Vote against Trump 2024

The ~~2004 2008 2012 2016 2020 2024~~ election is the most important election of our lives. Democracy is at stake and we need to hold our noses and vote for the lesser evil.

If [current challenger or incumbent] gets elected you'll never vote again.
- Isn’t it a bit different when one candidate/party has outright said they plan to take steps to end democracy, and has previously participated in an attempted coup?
Pretending like our elections are currently normal as usual is absurd, we literally had a coup attempt for the 2020 election.
Yes, the 2024 election has democracy on the ballot and it isn't even a controversial statement to say so.
- How many more of these stinking, double-downer sideshows will we have to go through before we can get ourselves straight enough to put together some kind of national election that will give me and the at least 20 million people I tend to agree with a chance to vote FOR something, instead of always being faced with that old familiar choice between the lesser of two evils?
  -Hunter S. Thompson, Fear and Loathing on the Campaign Trail '72
- not a single election in U.S. history has EVER had "democracy on the ballot." We don't have a fucking democracy. When's the last time anyone has picked a candidate? Year after year, everyone I talk to irl and online despises both candidates. Try to tell someone making minimum wage to go wait in line at the polls to vote, missing those work hours would be literally detrimental. Even if all of those things were disregarded, the popular vote has been fucking ignored in several elections for a convoluted system that was founded by fucking slave owners. even if donald shart "removed democracy" what would change? because Trump's policy is slightly worse than joe brandons? both of them will uphold the status quo, fund the zionist settler colony, lock up latinx immigrants in concentration camps, build a border wall, prolong the proxy war, expand the military industrial complex, continue a fierce grip on the imperial periphery, i could fucking go on. the dems had a presidency and a majority in Congress when roe was overturned and what did they do to try and stop it? NOTHING. no matter who wins, democracy will never be at stake because THERE IS NO DEMOCRACY. so try and tell me democracy is on the ballot again. fucking do it.
- Lol
  https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2022/08/22/american-democracy-was-never-designed-to-be-democratic
Oh jeez it's almost like the fuckers who want to end democracy don't go away after losing at democracy one time.

Votes aren't cast against candidates.

They are in a two party system
- While there are two dominant political parties in the United States, every presidential election I've participated in has had more than two candidates to choose from. I'd appreciate it if you'd expand upon your point.
- No they aren't that is not how votes work.
- This is the democracy you're proud to support?
- What if I really disike the policies of both candidates?
- Sounds like a dogshit system not worth propping up.

Sorry, i don't vote for genociders.

Or rapists
- Or the iris.. wait no, or segregationists

Not voting for Biden and there is quite literally nothing anyone can say to persuade me to vote for him.

I don't blame you man. That guy is a fucking joke.
- To expand on my point even further, in any future presidential election I will never vote for any president regardless of what anyone says.
  If anyone can figure out why, I'll make them an theoretical honorary mod of one of the channels I'm on.
- I do, that guy is what's standing between me and a camp!
If Joe stepped down and endorsed Hunter, I would consider it
Enjoy the Trump presidency. You'll never vote again.
- there literally was a trump presidency and that didn't happen
- You'll never vote again.
  I've never voted for any president you baby-brained jackass. You might as well worship the ground I step on because me not voting apparently helped Biden and Obama win, by your twisted logic
- Well in 1/3 of US provisional elections in the 21st century, the candidate with the most votes has lost the election thanks to the electoral college. So even if they did go vote, there is a 1 in 3 chance that the candidate with the most votes loses the election.
  Which is really weird because the US brands itself as the bastion of freedom and democracy internationally, yet they do not follow two of the most important principles of democracy itself. Those being one man equals one vote, and the candidate with the most votes wins. Lots of people in the USA effectively do not have a vote for president with how the electoral college is structured.
- None of the people Biden killed through war profiteering, supporting genocide, and policy failure will vote again either.
  Glad to hear your proud to support all that death though. Good on you for owning up to supporting the atrocities
- I was already never voting again
- What part of this presidency are you enjoying?
- Thats literally what you useless dumb fucks said right before Hillary managed to lose the easiest election of a lifetime using the exact same strategy you're using this time.
  Maybe Biden will exceed expectations and actually go to states he depends on to win.
- That's not really a threat at this point.
When the fascists come for us, we'll remember you as one of the collaborators that helped make it happen.

Lmao not voting for Genocide Joe no matter how much the

🥂

wine cave warriors will shame anyone. This sort of meme is fucking gross to all the people suffering from Biden continuing all Trumps worst policies and liberals doing zero to fight against more fascist policies and support for genocide in Palestine.

They can earn our vote by literally doing ANYTHING that actually materially benefits marginalized people or workers. So far they have nothing.

They can earn our vote by literally doing ANYTHING that actually materially benefits marginalized people or workers.
You mean like gun safety legislation (biggest in 30 years which unfortunately doesn't say much), inflation reduction and infrastructure measures, repealing DOMA, or taking steps against systemic racism?
I agree, none of it is enough, and honestly he probably does too. You can guess that based on other things he's tried to do and been stopped, like student loan relief. That's a great example because while it was blocked by Republicans, he's been taking other avenues to get some out there at least. That demonstrates it's not just demonstrative efforts, which is a popular argument when that kinda thing happens.
But I get it. I'm no big fan of Biden myself. Then again, you didn't say he's not doing enough. You said "literally ANYTHING". It's right there in your comment and quoted at the top of this one.
Now since we've demonstrated he's done more than literally anything, were you uninformed and will now change your stance, or were you a liar? If you were a liar did you already know that he'd done those things, or are you just not willing to stick to the criteria you yourself established?
- Anything of material consequence this is the difference between liberals and communists. You think bourgeois politicians act in good faith or have your actual material interests at heart. You have a purely aesthetics understanding of politics.
  Even if he actually did any of that in the way you think he did and I somehow benefitted from those things, I still wouldn't vote for him because you can't buy my vote with all the material appeals in the world if it means being complicit with genocide in return for table scraps. Fuck you and everyone like you. Wake the fuck up.
- Nerd
Who would you vote for? What would doing so accomplish?
- Right back at ya bud. Now you are getting it.
- I’m gonna spend about 3 hours researching the local positions where my vote counts and leave everything where my vote has already been decided for me blank. Then, I’ll use all the extra time I saved from not pouring my brain down the drain watching endless election coverage to instead do some mutual aid, which has already saved several lives this winter. Fuck Donald Trump and fuck Joe Biden.
- What would voting for Biden accomplish?
- Nobody. Nothing by voting.
  Which is exactly the same as what you're going to accomplish.
  Giving a homeless person a dollar does more to improve the lives of the vulnerable in this country than voting for a Democrat.

Better get rid of Joe then

It's way too late for that I think.
- It literally is, too many states have passed primary registration deadlines. Only option would be something happening at the DNC, which,
- Best they can hope for is that Biden's earthly husk gives up the battle in time for them to pick someone less detestable.
Agreed

Volcel police

Eagerly looking forward to ticking the "against Trump" box in the ballot. Haven't seen one worded like that before

The bickering in this thread is just the latest example of how broken American politics is. There are no good candidates, only least bad ones, and we are forced into these shitty choices every single time because the people in power value profits over human rights and dignity.

I'm voting Biden, but I'm not happy about it.

I'm voting Biden
I'm not
- Ah, so that's what kind of instance this is. A Republican one
Wringing your hands won't change the fact you're supporting a genocidal ghoul.
If Democrats get your support unconditionally, then that encourages them to completely ignore what you have to say because they already got your vote and that's all you're good for to them.
My guy, if I had only two party's to choose from, I'd also be pissed.
I find it fascinating how liberals here cannot conceive that Biden and Trump might as well be the same person. Their policies are identical because it doesn't matter anymore. America is on rails. This is a country run by a profit algorithm.
The only distinction between Biden and Trump to me is Trump is funnier.
I wouldn't describe "I don't know if I can vote for a guy supporting genocide" as bickering
- Do you remember when liberals were arguing over how they'd vote for Mussolini over Hitler lmao
  This is how their brains work
Just don't vote then. Who tf cares

Gotta love the damned privs out here again to remind us all that white "leftists" have a collective memory of "as far back as I can go before I have to acknowledge that Republicans make things materially worse for the people I say I'm an ally to whenever they're in power."

Hey you edgelord "genocide joe posters", it's me, an actual fucking palestinian here in america to tell you that the Republicans think the problem is that we're not doing that shit here too.

When Trump rides back into the whitehouse on the backs of your militant refusal of solidarity, it'll be on you when some Trucknuts McGee bastard beats me in the streets, and tells me that my Sand Nr ass should be grateful that he didn't bring a rope.

It'll be on you when Red States begin abolishing no fault divorce to trap women in abusive marriages because it made Steven Crowder big sad one time.

It'll be on you the next time a trans kid is faced with the choice to either run away or almost certainly die and absolutely be disowned.

It's a year out from the election. "I won't vote for Joe" only means trump wins if democrats refuse to run a better candidate.
Where the hate for the democrats running an unelectable demon?
- Unfortunately the Overton window moves with the voters. Leftists boycott every election like it's some kind of flex, but all the Democrats do is move further right to capture more right wing voters. Because why bother catering to leftists.
  Where the hate for the democrats running an unelectable demon?
  Unelectable??
  The bitter truth is that when only the worst people in America come out to vote, only the worst candidates are electable. Being a demon is a plus for electability.
- You mean the guy who's been negotiating the release of palestinians being held hostage in Israeli prisons, or the one who secured Palestinians the right to access their own natural resources?
  You're the one who isn't doing anything to help us by insisting we deserve to die by trump's hand if you don't get your demands met.
  How fucking dare you negotiate over the voices of the people most in need,
  If you really have the privilege to turn your nose up, doing so is betrayal, especially from someone who marches and says all the pretty words of being an ally.
  Dr. King was talking about your lot in Birmingham, all the performance of agreement, none of the work of solidarity.
  The other party believes the issue is that we don't have a similar policy of genocide here in the states and you really wanna ask where the hate's at for the party that doesn't do that shit here? I'll tell ya where it's at, it's with all the shit privs who can't see past themselves to fucking know better.

Don’t vote for a child smelling genocide endorsing rapist, maybe?

If your system only allows you to choose between 2 of the worst people you’ve ever heard of, that’s a bad system you shouldn’t condone or blindly participate in?

I’m writing in Hillary. It’s her turn

Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos

I'm voting for myself. President me. I'll make Fortnite illegal. Mango vapes will have federal protection and in fact will be mandatory

I'm not sure how someone can look at the mask-off cryptofascism of the American political system at this point and convince themselves that voting blue over red makes the tiniest bit of difference. The mountains of corpses both parties routinely inflict on the world at large makes any tiny delineation in rhetoric (and it is just rhetoric, because anyone with eyes knows the national level Democrats aren't doing shit about fuck even on culture war issues that they've fundraised off of for three decades, let alone any of the systemic evil and rot leaving billions in destitution) so fucking irrelevant that it's honestly a joke someone could even bother to try and shame people into casting votes that statistically would never influence the outcome of an election even if it was a fair and democratic process.

been a while since I've seen a forced meme. interesting. proceed