Israeli military rescues four hostages alive from Gaza, including Noa Argamani

I'm struggling with everything on this article. On the one hand anytime a hostage has been freed, that's good news. On the other, at what cost. 40 000 dead. That's the easy stat. Amputations are also incredibly high. Most of them kids and performed without anesthetic. This is the first time the IDF has rescued hostages. So I'm sitting here with my initial feeling of 'oh, that's good news' ,and then I think about the wider picture and context, and it doesn't seem so good anymore.

And half a dozen months ago they could have had a ceasefire to have them released, along with the ones that STILL aren't released.
- Nah, that was the one that Egypt fucked up. There had not been an actual agreed upon hostage transfer since the first one. Hamas also won’t give actual information on the hostages. This whole thing is just war crimes the whole way down.
- "we don't negotiate with terrorists" and that stance is "non-negotiable." If only these terrorists would just stop and do what we want.
Three months ago the IDF also rescued 3 hostages by killing many civilians. They bomb entire neighbourhoods to rubble as a distraction mechanism for their teams to go in.
- They bomb entire neighbourhoods to rubble as a distraction mechanism for their teams to go in.
  Those human shields had it coming. /S or I guess they're human bait now?
Imagine how much resources hamas spent on keeping these hostages and how many lives could be saved if they just released them all before the ground operation was started.
- Netanyahu said since November that even if all hostages were released he was going to invade anyway and not stop the war.
- Just think about how many lives could have been saved if Israel worked towards a two state solution
Maybe the Palestinians themselves devalue their own lives compared to Israeli lives. Just look at when they agreed to a ceasefire and traded hostages for prisoners: each hostage was worth multiple prisoners released by Israel.
This is also noticeable when Hamas use their own population as human shields, exemplified by when they hide their soldiers and weapons in hospitals and schools. Or when they blend in with civilians on purpose by not using any combatant uniform like the IDF do. They really don't care for their own civilians. These are only useful for acting as human shields and, if they're killed or injured, strike a pose for NatGeo-style photos in their attempts to appeal to western sentiment.
- Maybe the Palestinians themselves devalue their own lives compared to Israeli lives.
  What the fuck
- Maybe the Palestinians themselves devalue their own lives compared to Israeli lives.
  You should just stop right there. If your logic depends on saying "they actually don't value their lives as much as others" then please stop and ask "what the hell is wrong with yourself?". People who think like this probably value their life least of all. /s
- I could be wrong, but I haven't seen any independent verification that Hamas has been using hospitals and schools for bases, but I'm positive that there's been debunked Israeli reports that schools and hospitals have been used as Hama's bases.
  Same thing for human shields. IDF admits to using Palestinians as shields. To my knowledge, there's no Hamas equivalent.
  This 'war' isn't about Hamas anyways. If it was, there wouldn't be 1000 people killed in the west bank. Hamas isn't in the west bank. Why is the IDF letting people kill Palestinians in the west bank?
- Fuck of Nazis scum.

It's curious they always highlight the

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missing_white_woman_syndrome

I'm glad more hostages are free, but for me it doesn't sit well the result... 200 people dead to save 4. At least the IDF are improving, luckily this time they didn't kill the hostages.

Who is organizing these rescue operations? Homelander?

But to the IDF the 200 people killed weren't people. So the math maths.
- Yup, see the person below you saying almost exactly that in more clinical - but clearly sincere - terms.
  Edit: When I say they are "sincere" that is not to say there is any merit to what they are saying. I'm pointing out that they actually believe this garbage is justification for the mass slaughter of children.
Hamas is already willing to agree to the US peace plan, so the only thing preventing the rest of the hostages making it to their homes is political will, and with much less risk.
Are semitic people white? If so, so are the Arabs.
Hamas kidnap kills then kidnap a bunch of israeli people hide them among civilians and within even their refugee camps IDF frees some of them Lots of civilian casualties Pro-Pal peeps, oh no, look what the IDF did
I'm glad the hostages were saved, and can't wait for hamas to lose.
- Israel is committing war crimes, so of course it is white, duh!
- This echo chamber doesn't want to hear about the fact that Hamas is a murderous terror group that intentionally endangers Palestinian civilians to further its religious and political cause.
- So you're fine with 200+ dead civilians to save 4 hostages?
🎵Natalie Holloway. That angel!
It's only 200 people. How many people am I worth? 200 kidnappers? 199kidnapers and I kid? 198 kidnappers, 2 kids, 3 moms, 5 elders and cousin Vinny? Couldn't they just get the victims out and catch the kidnappers instead?
They even lost one of their own soldiers in the process
- And killed 3 other hostages in the massacre
Obviously it’s good to minimize collateral damage and casualties wherever possible. But I see no issue with this result.
If a country values the lives of their citizens they will rescue them and spill any blood needed. Conversely, a nation that values its cut will try to minimize the harm that could come to them and keep hostages far from where they are.
- If a terrorist holds hostages in amongst hundreds of INNOCENT PEOPLE it's fine to massacre them all. When you could have just got all your hostages released by accepting peace. Cool moral compass you have there
- What if Hamas is spilling blood because they value their citizens and land?

Great news. Not sure if genocide of the Gaza population is necessary for that.

It is not.
This article doesn't mention if anyone was killed in the raid, Hamas or civilians.
- 94 dead Palestinians, including children.
- [Israel rescues 4 hostages in raid Gaza officials say killed over 200 ] (https://edition.cnn.com/middleeast/live-news/israel-hamas-war-gaza-news-06-08-24?ref=upstract.com)
  Edit: the number is now 274 Palestinians killed in this operation:
  How an Israeli raid freed 4 hostages and killed at least 274 Palestinians in Gaza
Holocaust? Wasn't 'genocide' drastic enough anymore?
- I know right? I've always thought calling it genocide a flagrant exxageration. When I think of genocide, it comes to mind images of some evil dictator using poison gas in a population, chemical weapons, an atomic bomb, etc.
  To be a true genocide, it must be an indiscriminate elimination of the population of a nation or an ethnicity. It's not the case of Isreal, which is targeting specifically the militants of Hamas. Just because there are civilian colateral damage in the process does not make it a genocide automatically, because the civilians are not what the IDF is after. They're after Hamas militants. Gaza has a very high population density, and the Hamas militants don't use any uniform to differentiate them from the civilians. They do it on purpose to make the IDF hesitant, and get them by surprise. They hide themselves in buildings that they know the IDF would be hesitant to attack, like hospitals, schools and mosques. They play dirty, and then cry genocide when the IDF respond to their missiles sent to Israel's territory.

they could have had all the hostages if they didn't reject the ceasefire proposal......

Do you have any credible sources where Hamas made that promise? Because from what have read they never wanted to agree to releasing them

the death toll of the operation is up to 274 palestinians and 3 hostages now.

They never really understood the Trolly Problem.
- "We're gonna need a second trolley!"
- Zero. US Special forces are not involved in this. You keep spreading that lie which earns you a temp ban.

... And massacred a bunch of Palestinians but they're not white so who cares amirite???

There is a majority of Mizrahi jews (ie: not white) in Israel as compared to "white" jews, mostly from European countries.
So your comment is fucking stupid.
- Not really. You're responding to something I didn't claim. But enjoy tilting at that strawman

And this time IDF didn't shoot them!

hostages' lives are valued for as long as they give casus belli for war

This honestly wouldn't surprise me, Delta is quite skilled at this and we almost never hear about their ops. US wants hostages to end the war faster but not admit being there, so easy to just let IDF take credit, despite them shooting hostages instead of rescuing them.
"Word" is your source is nonsense. Removed for misinformation.
Ah, yes. The famously incompetent IDF. Unlike those US SOF who have definitely never screwed up in any way.
Do you have any real evidence that US forces are operating in Israel besides your hatred of Israel?
- Criticism of the Israeli government, valid or not, doesn't my immediately mean we hate Israel or Jews, for crying out loud
Wait, isn't "US boots on the ground in Gaza" one of the things people warned would happen if trump is elected? Interesting 🤔
- Did the US have people there? Top of this thread says "word is" which is like Trump doing his "people are saying" bullshit.
  Links to reputable sources?

The Israeli military had US support in rescuing four captives from Gaza in a "complex daytime operation" in Nuseirat that killed over 200 Palestinians.

The Palestinian government media office in Gaza said the death toll from Israel's attack on central Gaza had reached at least 210, with 400 more wounded.

The Palestinian health ministry confirmed that a large number of dead and wounded Palestinian had arrived at Al-Aqsa Martyrs hospital. It said that most of them were children and women.

"I came from the camp to here in the hospital on foot. I can't describe how we fled. I saw dead children and body parts strewn all over as we fled. No one was able to assist them. I saw an elderly man killed on a animal-drawn cart.

"Nuseirat was being annihilated. It was hell."

210 people killed 4 rescued. Mission accomplished everyone. Don't forget to thank Biden for his direct military involvement in this operation.

50 civilians killed indiscriminately per 1 hostage freed. And that's not counting everyone that's already been killed in this war.
I think anyone with a shred of morality is heavily conflicted by this. Saving hostages? Great. Killing 50x as many people as those saved? Not great. Not great at all.
It naturally leads itself to the question we're all thinking -- was it worth it?
And I think many of us have the same answer, although we may not like it -- no. It pains me to say it, but it would've been better to let them stay hostage for longer while developing a plan which wouldn't kill civilians.
- Unfortunately, the alternate option was not "let them stay hostage a while longer". It was "let the hostages die". And maybe that would have been the more ethical call. But let's not delude ourselves that they could have been kept alive any other way.
Many people are saying if it had been Trump he would have gotten the hostages out in 24 hours. It would have been a perfect operation. The best you've seen.

Nice work IDF. Four alive hostages rescued is good news.

It is good.
I wonder how many other innocent people being murdered justifies saving other innocent people.
Can you kill 100 to rescue 4. What about 1000 or 10000.
The fact is they could have accepted any number of ceasefire deals to release these hostages, but they chose to keep murdering more people and further creating the next generation of Hamas signups.
- The fact is they could have accepted any number of ceasefire deals to release these hostages, but they chose to keep murdering more
  And the fact that hamas could have released them all before the operation was even started.
At what cost?
- 210 Palestinians killed according to the news reports.
  Edit: 274 Palestinians killed.
  How an Israeli raid freed 4 hostages and killed at least 274 Palestinians in Gaza

This is the best summary I could come up with:

Israeli security forces rescued four hostages during a daytime raid in central Gaza Saturday, including Noa Agramani, who became of the face of the hostages taken during the Oct. 7 attacks after harrowing video of her abduction was seen around the world.

The hostages have been transferred to an Israeli hospital near Tel Aviv, where authorities say they are in "good medical condition."

The rescued hostages are Argamani, 25, Almog Meir Jan, 21, Andrey Kozlov, 27, and Shlomi Ziv, 40, according to a statement issued by The Israel Defense Forces, Israel Securities Authority and the Israel Police.

They were among those kidnapped by Hamas during the Nova music festival on Oct. 7, and are now at the Sheba Tel-HaShomer Medical Center near Tel Aviv for further examination.

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Amazing news!

Yo mods why you remove my comment?

Edit: Essentially asking the same questions as JayTreeman.

Edit 2: It appears my comment was reinstated after I provided a source to counter the misinformation report. I would expect better of the mods to do some due diligence before just censoring comments. There is enough of this in the MSM and it does nothing to further allow people to see what is happening. Thank whichever mod undid the action, hoping it was little_cow but not sure.