Sick of internet moderators and their ego trips.
Sick of internet moderators and their ego trips.
I just want forums to chat about current events, argue about stupid fandoms, and bicker with internet trolls. Reddit used to be that, and I had hopes for Lemmy, but everything here is choked to death by over moderation that has nothing to do with keeping healthy communities. It's just thinly veiled echo chambers that don't want to admit what their community is about.
This is coming off a ban over disagreeing with vegans calling dietary disagreements the same as racism. The dude literally said different species were similar to humans having different races. I called that 1800s slave owning theory racism if I've ever seen it lmao.
I know people dont care for internet drama, I just wanted to rant. The internet of tomorrow fucking sucks.
Looking at the modlog, you weren't banned for your views but your combative and rude attitude expressed in numerous comments, breaking the rules about civility.
Rude attitude is worthy of a ban? Why are none of the rude shit talking vegans in that thread banned? And the other dude has a screenshot of my statements. What are you saying was rulebreaking civility rules?
None of my statements were attacking anything except for racist ideology.
I have no problem admitting I was being rude, the initial topic was about people enraged by the slaughter of a dolphin, and some vegans decided that was the time to shit talk people's diets in response. I was rude to people being rude.
But I never broke civility rules and was never more egregious than the vegans I was responding to.
Seems kinda like exactly my point that being rude to rude vegans being enough reason to perma ban somebody from a news sub on this site, and how that will choke this site to death.
None of my statements were attacking anything except for racist ideology.
It seems to me that amzd compared speciesism to racism, specifically to condemn speciesism, and by extention factory farms. Not to condone racism.
The step you need, to go from "racism is wrong" to "speciesism is wrong" is to extend your circle of compassion to all sentient animals and not just humans.
This is a direct quote from them that this is based on.
I had a quick look at the initial thread, but that's not my community, so I didn't care too much.
I had a look here and removed agressive comments. So I guess here we are okay for now.
I disagree with you, but that doesn't mean you should be banned. I hate censorship whoever it's against.
This is what I'm talking about. We should be free to disagree, especially in non safe spaces. It was a fucking news sub, not a vegan space.
If you just ban everybody you disagree with, nobody will ever care about your beliefs.
Anybody seeing this who's a big Lemmy booster/advocate pay close attention to OP.
Lemmy's problem isn't the software, or the servers, or even a lack of content. The thing holding Lemmy back is the people.
Power tripping mods and just fucking intolerable users are actively turning off new users from the start. If you want Lemmy to grow, don't tolerate the bad behavior.
Yup. Even after spending 4 months blocking the most rancid portions of Lemmy, its still almost unusable because of the moderation and radicalized echo chambers of users.
Example:
Quote of the first line out my mouth yesterday morning to my wife "I fucking hate conservatives" (I had just gotten done reading a bunch of conservatives cheering on the FASCIST police intervention at UT Austin).
Despite that, the conservative instance is one of the best moderated spaces on Lemmy. I go in there and shit talk their beliefs, and they debate me with sources.
Meanwhile I'm banned in multiple news groups for not agreeing implicitly with one of the power mods and banned in others news groups for arguing with racist vegan theory.
This fucking website is devolving into shittier small circus tents. Might as well be clown cars.
Colour me a little bit suspicious here, but when someone says "all I did was disagree with X" I start wondering at what the "disagreement" looked like.
Since I only have one side of the story, I'm going to reserve judgment beyond, you know, pointing out I haven't been banned anywhere that I know of and I quite often disagree with people.
Or you could look at the moderation history and my comment history.
I literally directly quoted the most controversial thing I said, they laid out an argument that non vegans are the same as racists because different species discrimination is the same as racial discrimination.
I pointed out that equating different races of humans to different species is "1800s slave owning racist theory if ive ever seen it".
Quote the most controversial thing in my comment history you can find.
Go argue with vegans in the news@lemmyworld instance and see how it plays out for you.
Edit: Apparently, it's messed up to recommend methods of empirical evidence in the face of assumption.
My bad yall, I'll just let the assumptions run next time.
Moderating against hate speech can be really difficult nowadays with risk of being sued. Anybody managing a forum or comment board of any kind has got to cover their ass, and censorship grows each day.
Theres definitely a lot more hate online now, though, people hold back a lot less in anger than they do in any other state.
I wish there were more opportunities to be parts of healthy communities. So sick of the, “that’s not what the topic of this community is.” Maybe I’ll try to make my own community, but again…. Moderations both necessary and really hard to do right. Lines to not cross are hard to make, and harder to stick to permanently.
Agreed about moderation being difficult. I get that. I just hate that these communities are going to be choked to death by garbage moderation before this site really gets going.
Is this the conversation you're talking about?
Thanks for the context
Yup. Or that's half of it. You didn't include the chain I'm quoting.
This is the second half of our conversation. We had an initial exchange where he wrote that bit I quoted to him.
I tried to take a screenshot, but im unable to view comments in the community now. I usually block communities after a ban so I don't waste time trying to interact.
If you want the rest of the thread, it's in that same comment chain with that same user.
I can't pull links from the responses in my mail or I would have put the link myself.
Full context for anyone interested https://lemmy.world/comment/9621175
Hello,
Any examples of communities where it happened? Sometimes you can escalate to the instance admins if the mods are power tripping
It was the news@lemmyworld instance.
I pinged one of the admins but no response.
Good luck with that. There are other news communities such as !globalnews@lemmy.zip, Lemmy.zip tends to have pretty laid back moderation
As an admin, I can see you just mass downvoting things and just being combative and rude (including targeted downvoting specific users). Perhaps the ego trip and problem lies inward.
Hello,
I wouldn't pay too much attention to OP.
I am the "another moderator interaction" they had today. They wanted to remove their post, but for some reason the removal hasn't been acted yet on my instance, so it's still available here, at least for some time: https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/post/11547421
See you around
Don't worry, I left the key quotes on what was civil vs uncivil according to what you singled out of that thread in another comment.
My deleted post won't prevent them from having access.
This is a great place to highlight, the problematic quote from me was
"Sorry you have bad taste" to a shitposter in a post of mine.
Right here, an admin is saying "I wouldn't pay too much attention to OP".
These both sound like a method of invalidating the input of another person to me.
For those who want to know what this admin is referencing:
I made a post in the movies sub this morning. I was notifying star wars fans there was a theatrical re-run of Episode 1 on May 4th so they should grab their tickets now.
A group of shitposters came in being assholes ranging from saying Star wars is bad to personal attacks that people who like star wars are insufferable.
People who make their whole personality about Star Wars, or Star Trek, or Marvel Comics, or whatever...
Are just as bad as potheads who make their whole personality revolve around the fact that they smoke pot.
Direct quote of one of the commenters
I simply said
"Sorry yall were born with bad taste. Hope it gets better".
And the mod specifically singled me out as they followed me from this thread.
The other comment is still up.
I only started mass downvoting super mod activity as of today in response to yet another moderator interaction. Don't try to frame the way I interacted on this site before this post with my reaction to moderator harrasment since then.
Yall can keep your modlog to yourself, and your personal attacks.
Yall are literally stalking me across different posts to start shit and now trying to dig up additional personal information to frame this profile. You call defending myself from yalls harrasment "combatative".
The only power a user has to combat yalls harrasment is the downvote button or posting and opening themselves up to further harrasment. A downvote is a legitimate form of interaction and is exactly how I plan on interacting with every super mod post going forward.
This all happened after this post, not before it, and I've had dozens of perfectly fine interactions with dozens of users on this site outside of the mods.
Enjoy preventing interaction by constant tone policing.
And I've barely used this site, but the metrics are showing it going down. The mods are literally in another thread, crying to each other about "shouting to the void". So maybe you are coping by pinning the death of your subs on one user who does not appreciate the harrasment.
Well now you know why you are losing users.
Yall pick fights with legitimate interaction in the name of civility to protect shitposting.
Edit: another mod just wrote a long personal attack justifying their behavior again. Deleted it, but I saw it.
I thought it was just a couple problematic mods, I didn't realize yall were forming a mod clique in private dialogues baking this behavior into the community.
Please leave this community.
I am asking this calmly. The vocabulary ("choking to death", "star shit", "one user who is sick of yall") you use doesn't fit with the atmosphere we want to have here.
There are plenty of other communities here when you can have the kind of interaction you enjoy having.
Have a good one.
Lol, what stalking? I was just browsing this sub, saw an inflammatory post, so I clicked the "User Modlog" button to see what you were talking about (rarely, but occasionally these kinds of whining posts have some merit - this is not one of those cases). I'm replying from this account because you're banned on my instance.
All of the comments that were modded (which are visible, BTW), were displaying very jerk-like behavior.
I have a birds-eye view of a lot of things, and people acting like jerks and then whining and playing the victim is one of the oldest plays in the book.
Again, you're lashing out when you need to be looking in.
#Blocked
If you open a new community to talk about dietary choices I'll subscribe and even comment there. Let's be the change we want to see
It wasn't a diet community, lmao, it was a news community.
That's what I mean, I disagreed with vegans in a news sub and was banned.
No problem. I will subscribe to your new news community, that you can moderate to your own liking. And you will prove that the discussion there is better and it'll grow and defeat the other news communities. I'm happy to help you
