> he plugins are still very few compared to other mature editors. also, it’s not quite as configurable as Sublime
AFAIU, it doesn't have a plugin runtime, which is fairly glaring to me (but maybe not for devs these days).
This is what triggered my "is it hype" thought, as I've seen people say it does but it's in rust or something.
And I feel like many fail to realise how hard it is to build a new editor with everything we take for granted these days.
Fediverse & typst similarly.
I get that peeps are coming from VSCode and I support competition with MS’s EEE of software dev.
But, like, bloat and corporate capture were always the trade offs with VSCode … you all knew that right?
Is the new #zed editor mostly hype rn?
I can believe it’s good and cool ( built in graphics and collab seem to me like good ideas).
But as someone who happily stayed with sublime (with LSPs a likely game changer) …
takes like “it’s fast!”, “LSP!”, “it now has snippets!” … along with people telling me it has a plug-in system, but doesn’t (cf python/lua runtimes of sublime/nvim) give me massive hype vibes and honestly just feels very “2020s-tech”.
Is the new #zed editor mostly hype rn?
I can believe it’s good and cool ( built in graphics and collab seem to me like good ideas).
But as someone who happily stayed with sublime (with LSPs a likely game changer) …
takes like “it’s fast!”, “LSP!”, “it now has snippets!” … along with people telling me it has a plug-in system, but doesn’t (cf python/lua runtimes of sublime/nvim) give me massive hype vibes and honestly just feels very “2020s-tech”.
Unfortunately it’s unlikely to come soon as mastodon is a while away from implementing groups and are doing it their own incompatible way.
This tag process works though and I’m happy the lemmy devs implemented it.
Spread the word.
I don’t believe so. I’m pretty sure I’ve checked it, but I could be wrong.
It makes sense though as hashtags are a different mechanism from follows and boosts.
You could do a quick test with the test community and the test hashtag.
@hrefna @tschenkel @astrojuanlu @programming
Yea ... it seems that things like this are part of Julia's problem ...
that for many the "two language problem" is actually the "two language solution" that's working just fine and as intended, or as you say, well enough to make an ecosystem jump seem too costly.
Yea I remember reading about some deeper issues with the language (Dan Luu was quite dark on it I think) and that more or less turned me off. At the time I would have had to have been amongst some dedicated users urging me on to consider adoption.
In general, how much more performant would you say Rust is or can be than Julia? Any good resources on this?
What's interesting about this take is that it targets the whole "two language" thing and implies that it might be a fool's errand.
Problem with that logic is that python was essentially "reborn" at some point 2010-2012.
That's when scipy, pandas and notebooks all came together, and with early pandas putting python on the map more than some (cough - Guido - cough) are willing to admit.
Of course the maturity of the ecosystem by then is part of it ... but also pushing through the python 3 situation wasn't trivial and likely speaks to the momentum the science stack brought to the ecosystem.
@tschenkel @astrojuanlu @programming
I understood ... I was reaching for some shorthand (500 char limits FTW!)
There's probably a good amount of work that exists somewhere between your needs and "could be a spreadsheet", where caring about performance isn't an issue or hasn't surfaced yet, either practically or culturally (where the boundaries of what research *can* be done "tomorrow" are of importance)
BTW, cheers for all the info!!
@tschenkel @astrojuanlu @programming
I'd suppose part of the problem might be that there's a somewhat hidden 3rd category of user that "feels" whatever added complexity there is in a two-language lang like julialang and has no real need for performant "product" code.
And that lack of adoption amongst this cohort and your first enforces lang separation.
I may be off base with whether there's a usability trade off, but I'd bet there's at least the perception of one.
> Maybe nobody (save for the Julia developers) ever cared about the "two language problem"
Yea, it’s what prompted my post. I saw in a rust forum push back on the two language thing but from the lower level side (where they were arguing about introducing lazier memory management facilities on the basis that you should just use swift/Python etc).
And re MATLAB … absolutely! This is not a diss against Julia at all.
Did #julialang end up kinda stalling or at least plateau-ing lower than hoped?
I know it's got its community and dedicated users and has continued development.
But without being in that space, and speculating now at a distance, it seems it might be an interesting case study in a tech/lang that just didn't have landing spot it could arrive at in time as the tech-world & "data science" reshuffled while julia tried to grow ... ?
Can a language ever solve a "two language" problem?
Yea. The basic idea feels like something that's kinda been forgotten in the wake of big-social's long dominance and vanilla-ification of online activity.
I even once asked the dev of a popular mastodon app who was expressing interesting in making a lemmy app too ... "why not just add lemmy compatibility to the mastodon app".
Their response was that they couldn't see what that would look like or how it would work.
It's all just text messages ... I don't think this is hard!
A useful lens I find is whether a social media system is good at creating, facilitating and hosting genuine communities.
Alt-social right now is struggling with this I think and, IMO, has plenty of room to grow in this regard.
The difficulty though is that it requires more features in our platforms, some likely non-trivial. That's a big ask for an open non-profit ecosystem.
An effective means of aggregating multiple parts into a unified view could alleviate this.
Personally, I'm there with you I think. I only use default web-UIs on all fediverse platforms I've used, and advocate for that.
But should multi-protocol systems and multi-platform clients become normalised, I think this goes beyond "to app or not to app". What I'm talking about could likely just be a web-app.
The issue is more around aggregation and creating something "greater than the sum of its parts" out of open alt-social.
Is there any real or serious conversation or work around the idea of a feature-full social media browser?
Basically something like a web browser but for “all the social media” along with useful organisation features too.
For locked down big social APIs, this makes less sense nowadays, but for open alt-social systems, \it is likely the most valuable promise of such systems\ that they can become like the web, reachable through an awesome all-in-one app.
@fediverse
Probably not original at all. But I suspect there's something to framing it around "improving the quality of internet discourse" through the emergent dynamics of a federation ... especially in comparison to monolithic big-social.
It also repositions the internet as a broader resource to be used effectively.
And instills independent and contentiously incompatible instances along with widely connected federation as desirable positives for social media and the internet in general.
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A thought on "moderation bubbles"
A plurality of contentiously incompatible but independent moderation "spaces" ... is the only way in which the internet is good at digesting substantial and contentious topics.
\* conversations on the internet generally suck. \* On any contentious front, strong moderation can run the risk of "echo chambers". \* For those willing to survey multiple "bubbles", an interconnected plurality provides a de facto dialectics.
Thus federation for the win!
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A tricky part here is that the community still needs to be followed at least once on your instance for the content to come through. *I think*
So if a community isn't coming through, I'd recommend these steps:
* Search for the community and follow it like any other user.
* Add it to a specific/bespoke list, then remove that list from home (a setting available on each list). This removes "the firehose" from your home feed.
* Follow the corresponding tag as you would any other
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Following #lemmy communities from #mastodon has gotten much better
Version 19.4 introduced automatic hashtag-ing (see https://lemmy.ml/post/16585416)
Posts get federated with a hashtag matching the community name.
The important bit is that comments to posts \don't\ get the tags.
Which means you can follow the corresponding tag on mastodon and get a feed only of posts.
EG: #asklemmy
If you're starting a community, giving it a unique enough name could help prevent overlap too.
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Be sure to check out the "catch up" feature. Best thing I've seen in any social media client I think.
I had no prior knowledge of what these #mastodon app numbers were but found myself pretty surprised at
\* Mastodon's dominance (\~34% counting web and apps) ... compared with \* How little market share "celebrated" iOS (ivory & icecubes) and web apps (elk, phanpy) have (4.3% total, 0.7% for elk+phanpy) \* But all that (and the other listed items) are only \~50% with the rest consisting of "thousands" more!
Genuinely sad to see elk and phanpy not get more love.
Doing some "cold-call" business/professional emailing recently, And I feel the specter of #AI
I can't see my emails seeming genuine or real or human.
Formal digital text seems even less human or trust worthy than it did in previously.
The urge to have a phone call is stronger than ever for me (as a millennial that \never\ picks up).
For me, this is new, and I only noticed now and I'm a little disturbed at how AI silently altered my world view despite not really using it
Something I've found disappointing in the "AI conversation" around me ...
... there hasn't been enough honest introspection about how this whole thing feels and likely will feel.
Like, there's something disturbing in AI's first "success" being "art" and "music".
There's something disturbing about how we were never going to be able to help ourselves & are compelled to make things like LLMs, but can still be frightened by its implications.
anger v hype leaves all that out
@mick_collins @Subversivo @fediverse @fediversenews
I'm not familiar enough (or at all) with C#, but AFAICT, it could make an instance more stable, as firefish and misskey have struggled with handling a decent amount of users and C# could be a faster system for the server.
Also, a re-write sometimes is a good thing. And, developers have different preferences for languages, so having a C# project around enables C# devs to more easily contribute to the fedi.
Iceshrimp: A #csharp fediverse platform
Was just told (by @Subversivo ) about this: https://iceshrimp.dev/iceshrimp/iceshrimp.net
\#Iceshrimp are rewriting the whole thing (a JS/Node #misskey / #firefish fork) in C# with Blazor for the frontend.
Cool to see. Should handle the performance issues that have plagued the \*key forks and maybe provide a new general branch of fediverse platform.
What lang/stack isn't represented on the fediverse now? C++, Kotlin?
And to really get it you have to have been a vulnerable commuter (cyclist etc) in an encounter with a car where they've clearly just not seen you and will kill you if you're not constantly on the look out for such things.
Despite being well informed about such things I was still shocked my "first time" as I watched a car just turn into me like I wasn't there while the driver was looking elsewhere.
cars were already a problem. Weaponising them with tech hype is toxic.
Lemmy federates pretty well with mastodon. From mastodon you can follow a community as you would any person/user.
There are two major problems though.
- everything in that community comes through as a flat firehose, including comments. There's structuring into posts with comments inside.
- Mastodon doesn't understand the type of object lemmy sends over ActivityPub, and so simply provides a title and a link to the original post.
Also, you can just follow lemmy users on mastodon.
UI differences are a big factor in the success/failure of decentralised federation of diverse platforms and content
And this seems a good example: bridged #mastodon posts onto #BlueSky which has a lower character limit than Mastodon.
So, just like #lemmy posts on mastodon, you don't get the full content of the post (which ends with an abrupt ellipsis here) and have to take a link to the original platform.
However powerful the underlying protocols, this isn't far from screenshots.
I'm slowly realising that I probably have some mild #LongCovid
Since having covid (now had it twice since 2022): iron deficiencies, breathing problems, constant asthma, and now a sudden allergy to some foods apparently.
My partner and I have been careful throughout the pandemic but clearly not careful enough at times (twice each) since "opening up".
And though it could be far far worse, I feel pretty violated right now TBH.
Google's play on Search, Ads and AI feels obvious to me.
\* They know search is broken. \* And that people use AI in part because it takes the ads and SEO crap out. \* IE, AI is now what Google was in 2000. A simple window onto the internet. \* Ads/SEO profits will fall with AI. \* But Google will then just insert shit into AI "answers" for money. \* Ads managed + up-to-date AI will be their new mote and golden goose.
See @caseynewton 's blog post: https://mastodon.social/@caseynewton/112442253435702607
The fediverse won’t succeed at putting up a #Stackoverflow substitute and that’s a problem?
Just an impression: All the pieces seem to be there. But what’s required is a team, with devs, PMs and coordinators, dedicated to making a particular place in the #fediverse .
That’s resources and decently sized financial and organisational demands, especially to get a critical mass of users.
Is the fediverse up to that challenge? If not, is it an issue worth addressing?
Nice demonstration of why mastodon's dominance is problematic
See the conversions here: https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/pull/4628 and https://socialhub.activitypub.rocks/t/federating-the-content-of-posts-note-articles-and-character-limits/4087
AFAICT, mastodon's decisions, which are arguably problematic (on which see: https://lemmy.ml/post/14973403) are literally trickling down to other platforms and infecting how they federate with each other as they dance around mastodon's quirks in different ways.
It seems like masto is ruining "the standard" with its gravity.
Reflecting on the firefish/calckey "moment"
which was about a year ago now, I can't help but suspect it was a small event with wider implications on the dominance of #mastodon in the #fediverse
I think it was the last chance to direct the twitter migration energy into discovering new/different fedi platforms.
And it was blown, with alt-social in a weird steady/waiting state that's smaller I suspect, than what many hoped for.
@fediverse \#firefish #calckey
cntd: https://hachyderm.io/@maegul/112358202238795371
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People are actually on BlueSky
There's now a decent measurement of #bluesky user numbers (https://bskycharts.edavis.dev/edavis.dev/bskycharts.edavis.dev/bsky\_users\_total.html) ...
They've got about 1.6M MAUs ... & 0.8M Weekly unique users & 0.340M Daily.
That's not nothing!
Roughly double mastodon and 60% more than the whole fediverse (by MAUs, see fedidb.org).
Bluesky is quite "international" with large Japanese and Brazilian popltns, and there's real attrition happening IMO.
Still, let the protocol wars begin I suppose?
Plugins for fediverse platforms.
Where is this up to? Is anyone thinking along these lines?
I've seen @db0 espouse such (eg https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/comment/8581651) (sorry for the tag if annoying).
I've certainly thought of it myself ... because it's a pretty obvious idea for an ecosystem aiming for richness and sustainability.
Seems a perfect fit for reusable moderation tooling too, rather than each new platforms having that trouble.
This is essentially #bluesky 's idea it seems.
The "No CGI" dynamic around films is odd and reveals, IMO, that mainstream anti-tech sentiment in capitalism only flies as a consumer's affectation.
I didn't know about this apart from the usual under-appreciation and under-paying of VFX staff.
But then the "No CGI is just invisible CGI" series (https://www.youtube.com/@TheMovieRabbitHole/videos) and this clip about the Barbie behind the scenes \hiding the bluescreen by filling it in\ (https://youtu.be/fPNpFqXraKE?si=yYu569bY8d41DZ2f&t=509) ... reveals a profession is being smothered.
Not knowing US constitutional law, it seems to me the SCOTUS decision might mean that the Dems missed an opportunity when they had the house
That it’s a federal matter seems legally predictable/natural to me, and that it then falls to congress to enforce then also seems natural.
What am I missing on that?
Otherwise, what would the Dems have had to lose by passing an act when they had the house? The 14th was right there.
maegul @hachyderm.io A little bit of computing and a little bit of neuroscience.
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