Trump, Who Destroyed Roe, Thinks He Can Run As an Abortion 'Moderate' in 2024
Trump, Who Destroyed Roe, Thinks He Can Run As an Abortion 'Moderate' in 2024
Moderate here means "don't worry, rich white girls will still have the choice"
While I agree that many of them are thinking that way, the concept totally baffles me. If you're a racist, why would you not support abortion for minorities? It's the strangest thing to me. So the real problem here is people don't understand how statistics work.
The abortion issue in particular doesn't center around racists, it centers around evangelicals. Zealots believe that an abortion is Against God and really, truly, honestly believe they are saving your immortal soul and that of your baby by forcing you to carry to term. People like that can't be reasoned with because they honestly believe they are acting in the best interests of folks that require saving. "This is for your own good" kind of attitude.
For two reasons:
The same is true of other people. Women are okay if they "stay barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen." LGBTQ people are okay if "they stay hidden in the closet and never mention who they really are." Other religions are fine as long as they pretend that they are Christian.
Basically, they want things to go back to the "good old days" when white, straight, Christian men ran things and everyone else bowed to them.
There are plenty of racists that are happy to let abortion be a thing. I've heard (and lost count of how many times) repeatedly about planned parenthood being started by a racist, etc. etc. The republicans aren't a complete monomind, they just get along really well at the 'we hate others' party that their leaders throw.
If you’re a racist, why would you not support abortion for minorities?
Because they need fodder for the prison slave labor pipeline.
(I also agree with @skulblaka that it's more about evangelicals than racists.)
It's not about getting rid of them, its about lowering their standard of life to below that of yourself so you can continue to feel superior in your race.
More workers for the slave prison industry. Very few people want to actually eliminate the groups they look down on; they need them around to be exploited, to be scapegoats, etc.
The Right wants to protect the unborn, so there will be more moving targets around for gun owners.
The fact is w/ the pill we will all get to have abortion but it will be just another frivolous money sink and purity test like the war on drugs.
Don't underestimate him.
He beat an elderly, uninspiring, career politician against all odds once and he'll do it again. People have short memories, and won't remember the worst of his tenure
Already seen it. I don't love Biden, but he's done "okayish" at most things. Every time the economy comes up, people start missing Trump despite the fact he was the one that destroyed it
Even worse are the people saying they won't vote for Biden in 2024 because they don't agree with him 100% on certain issues when Trump would be even worse on those issues.
I understand not liking a politician completely. Hillary wasn't my first pick in 2016 and Biden wasn't my first pick in 2020. However, when it became clear that they were the nominee, I backed them over Trump. I'm sure some of these people will back Biden if/when he's the nominee, but a lot of them are declaring that they will sit out the elections if Biden is the nominee because they want things done differently. Meanwhile, if Trump is elected - say, because some left wing voters stay home - these issues will be treated a whole lot worse!
exactly
Let me fix that for you:
Due to the corruption of the Electoral College and even though he lost the popular vote, Trump beat an elderly, uninspiring, career politician.
ETA: Enough with the "well golly gee dontcha know that is how it works in the US" as if that justifies it. Let's accept it for what it was: a way for slave owners to have greater influence than their state's population otherwise allowed.
Biden isn't Clinton. If you hadn't got the news yet, Biden already beat Trump once. No one that voted for Biden in 2020 is voting for Trump in 2024. Biden has to worry about his voters staying home and Trump is the candidate most likely to drive people to vote against him by far.
I would worry about Haley or Christie beating Biden before Trump. The only x factor is that Biden or Trump or both of them could croak in the next year.
My concern is for much more apathy this time around. Between the economy, his age, and his one sided handling of the complex Palestine Israel tragedy, I'm really dreading the outcome already.
I'll vote for Biden again, especially against Trump, but he will never be exciting for me. If Trump continues to lay low during Republican events and doesn't get convicted of some felonies, I could definitely see a scenario where Biden doesn't get the votes and we all stand around mouth agape asking how it happened again.
I'd worry more about Desantis. He might have the charisma of used bubblegum, but there's an awful lot of people who like what's he's selling.
He beat an elderly, uninspiring, career politician
He has not ever done this.
In fact, since his 2016 fluke, his brand has been toxic and his candidates have consistently lost (as has he)
Trump could run as being 'The Penguin' and it wouldn't matter in the slightest. His voters treat him like a fucking mad libs where they just get to fill in the blanks.
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See White Jesus
The funniest is the leader of the twin flames cult was like, "Hey notice how all the depictions of Jesus are of a white guy and not a middle eastern man. That's because they are of me, I am white Jesus."
Retconning racism to claim you are God. Religion is so great and moral.
All of his bragging about destroying RvW is going to make great political ads.
Democrats have been beating the polls at the ballot box by 9+ points since Roe v. Wade was overturned.
Is this going to be his "Beto is going to take your guns away" millstone? I certainly hope so.
Reminder that Trump once said: "I like taking the guns early, like in this crazy man’s case that just took place in Florida … to go to court would have taken a long time. Take the guns first, go through due process second."
For all his talk about being pro-Second Amendment, Trump would be willing to limit people's Second Amendment rights (and other rights) if it helped him in any way.
Only if the Democrats are willing to run attack ads
Which at least Biden is in a bigly way.
Maybe they are? I try very hard to avoid seeing ads.
They almost certainly aren't moderate or left leaning, but I've seen plenty of comments, including here on Lemmy, that they believe he's truly back peddling.
Good ol' 308th trimester abortion
It's a longshot, but I'll talk to the timelords. I mean - stupider things have happened.
Far right always campaign to the left/try to use leftists arguments
Do you really think someone would do that? Just go into politics and tell lies?!
Not sure why Trump would get the credit on that one. He's not smart enough to find the right SCOTUS judge, nor to understand the ramifications (not sure any in the GOP really thought it through).
Mitch "Imma take a quick 30 second reality break" McConnell is the one that really made this happen with his "I think the next administration should elect the judge" garbage back in 2015 or 2016.
Evangelical groups see packing the court and harming abortion rights as his main achievement and he has boasted about his success with it in the past.
You're right, but shhh. If he wants the credit for a deeply-unpopular thing, let him have it.
I want to see more crowds booing like in Carolina. I wonder if they could get another Brandon type moment out of it for the campaign trail
This is the best summary I could come up with:
Despite their very public pressure campaign for that abortion ban, the former president insists that they will all fall in line and back him soon enough — with or without specific policy promises — in large part because they have nowhere else to turn.
Highlighting the absurdity of the idea, Dennis points to the fact that Trump is, at this very moment, running campaign ads in Iowa taking credit for the destruction of Roe v. Wade.
For instance, during the 2016 campaign, Trump began trying to brand himself as a different type of Republican who would protect widely popular entitlement programs, veering away from the conservative dogma of demanding spending cuts.
Across the country, Republicans dramatically underperformed in both the 2022 and the 2023 elections; all seven times abortion has been directly on the ballot since Dobbs, majorities of voters — even in conservative states like Kansas and Kentucky — have either voted against restrictions or in favor of expanded protections.
In recent months, Trump has argued to confidants and key allies that “even Republican” voters generally don’t want a national ban, based on the polling he’s been shown, the two sources say.
Trump’s strategy appears to be to promise to remain pro-life if reelected, but to avoid endorsing policies like a national ban in 2024 — and hoping just enough voters don’t notice the cynical triangulation.
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C'mon, Democrats. Roll this one on repeat:
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-was-able-kill-roe-v-wade-rcna84897
Democrats destroyed roe with 50 years of promise, and doing nothing but raise money from it.
I think a large part of us assumed that people in power wouldn't cross red lines that had existed for decades.
Which was a terrible assumption for democrats to make. Especially when they controlled the house, senate, and presidency in the Obama era.
That being said, let's call a spade a spade here. Democrats have been fighting to return Roe v Wade in many states. And Republicans have been standing against it, to the point of fighting their voters on laws they voted for.
Especially when they controlled the house, senate, and presidency in the Obama era.
You mean, for the two whole weeks that they had the supermajority they needed to bypass Republican obstruction?
This long-debunked talking point really needs to die once and for all.
We need federal laws protecting abortion access. Roe v Wade was inconsistent with any other bodily autonomy law and always needed to be backed up with concrete laws.
Joe finally got his lifelong desire about Roe being a states rights issue.