra comments

            • Got it, wanted to clarify that we have different viewpoints and all that stuff. I'll keep it in mind for the next time.

    • Thanks for the chilled response. I don't think it's an event that will result in much on its own, but it is a silly attitude.

      "unrelated to piracy" when it's directly related to piracy, objecting to calling out the privilege of first-world people to be largely pro-corporate, and the fashionable name-calling of "tankie" does make for a triple whammy of lib-type silliness.

      I'm sure we shall all get over it.

      • Honestly, the typical source of friction causing interactions is the inability to accept that different people can interpret things differently. I understand you interpret it that way. And I do too. But other people, such as unruffled didn't. They interpreted it as the OP calling everyone in western nations pro-corpo, anti-piracy. Under that interpretation, the meme becomes less about piracy, and more about blanket hate of "westerners" which is why they called it "tankie-adjacent". We can argue endlessly if they were right to make such an interpretation, but it won't lead to anything.

        The point is that such things happen, it's on us to avoid escalating mere miscommunication, into drama slap fights between instances. It's the constant willingness of people to let themselves be goaded into unrestricted toxicity over such things as some random person getting upset that their meme got removed, which then of course, leads to more mistrust and bad faith, which leads to more miscommunication and so on.

    • Cope.

      This isn't hate. Your mod did something stupid and we're making fun of them for it.

    • 1974 reference soypoint-2

    • Oh look, the kid with 0 ability to moderate his bot problem deciding to fight the lefties instead of somebody to the right of "hunt the poors for sport"

      Fuck off w/ this nonsense đŸ€‘đŸ„Ÿ

      • kid

        This really tickled me because I remember db0 from Reddit being a moderator on anarchist subs for long enough that those credentials are old enough that they are well into their teen years themselves.

        They absolutely must be in their 30s by now. If we say that they've been a moderator on Reddit for 15 years and that they became a mod at the ripe old age of 15, both of which are undeniably conservative estimates, then that makes them 30 years old.

        I just had to chuckle when I saw you call them kid because I am pretty confident they're middle-aged by this point and I knew this offhand.

    • :: shits pants ::

      Wow, y'all really need to chill

    • Why is it that every time I see good takes from your instance it's typically some random user in opposition to the rest, and every time I see the worst takes imaginable from your instance it's usually from you personally?

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