Rudy Giuliani: Electing Obama has 'taken us back 40 or 50 years on race relations'
Rudy Giuliani: Electing Obama has 'taken us back 40 or 50 years on race relations'
"Things were fine before minorities started being able to express themselves without pushback." - old white guys
Exactly. When people say Obama hurt race relations it's because those white people hated seeing black people succeeding where only whites could, triggering them into hating them more.
What he meant to say was that Republicans would have continued to pretend to not be racist and stuck to their wink wink dog whistles, but electing a black man president drove them so insane that they regressed 50 years and returned to being openly racist.
drove them so insane
This Onion story/video from right after Obama's 2016 2012 win is very relevant and oddly prescient:
Obama won in 2016? I wish!
Holy crap. They really predicted it perfectly. Trump is a ball of rage that demands being worshipped and supreme power.
If I wrote this back in 2012, you can guarantee that I’d still be resting on those laurels. There’s no way this kind of laser-guided prediction can be topped.
I even remember in 2016, most especially right after donnie won the EC, all the gaslighting cons were doing classic DARVO and telling everyone how they "had" to vote for the likes of donnie because they were made to do it because of something, something, Obama. [1]
If they didn't blame it on Obama, they blamed it on Hillary being "shrill" or something. I think Patton Oswalt summed it up pretty well when he talked about donnie being a racist palate cleanser:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4cHWDTNWBs
[1] Of course Tucker has gone further and said that people like him will be forced to go fascist because something something "woke".
Electing Obama Trump has 'taken us back 40 or 50 years on race relations'
fixed that for ya, Rudy
Like, this is the laziest attempt at projecting I've seen in a while. It's like watching someone become more bigoted as their facilities deteriorate from dementia, and it's just sad to watch.
They've spent years (all 8 years of his presidency, at least) claiming it was Obama - not the racist AF GOP - that is "divisive" and is "dividing" the nation. They've been saying the same about Biden, I notice. Given the underlying racism of the claim about Obama, I notice the attempts at Biden don't have as much traction.
Gaslight Obstruct Project
Remember, the T in “GOP” stands for “Truth” and the E stands for “Ethics”.
What in the demented word salad hell did I just read?
"You think it's accidental; I know it's Marxist planned and executed over a long period," he claimed. "Open border is not coincidental. The open border comes right out of Karl Marx. It comes right out of [communist activist] Saul Alinsky, who, by the way, Saul Alinsky and his acolytes taught Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton."
This shit? The insane musings of high profile Republicans.
Who the eff are all these marxists, communists, socialists, etc., wielding all this incredible power in the US and how do they stay so hidden? Deep state? But isn't the deep state mostly rich white guys pulling the strings?
Ah yes. The communists were not known for building walls in Berlin.
Lead poisoning is a huge part of why the 60+ age bracket is acting so erratically now.
Ah yes, famed communist Obama, whose biggest accomplishment was shoveling huge amounts of cash to the health insurance industry in exchange for tiny concessions on the margins.
Stable genius with all the words...
You know they've digested too many Nazi talking points when they start breaking out Saul Alinsky and start trying to link him to prominent Democratic leaders.
I forgot how obsessed they got about Saul Alinsky. If there were a college major called “Being a Leftist,” his Rules for Radicals would be on the syllabus for the class on pre-internet organizing. But I’m pretty sure Fox News hosts said “Alinsky” more times during the Obama administration than all the DSA members combined.
It’s like if they were discussing Boston Celtics history and just kept mentioning Antoine Walker. (No disrespect to Toine. Or Alinsky.)
Remember when they got pissed at that Reverend guy that Obama may have saw once or twice for saying that 9/11 was "chickens coming home to roost" (by the way, he was 100% correct of course)?
Like, I wish Obama could have (publicly at least) stated that and still had a chance to win...
That's a funny way to say you hate black people, Rudy.
Yeah, because all those tiki torch marches happened under Obama? Hmmm... good people on both sides? Well all the Black Lives Matters protests... no? Not Obama either?
See, if you just hadn't scared those white people by electing a black president, things would've been so much better!
It's basic abuser mentality. "Because a black person has dared to become president, you forced us to be more racist and divisive."
I think it’s time we send Rudy to live on a farm upstate.
I live upstate and we don't want him up here
Does he think Obama is still the president?
All the teabaggers will just never get over Obama. All those boomers that loved to whine about Carter and Clinton got so much more butthurt over Obama and seemed to talk about the former a lot less once Obama got into office. Gee, I wonder why. 🤔
Even from a right/conservative view of things this makes no sense. Obama was a fucking legal scholar. He'd learned CRT in the context of law and brought it to bear not at all in a social context.
Conservatism = Racism
Thats not fair. Theres more to conservatism than Racism.
Theres also the misogyny, and xenophobia, hatred for the lower classes.
You're absolutely right! Thank you for the clarification!
Maybe it took Guiliani back 40 years. He was at about 1920 before but he seems closer to 1880 now.
Can he fall down an escalator already? Fucksake.
The only time I would wish this cunt another 20 years to live is if he was being sentenced to prison for 20 years.
Up? That way it'll last a little longer, prime gif material.
Preferably the one Trump came down to announce his candidacy in 2015.
He's as much a history buff as a computer security expert
I thought crazy pillow dude was the cybersecurity expert. He hosted those cyber symposiums after all. Clearly he must know something us lowly IT folks don't.
This feels like an onion article
“We would have all stayed under our rocks if YOU hadn’t forced us to freak out by electing a black guy”.
Yeah, because all the creepy weirdos on the right absolutely FREAKED OUT that a "Kenyan usurper" was selected by We, The People to run the country.
Remember how ecstatic all these freaks were when OJ won just the EC? The memes of showing how OJ - King of the Birthers - was eclipsing Obama?
I'm sure none of those feelz from the right had anything to do with racism.
Different OJ?
Orange Julius?
Orange Jesus - https://www.jpost.com/omg/article-717648
The right-wing reactionary response to Obama's election set race relations back.
It's unfortunately another parallel to the rise of the Nazis in Germany, as they replaced one of the most progressive governments that has ever existed even up to today.
So his racisism is Obama's fault.
Yeah, he claimed whites only hate blacks now because Obama was their only experience with them
Ok i have enough bullshit fir today.
Thanks, Obama?
"Race relations" is itself a racist notion, the idea that a race is a real ontological entity and that people can be spokespersons on behalf of a race. This usually means meritocratic elitist race representatives dismissing notions of racial justice which threaten economic arrangements that sustain the system that causes racial disparities in the first place. "Race relations" is how you get things like entrepreneurial programs (half of all businesses fail in general) for racialized business owners instead of improved social services.
Why does Rudy think he has an opinion worth listening to on this matter?
Or anything else, really.
Because he was the highly respected mayor of 9/11 New York, and we learnt nothing more about him since, of course.
I learned a thing or two about him in Borat 2.
Hey Rawstory, less reporting on what they say, more reporting on what they did, thanks.
Translation: when we elected Obama it upset the racists so badly they had a great big meltdown about it
Wait...it was just about ten years ago that they were saying racism was over because we had a Black president. Make up your mind, Rudolph.
The race relations Rudy is talking about is MAGA related and means segregation returns. We moved away from that. Magats don't like that.
So elected Obama made fun of Trump. It made him flip and get into the race. That put him in a position to become a president which fucked up the race relations. So yeah, checkmate.
Thanks Obama!
Well, his idea of "race relation" is going back to colored people in chains and white people with whips. Getting 40 or 50 years away from that is a good thing.
"The dominance of neoliberalism frames inequality as deriving from personal responsibility or the lack thereof and replaces structural analysis with a focus on “race relations.”" - Barbara Fields
"Trump gets into I think a psychological illness they have about Trump," he said. "Trump derangement syndrome is real — so obsessive."
The only people who suffer from TDS worse than the far left liberals who froth at the mouth at the mere mention of his name ...are his supporters.
the far left liberals who froth at the mouth at the mere mention of his name
You mean the people who fear living in a theocratic dictatorship roughly twelve months from now? Yes, god forbid we're a little upset at the idea.
You can't even be on the "far left" and be a liberal simultaneously, "far left liberal" is an oxymoron. Private property is a core aspect of liberalism which is contrary to any ideology that could be considered "far" left. Liberalism is also market economies, with the left being at the very least mixed but "far" left would be centrally planned economy.
If you hate the guy so much that any time his name is mentioned, even if it is something he did right, you have a problem. I don't like him either, and I fear what he might mean for this country if elected again. . .but if his name makes you lose your shit you have a mental problem.
The right suffers from Trump Delusion Syndrome
I love the hypocrisy. TRUMP DERANGEMENT SYNDROME. Also that Obama guy...
And don't forget how obsessed all these creepy weirdos are over the Hunter Biden hard drive....oops, I mean, his "laptop".
Every accusation is a confession. The usual with that crowd.
"Far left liberal" is an oxymoron.
"We wouldn't have any racism if blacks just stayed in their place!" /S
Wait wait - stay with me - he's right. Because electing Obama caused people like him to be more overtly racist.
Bro - you married your cousin. Shut the fuck up about “relations” of any kind.
I wonder why Republicans think that Democrats and Leftists have "Trump Derangement Syndrome" but no other Republican president ever received that degree of ire.
TDS wasn't real
While the symptom of a leftist freaking out whenever Trump does something was true, it's not fair to call this irrational when what Trump was doing was legitimately terrible. It would be like telling the Jews that they had Hitler derangement syndrome.
I agree. My question was rhetorical. Of course right wing grifters are trying to normalize Trump's fascist tendencies.
i think Rudi is owned by a bunch of Russians, and he speaks for them and for other losers like them
What the ever living fuck.
Well.. the conservatives used be "Staunch Democrats.." until the Nixon thing... I think every American knows that racism, and racists, severely flared-up when they felt like they had a kindred representative in Trump.
Are they paying this freak for this one on one?
Adolph Reed Jr has probably the best response to Obama from the left, a black political scientist himself who was still alive when Jim Crow laws were in effect in New Orleans and lived through the aftermath and written countless books on things like race relations and black politics. This was published in 1996:
“In Chicago, for instance, we’ve gotten a foretaste of the new breed of foundation-hatched black communitarian voices; one of them, a smooth Harvard lawyer with impeccable do-good credentials and vacuous-to-repressive neoliberal politics, has won a state senate seat on a base mainly in the liberal foundation and development worlds. His fundamentally bootstrap line was softened by a patina of the rhetoric of authentic community, talk about meeting in kitchens, small-scale solutions to social problems, and the predictable elevation of process over program — the point where identity politics converges with old-fashioned middle-class reform in favoring form over substance. I suspect that his ilk is the wave of the future in U.S. black politics, as in Haiti and wherever else the International Monetary Fund has sway. So far the black activist response hasn’t been up to the challenge. We have to do better.”
So, Obama was too presidential? He held the general appeal to be elected, so he wasn't “my” type of activist? Instead of agitating for better race relations, he simply exercised to office of President, as an inspirational leader regardless of skin color, and set an example for all to follow? The horror
Would you say we are in an improved state today vs Obama's time? America is in a degrading state right now and Obama was hugely influential in this system. Trump basically created his political brand in a similar fashion to Obama's.
If you seriously think Obama was good explain how things are better now. You do realize about 13% of Obama voters supported Trump? Arguably Trump won because of former Obama supporters.
I actually agree with him to an extent, I can agree with his thesis statement but not his conclusion.
See he believes that black men are inherently inferior and Obama proved this by being a terrible leader and an alleged racebaiter.
I believe that Obama was a pretty average leader all things considered, but his election did indeed bring race relations back a few decades.
See all the bigots were quier because they knew everyone was equal on paper, but there was a silent "off the record" agreement that the "lesser races" wouldn't venture too far out of their reign...
A nonwhite entering the highest office in the allegedly free world, and one with a blatantly nonwhite sounding name was a "violation of the silent agreement" and thus the bigots no longer "kept their end of the bargain" and in doing so indulged in their prejudices.
I contest that Obama had nothing to do with exacerbating or improving race relations. The racists were most vocal during Trump's administration. Flat out. A quiet bigot doesn't mean that bigotry doesn't exist.
No but they do cause less problems
This leaky headed geriatric piece of shit can go fuck himself
Obama was mediocre but refreshing because he was actually present in many ways
I don't know if I would consider him mediocre. His policies may not have been the greatest. However the nation's esteem while he was in office was unparalleled. There are always blind spots, but he was well spoken and inspiring. No President or most of Congress has even come close in the past 30 years.
As a non American I thought he was better than most you've had since, maybe Carter
Never ceases to amaze me how US politics is so full of incoherently babbling clowns.
My favorite thing about Rudy are his sexts with the assistant he was banging. They sound like someone who doesn't really know how to talk dirty but the partner really wants it.
"Those tits... those are MY tits. You like my tits? That's right, I own those tits. They're mine. Those are my tits."