Chief enforcer of US gun laws fears Americans may become numb to violence with each mass shooting
Chief enforcer of US gun laws fears Americans may become numb to violence with each mass shooting
The head of the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives says he fears that a drumbeat of mass shootings and other gun violence across the United States could make Americans numb to the bloodshed.
The head of the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives says he fears that a drumbeat of mass shootings and other gun violence across the United States could make Americans numb to the bloodshed, fostering apathy to finding solutions rather than galvanizing communities to act.
Director Steve Dettelbach’s comments to The Associated Press came after he met this past week with family members of some of the 18 people killed in October at a bowling alley and a bar in Lewiston, Maine by a U.S. Army reservist who later took his own life.
He said people must not accept that gun violence is a prevalent part of American life.
For me, Sandy Hook was the moment I realized we aren't going to collectively do anything about gun violence.
Seeing children cry whatever. But the amount of grownups I saw cry that day—people who I expected didn’t cry at all even—and I was like “don’t get your hopes up, self; these Americans are sadists to people unlike themselves and they are people who like horrible things”. I was delighted when I was wrong for the first six months. And then despondently correct all along since then. What kind of horrible people made out of literal garbage allow the slaughters and massacres, especially those of children, to continue? Disgusting.
They don't become numb. They already are, for quite some time.
Worked with a Gen-X woman when we came into work and heard about the latest mass shooting. Another millennial and I responded fairly flatly: "another one huh?" She expressed some sadness that we were so jaded, that it's just what we grew up with as normal.
Become numb?
Too late man.
When I visited the Netherlands, there was something I felt that I couldn't really find the words for at the time. It was a lightness, that upon stepping off the train and embarking down the steps to Amsterdam proper, my soul just felt light.
Later on, I'm in a weed cafe when an American couple walk in. The man walks towards the back restroom after making a purchase, leaving his significant other at the counter. She smiles with her whole body, and says loudly, perhaps louder than she realized, "you don't have a gun!" she laughs, "I feel safe!"
And that's what it was. That lightness. When we arrived, unbeknownst to us, the burden of thought that surrounds you in the U.S. where every chance encounter could lead to a violent death, where every supermarket or corner store holds within it the potential for a mass shooting. This ever prevalent threat of gun violence that surrounds us everyday, we get used to it. So used to it, that when we find ourselves somewhere without it, the feeling of peace and safety that accompany this loss is felt in your soul.
But you don't realize it's there until you feel what life can be without it. Tally it up as just another burden we carry, beholden to gun manufacturers. The toll is not just in the loss of life, but also the loss of peace within ourselves and our communities.
I live in a Canadian city, and I recall some years back there was an incident where some guy from Texas got in trouble for carrying a handgun while visiting. He raised a huge fuss on social media and went back to the US as soon as he was able, ranting about how he couldn't feel safe in Canada because they wouldn't allow him to have the ability to shoot anyone who might attack him while he was there. I wish I could find one of the news articles, there was a lot of head-shaking amusement from the locals at the time.
Really goes to show how diametrically different people can be sometimes.
I'm not following, who did she think might have a gun? You? Why would she have thought that?
Also, where in the US do you live that gun violence is actually surrounding you personally? I've lived in different parts of the US all my life and I've never felt that, nor a marked difference when traveling internationally.
You're just lucky, that's all.
My neighbor woke up the other day and found a bullet hole in the side of his car and a bullet in his back seat.
It was a stray from someone randomly shooting their gun in a neighborhood. I'm just thankful the bullet was stopped by his car. It could just have easily hit one of our apartments.
Missouri here. I just got done working at a walmart for 6 years. In the time i was there 2 different people had been shot by police in front of the store. I personally saw a gun get pulled right in front of my department in a huge argument but luckily the cop was just showing up over the screaming. A little bit before I left someone pulled a gun on the guy who brings your shit to your car because he took too long. That's just there. I have also been held up at gunpoint once and also had a random car shoot at me as it drove past.
Hearing gunshots outside is such a boring common thing I don't even pause my game unless it sounds like its right outside, which happens a few times a year. Usually thats just people firing 'for fun' but about 5 months ago someone was killed in my apts parking lot.
Well said.
We keep trying, but the courts and legislatures are packed with 2A nutters who believe that "a well regulated militia" means there shouldn't be any restrictions on gun ownership.
To be fair to those legislators, that amendment is fairly clear with its ‘shall not be infringed’ statement. The only way out of that issue is to pass a new amendment invalidating the old one.
Except that's not how it was interpreted until District of Columbia v. Heller in 2008.
Up until then, the right to bear arms was directly connected to the necessity of a well regulated militia. Then the Court reinterpreted it to say that the right is completely unconnected to service in a militia, and now guns are much more difficult to regulate.
Don't fall for the propaganda. The Supreme Court can just make up whatever shit they want. All that matters is who the Justices are.
No, that's not being fair at all. The amendment in full reads:
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
A full half of that single sentence is talking about "a well regulated militia" being the justification for allowing people to keep arms. There have been decades of flim-flammery ignoring that completely and trying to imply that the intent was to say "Militias are good for national security given how we just went through a rebellion that depended on them. Oh, and on a completely unrelated note, everyone should be allowed to carry portable machine guns and concealed hand-cannons the likes of which were never even imagined in our time."
This is a nutty interpretation.
Hold up. There's an enforcer? The fuk has they been doing all these years?
The head of the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives
Yeah I think he was focusing his attention on drugs mostly. In some sense at least.
And dogs
Shooting dogs and making laws without the approval of Congress.
Trying to claim accessories are NFA and turning law abiding gun owners into felons.
Busy increasing the valuation of pornhub.
It's chilling talking to Americans about gun violence.
They are well past any early desensitization.
And they definitely accept gun violence as a prevalent part of their lives.
Citizens from other countries are truly horrified if you posit the idea if a mass shooting to them, especially involving children.
American responses range from "look, the thing is...bullshit false rationalization they don't understand" to "I know, it's fucking bullshit!" followed by a shake of their head and a shrug of their shoulders.
Those are the extremes. Usually it's just an exasperated sigh.
That's because we know our leaders don't give a fuck about the will of the people, and they've stacked the deck so voting really doesn't matter anymore.
Not true, that's a lazy conservative talking point.
It isn't "the leaders" and it isn't both sides, conservatives have led a successful concerted effort to shackle the effects and rights of voters for decades precisely because of how important voting was and still is.
You throwing up your hands and falsely implying there's no point in voting is dancing to the tune of those who want voting not to matter.
People voted out trump, for example.
Skin of their teeth, but voting got it done.
May? There long since stopped being enough outrage to do anything about it. We’ve been numb to it a long time
Too late
May?
The US is a failed shithole nation. Another mass shooting? Thoughts and prayers, what's for lunch?
Yes the violence is everywhere, gun violence and just aggressive natural attitudes that make life terrible. To the people that always say "well I don't have that type of crime/gun violence/issue, it's way exaggerated", well you're wrong. You literally have become numb to it because it is everywhere.
The ATF wants us to become numb to burning children to death.
I find it as good development. When we stop writing about each shooting in all newspapers, discussing it on TV 24/7, filling internet with it, only then those nutjobs stop considering mass shooting as something that can be done by them too to shock others.
People I once could say I respected became cold way to fast. It is even shown in many other parts of their life. I always hope they can find the way back to who they were. But I feel like it will take a long time. But I will not give up trying to hold my ground on trying to do the right thing. Remember many will become dull to the world but as long as some of us hold on and show them their is a better way. We can keep hope alive.
Dettelbach is a major douche and his testimony before Congress just confirmed it.
I know I'm certainly getting there.
Great podcast called The Gun Machine covers how the ATF has to work with both hands tied behind their backs (just one of many great episodes about Guns and American society).