MacBook Air owner?
MacBook Air owner?
2018/2019 models are losing #Apple support.
OptGreen with #GNU/#Linux to keep your device in use! These machines will run beautifully for many years to come.
Not only wallet friendly, #upcycling keeps CO2 emissions out of the atmosphere. Ca. 75% of Apple's emissions comes from production alone (details in alt text).
Sustainable, independent #FreeSoftware: Better for users, best for the #environment.
This is misleading. The models mentioned won't get the latest MacOS update, true, but they will be supported. My older 2016 MBP is stuck on BigSur or something, but gets security updates regularly and doesn't have any incompatibilities so far. I could probably force update it if I wanted to. Apple is known for supporting their devices for longer than other manufacturers.
Apple devices have enough legit reasons for criticism, no need to make up new ones.
I am also still using my 2015 macbook pro A1502, the battery isn't as good but it can still run my daily tasks. Its still on Catalina, there is no need to upgrade.
Theres always Linux if I ever wanted to upgrade OS.
The last few OS releases will continue to get security updates, but new versions of the OS won't support those models at all.
The pine64 products all look quite nice. I was thinking of getting one of those phones (Linux based) next time mine dies. I can confirm the pinecil is the best soldering iron I’ve used and it’s only $26. The laptop they sell also has decent stats
I was looking into linux phones myself but I always hear others say how the ones on the market aren't developed enough and have lots of bugs :(
The app compatibility is what I’d be most worried about. Not enough people want to buy them since there are bugs. But there aren’t enough people buying to justify devs fixings these bugs. It needs some momentum, it seems
Mac book pro from 2012 still going, not strong, Bluetooth barely works, there's a dying row of pixels, on the screen, the CPU doesn't seem to support any modem video codec in accelerated mode, and the speakers were clearly garbage and it doubles how bad the Bluetooth is. But it's running pop os! And it's running it fine. I mean as long as you connect via rustdesk to another real machine to do real work. It can't handle tabs or browser rendering...
Anyway even if i retire it today, it's outlasted 3 work laptops.
Especially if it’s a 12”, parts to straighten that thing out are dirt cheap. Last time I did display work on the old late 2012 12”, the owner wanted a whole new upper assembly, top clamshell and all and it was ~$100.
Sorry, my old Toshiba was on it's last legs, it's from like 2010. Good news is I'm hoping the Framework I just got will be the last and now I'll just upgrade, because I can, for as long as 64gb of DDR5 will get me (only 32gb rn, but once ddr6 comes out and ddr5 gets cheaper it'll be go time and extend the life until I need to upgrade the mainboard and by that time it'll be ddr7/8/9!)
I'm thinking sodimms will be retired by the time ddr6 comes out, and replaced by the camm2 standard everyone is talking about.
Neat! Well whatever it is, when it's time hopefully they'll have a board that supports it.
I've seen some impressive traction on newer videos putting Linux on (intel) Apple devices for example. Purely anecdotal but regularly hitting 100k+ views on Linux videos is something that I've only seen in the last year or so and moreso on videos documenting "hardware restoration".
Depending on the specific model, an Intel Mac running Linux is a very sustainable and repairable choice for a computer.
In my experience repairing all kinds of equipment, it doesn’t matter how long it’s officially supported or if the company made a bunch of boards to sell as parts, but instead how many are available on the second hand market!
Anyone knows how the usage is being estimated? What is the expected lifespan and how does one come up with a carbon budget there?
@phoenix It looks to be statistical inference based on sampled and modelled data. On p. 57 of the report: "To model customer use, we measure the power consumed by a product while it is running in a simulated scenario. Daily usage patterns are specific to each product and are a mixture of actual and modeled customer use data."
The number of devices for the statistical inferences is: "In fiscal year 2018, we sold 217,722,000 iPhone devices, 43,535,000 iPad units, and 18,209,000 Mac products."
@phoenix Regarding the assumed operating life of devices:
"For the purposes of our assessment, years of use, which are based on first owners, are modeled to be four years for macOS and tvOS devices and three years for iOS and watchOS devices. Most Apple products last longer and are passed along, resold, or returned to Apple by the first owner for others to use."
Hope that helps!
Thank you, that sheds some light onto it, yes. I'm still wondering how this number marches up. Just using the device by far uses not even comparable amount of energy than e.g. the production and then it also depends if you use green energy or a diesel generator in your backyard.
Not sure how to read this.
IPad second gen, dead speakers, barely does anything anymore
My dad uses it for music
@sleepybisexual
Wired/wireless speaker's I guess?
@be4foss
I guees, never saw him use it
Also a good point, this isn't to knock products like the Fairphone since they're offering extremely long product support windows, which should drive down demand for new devices and reduce their carbon footprint.
5 year old computers are end of life? What is wrong with apple. I'm glad I only bought one iphone and moved back to android afterwards
I may be completely wrong but don’t Samsung, Google etc. stop supporting OS updates on Android phones after 5-6 years? Apple have supported devices for 6-8 years AFAIK.
On the other hand, I can put an open OS on my Android and get security updates long after the manufacturer has abandoned it. Can't do that with an iPhone. (But honestly, few Android devices make it easy, and none that I know of allow every little part of the system to be supported this way.)
It's about time we started legally requiring manufacturers to unlock our hardware when support ends, and release the driver specs ahead of time, so the open software community can take over support. The unending accumulation of e-waste due to nothing more than abandoned software is unforgivable.
This goes hand-in-hand with the right to repair.
Yeah this same conversation happens every time one of these headlines comes up and gets misinterpreted. The conclusion is usually that apple has longer than average hardware support across the board
G and S are doing 7y now, G has for almost 2y. Pixel 6 has 5y, while 7 + 8 + beyond get 7y, I believe.
@GravitySpoiled They may provide security updates for a couple of more years, but as the article points out, Intel Macs in the Apple Silicon era are on their way out.
Yep, if it's anything like the ppc to x86 transition there will be security updates for a year or two before they drop support entirely.
Writing this message on an 13 year old thinkpad that still got a lot of life in it!
Not that big of an issue. Although Intel-based Macs won’t get software updates, they will be fine for many more years. My 2013 iMac is still going strong on its last os update back in 2019.
@mick @GravitySpoiled Although you can always of course use the excellent Opencore Legacy Patcher to (unofficially) run the latest version of macOS on Macs going back to 2007. That will run great on your machine.