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  • Hasn't this been known for years and years? I feel like I've seen articles like that every week for years that say the same thing. We fucked

    • NASA climatologist James Hansen testified to Congress in 1988 and the UN formed the IPCC that same year.

      The atmosphere was still at a very safe and very reasonable 350 ppm (pre-industrial normal was 280-300 ppm), so all the emissions up to 1988 could be ignored if we had just taken action after 1988.

      Since then, we fucked up. And we primarily fucked up by stopping the transition to cheap nuclear power that was already well underway, because we got scared of it after 1987 (Chernobyl).

      If we had ignored those fears and listened to James Hansen, we probably could have kept CO2 below 400. It's now 420.

      • This is not what happened. Takes like this, that oversimplify and make things seem inevitable aren't very helpful.

        For decades before 1988 and for decades after, people have advocated for the environment. The shift to an understanding that we can have an impact on our planet has been slow and hard-won. Don't pretend like one person or one hearing or one technology could have prevented all this - that's just not true.

        You may be upset that nuclear wasn't or isn't used more, but it doesn't really matter at this point - we are here, and we have really inexpensive and seemingly low impact technologies like solar and wind with battery or other types of storage. Plus, we can now have a more distributed grid with installs right in people's homes.

        Move past whatever has you hung up on nuclear, there's lots of other ways to have a positive impact on our environmental future.

      • Carter had a hugely ambitious plan to build solar power satellites to wean us off both of them. He didn't like nukes and he was a nuclear physicist.

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