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Why is this so universal?

There is enough drama as it is. This will just open the door to shadowbanning and stalking and other horrors we have escaped by leaving reddit. It's enough that it's party available on kbin.

I understand your anger. Sadly I don't think directly all this hate towards them in this way will make things any better.

Relax. You are not America.

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It's fine just go ahead and ban me because I won't edit anything. I provided two articles about captives and their experience having been held hostage by Hamas, they list multiple instances. I have no time for bs like this.

Just because there are problems with the NYT does not mean this particular story is not credible. This woman is simply sharing her experinece. What evidence do you have to refute the claims of a rape victim? Should she not be taken as seriously as any other rape victim? Just because Israel can take advantage of such a story to justify genocide does not mean we can discredit the story without being intellectually dishonest.

Sexual assault: https://edition.cnn.com/2024/03/26/middleeast/amit-soussana-israeli-hostage-hamas-sexual-assault-intl/index.html

Abuse: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/hostages-held-hamas-describe-life-was-captivity-rcna126781

Do you hound everyone for citations or only in this case? Do you want proof that these people have had these testimonies or that these things actually happened?

https://lemmy.world/comment/11800560

I touch grass on a daily basis actually

Good.

Thanks for pointing that out. No denying this. Is this about Amit Soussanna? Would be curious to see a timeline for that. But also as a rape victim myself, it took me years to finally come out and tell my parents what had happened. It's possible that she is lying, but also possible that she is saying he truth. It doesn't say anything politically about Hamas or Palestinians... it's just a thing that is likely to have happened.

The thing is, it would also be naive to assume that no sexual assault or abuse happeend. Even Hezbollah (a much more disciplined army) will have cases like that.

I never denied that and nothing I said points to anything against that. Some Hamas fighters still raped and abused some captives. This is reality. These people also have the right to have their story heard because it's just one part of the truth.

Before I do that can I say this?

I guess what you mean to ask is: was this part of the NYT report or not? Is that right?

And also, I agree that much of that report was BS, but is that enough to discredit every single story in it? You may pretty well be denying rapes that did take place. I have no reason to deny the testimonies of these women. Hamas fighters are not angels and it would be quite naive to assume that no rape happened. What I said does not suggest that Hamas carries out systematic rape. Maybe that is a claim more worth your time to moderate than "some victims came out and spoke out about sexual assault during captivity."

But if this is how things roll in this community then just ban me 😉

I seek it. I'm one side in this too. There are many Palestinians and many Israelis who just want to have normal lives and full human rights for themselves and others.

I think you then might want to learn more about current Palestine, which is much more diverse than you describe.

Israel is occupying Palestinian land.... we want to be free of occuaption. Not sure why you bring Islam into this since Palestinian society is quite diverse and encompasses many different perspectives and religions. I myself am a Palestinian atheist.

My suggestion is: one democratic state of Palestine for Jews, Muslims, Christians, whenever the fuck lives there. Democratic voting, a President.

"final solution" is a now used by Israeli officials to describe Gaza so rofl this is not even a serious convo now. You are just gaslighting and talking to a person in your head.

Israel shouldn't really exist as a country though. Nothing anti-Semitic about that. It's an illegitimate apartheid state. I am not saying any Israelis should be forcefully dispalced.

Free from occupation.........

Me neither. Sorry to hear this is happening at demonstrations you have seen.

What have they been shouting?

"Additionally, the Zionists built infrastructure (separation walls, checkpoints, expanding settlements) just to kill Palestinians. They optimized it to maximize the amount of Palestinians to bring into Gaza (an open air prison) or overcrowded Israeli jails, they built the infamous AI targeting systems and have gotten the biggest imprecise missiles they could find to be able to kill more people more efficiently. On top of that, they completely cut off supplies and destroyed all universities and many hospitlas water facilities in the open air prison they crowded Palestinians too".

• Remember, most of Gaza are refugees from other parts of Palestine who were already to Gaza. Gaza is Israel's current genocide infrastructure just like concentration camps were the genocide infrastructure built to kill Jews in Europe.