Mastodon thread where a lib shuts down after getting owned

The US is "drilling" in order to keep the economy going, your transportation moving until alternate energy can take over.

At the SAME TIME he has invested MORE in alternative energy projects than any other president in history. He also has reduced drilling on federal lands.

I keep getting told that EVs will save the world. Yet I’m not allowed to buy a cheap Chinese EV while being encouraged to spend a salary on a bazinga car that will brick if you open the door while updating the car. Is the government even subsidizing other car companies to come up with EVs? I don’t hear anything about Toyotas or Hondas which are known to be reliable.

People keep assuming I want Biden to perfect lol. I just want him to be good, and I can’t even have that. He doesn’t care about anything except getting Israel what it wants. What promise has he made that was kept after becoming president? What platform does he even have this year? If he doesn’t care why should I?

erhm, sorry sweaty but the chinese EVs were sent as a deliberate economic attack.
The US is "drilling" in order to keep the economy going, your transportation moving until alternate energy can take over.
I can remember libs using this argument for why Obama wasn't moving fast enough on alternative energy and aggressively addressing climate change. How long can libs keep on making this argument when we've known that we had to make significant changes for 50+ year, if not more, and are already to late to change course? Guess only after most of the major cities on both coasts are underwater.
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what platform ….
same one as last go round… “im not trump”
thats it. my name is not Trump.

For better or worse, our choices are Biden or Trump. Anything else is a distraction.

Doesn't sound like a democracy to me. If that's the case, there is another choice: Fight the system entirely.

Don't aprove of Biden's policies? There will be plenty of time to pressure his administration after the election.

No, there literally will not. There is only one time you can pressure him, when he needs something from you. He needs nothing from anyone afterwards.

There will be plenty of time to pressure his administration after the election.
they were saying the exact same thing 4 years ago. How much pressuring have they done since then?
- What, you haven't seen the gish gallop they have saved to their clipboard that double dips on counting a bunch of "more female drone pilots" stuff and other things that never happened, already expired, or otherwise are counted as a win even though it was just a giveaway to big corporations and the MIC?
- The people doing all the pressuring are busy getting their skulls cracked by the state, as is tradition.
Oh, are we doing "push him left" again?
- skeletor keeps going up in front of the nation telling us to our faces "i will not be swayed by any action and trying to do so is actually terrorism" the libs know this was a lie forever and always
You can't pressure him ever or else trump wins!!!!!!!!!

We should sue them out of existence as soon as we have made a speedy switch to alternative energy sources.

🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡

So, never?
- Eventually™
Yeah, let's use the same system that led to Stephen Donzinger being on house arrest for daring to take on Chevron for destroying people's water supply and then some. I'm sure the courts (that keep handing democrats asses to them) will come in clutch this time!
It's exhausting seeing people have to repeat the same mistakes every four years. As if people haven't laid down on the barbed wire in order to let the younger generations get further than we could.

Push for Trump there will never be another election and you will never see a change for the better

If your country is one vote away from losing Democracy, it's already lost it

When Biden is president, he can't even brush his teeth without congressional approval, but somehow trump will burn it all down in one day?
- Less-fanatical libs see the US gov like a ratchet: it will develop fascism freely when a Republican is in office, but it'll be halted temporarily by a Democrat. Why these people are satisfied by a short pause (that doesn't even happen) is beyond me.
- I was arguing with someone in Tiktok comments about this. They were saying I want gay people to die because I don't support Biden. Later in the argument I asked what Biden has done to protect gay people and they said something like, "He can't do anything because of Congress and the Supreme Court".
  I'm astounded by these people who believe voting is the only thing we can do to affect our government, while simultaneously believing that you automatically need to give that vote to a party that doesn't do anything for you.

Unlimited KKKlanadian wildfire$ on U$AmeriKKKan lung$

nobody on the right side of history has ever tried to call someone "recalcitrant"

From the replies
"Too many people cling to the fantastical notion that a perfect candidate exists. I don’t even believe such a thing is theoretically possible (let alone even remotely possible in practice). And that’s before I even start ranting about how whack our electoral system is, and how it’s only capable of giving us mediocre-at-best candidates…"

If your system is broken you try to change it. Not play aling with it. Why call it a democracy if you're only allowed to decide between two brain rotten dudes I wouldn't even put it in charge of a 7/11.

Ever notice how libs don't even talk about fighting back against Trump if he wins again? It's all "enjoy your reeducation camp/family being murdered"
They will not fight for anything. It's an alien concept. The ones that say "any means necessary" are making excuses for Fanni Willis and her lover/employee potentially blowing an open and shut case.
Lib: "They're adults, they deserve love"
Anyone else: "yeah, but this was super important and could have waited til the case was over. This was such an own goal"
Lib: "yeah well... Orange man bad"
The perfect candidate does exist and her name is Claudia De La Cruz.
- Her campaign announcement video is so based. In the first minute she's talking about seizing the assets of the top 100 companies on day 1.

all I see is a circlejerk of blueanon libs?

Biden has already shown that overall in time his alternative fuel sources will reduce world wide drilling and reduce our dependence on foreign oil now--

FOREIGN oil?? Do they care about the envionment or do they care about Russia?

i think we all know the answer to that one
Not to mention that the US is a net exporter to the tune of 1.64 million barrels of crude per day (completely ignoring LNG etc).

why would you ever admit to being canadian

and then they continue to say shit about donodubus

Liberalism is a goddamned disease and those stricken with it are hopeless

The last part is the most important. The last year has shown me that there is no sense even trying to reach them. If they come to us in good faith, that's different.

There will be plenty of time to pressure his administration after the election.
I love this perspective. It's so funny. Like, in the ideal of a democracy, a representative earns your votes by promising things in your interest. But in a bourgeois democracy, it works differently. Your vote is not earned, it is expected, and if you don't vote for them, you get the punishment. Shame on you for not voting for me, that's not how this works, you're my dog!

This concept of "not voting for X is a vote for Y" is so annoying, and so pervasive. You cannot get away from it. It makes 0 sense but it's also accepted as some undeniable basic political truth. And it's not like it matters anyways, the popular vote literally does not matter in the US.

I've even tried the "there are three buckets" argument and they still can't get it.
There are three buckets. A red one, a blue one, and a green one. I pour my cup of water into the green one, or directly on the ground. So, how is it that you count my water going into the red bucket?
imho the logic is reasonable but they don't take it to its logical conclusion. Every dollar not donated to X is a dollar donated to Y!
- its completely unreasonable logic that holds up in no other scenario
  if you dont eat X then you are eating Y
  THEN WHY IS MY BELLY EMPTY, MOTHERFUCKERS

people really do just give themselves completely over to faith huh

like, the gist of the argument is that 'of course eventually we'd switch from fossil fuels to alternative energy, because we're creating all this new tech!', but prodding any further makes it clear it's less like 'of course it'll happen' and more 'i have faith this will happen', because they haven't/can't/won't examine anything further

like motherfucker, Biden won't be alive to DO any of that!! bro's not making it past 2028 AT MOST do you really think he's getting shit flipped to alternative energy in that time? we're suddenly gonna be divested of fossil fuels in HIS lifetime? let alone ANY of our lifetimes? please be for real with me cmon

Do you know how goddamned long I've heard "we are on the brink of renewable energy" only to have the rug pulled every time? I remember when people were hopeful for a future of flying cars, food in pill form, and robots to do all of our work.
Do kids even talk about that kind of stuff anymore or have we completely crushed their spirits?
- Glances at childhood depression rates
- food in pill form, and robots to do all of our work.
  Those two were fulfilled actually, but in typical manner of capitalism: drug addiction epidemic and joblessness/multiple jobs.

this is some fucking nobody how is this not against the rule that was supposed to stop these posts in the dunk tank

Hexbear would be a gaming forum if it wasn't for random internet losers to dunk on.
This is distilled liberal talking points that are ubiquitous and frustrating to encounter, and sometimes I like seeing the counter arguments people post here
it did get (for mastodon) some numbers and a good amount of replies. But yeah, vague rule is vague. If you think it violates the rule report it ig

Thank you for transcribing it

no problem!

Joe Biden was so mad when Obama presided over record oil and gas production.

All arguments are rhetoric, none are about finding facts or truth, only winning the debate.

I've never seen so many @s in my entire life. It was very distr@cting. Is that a typical thread for Mastodon?

It's typical for literally any fediverse software.
yeah it's a microblogging site so the only way to reply to everyone who participated in a thread is to @ them.

This is a "Liberal Gets DESTROYED With FACTS and LOGIC" type of situation but actually based