Norway says Israel response to Hamas attack disproportionate
Norway says Israel response to Hamas attack disproportionate
Norway’s prime minister says the Israeli army’s response to the deadly Hamas attack that killed 1,400 people and saw over 230 abducted by terrorists has been disproportionate, and denounces a “catastrophic” humanitarian situation in Gaza.
I'm glad a western country had the balls to say it.
Ireland and Norway have historically been critical of this.
Actually what this guy said is:
"International law stipulates that [the reaction] must be proportionate. Civilians must be taken into account, and humanitarian law is very clear on this. I think this limit has been largely exceeded"
But the Times of Israel likes to erase this from the title and make it sound like they just went one woopsie too far. Poor genocidal Israel... pout
Disproportionate response has been Israel's policy for decades.
It is literally their stated policy of "Mowing the grass"
They learned it from the best teacher, big bro murica.
Ya know, atomic bombs, 20 years of Afghan, Vietcong war blah blah.
Wikipedia search gives some results.
"Rockets are still being fired from Gaza into Israel, and we condemn this,” he adds.
Disproportionate is an understatement.
The real shame is that Israel's attack in response to the recent terror attack has been closer to proportionate than its "retaliations" over the past decades.
That's....terrible.
They always are
I think this limit has been largely exceeded
I vote this for understatement of the week.
I wonder if this story is biased? /s
How so? It seems to consist basically entirely of direct quotes. So unless they misquoted or are leaving out some massively important context, I can't see how it would be biased.
Norway’s prime minister says the Israeli army’s response to the deadly Hamas attack that killed 1,400 people and saw over 230 abducted by terrorists has been disproportionate, and denounces a “catastrophic” humanitarian situation in Gaza.
No mention of the mass killings and displaced people of Palestine. The quotes were convenient for the narrative, all the stories on the website follow the same narrative. No mention of innocent Palestinians and Israel people who don't support the war. Just how they have to get Hamas and need funds to support the war.
The war affects innocent people on both sides.
Tell us something new, Norway.
Better not say anything because of fearing big daddy USA, than these platitudes. you sound too weak Norway.
Preface that I have no solutions to offer to the conflict.
But if a school bully takes your lunch one too many times, he's eventually gonna get punched in the face. But in this case, Hamas is too underpowered to be the school bully.
It's more like the mosquito that just won't stop buzzing in your ear even though you are traipsing in his forest. Except this mosquito flies with 2m of his closest brothers and sisters and your response is to burn his forest down.
I don't know what I'm trying to say. Hamas has annoyed Israel one too many times and now is getting an angry, irrational response with tons of collateral damage. Not a calculated response.
Perhaps the only thing I can offer is that the response from Israel isn't all that irrational. Every person can be driven to the point of breaking and lashing out.
Israel has obviously completely had it with Hamas and would rather bear the international consequences of wiping Gaza off the map instead of facing one more rocket across that border. Honestly that is a pretty fucking huge miscalculation for Hamas. Because Israel is a much better international diplomat and the winner gets to write the history book.
When you have two kids on the school yard that are lashing out, the principal comes along and makes sure neither crosses the others path again. That may be how this ends, but I fear the world doesn't care enough about either side to get involved that way.
I think that analogy is backwards here. Israel is the school bully. This has never not been the case, ever since the partition. In the past 75 years Israel has been displacing and killing Palestinian people, restricting freedom of movement, doing settler colonialism and genocide. Hamas’s horrific terror attacks are the result of the material conditions of Palestinian people deteriorating. The more Israel pushes them into a corner, the more extremism will look that a real choice to them.
Israel keeps taking Palestinian lunches, but much of the western world doesn’t care because they are Israel’s allies. Then the western world hears about hamas attacks and gives israel more money and weapons, continuing the cycle.
I mostly agree with your assessment. I don't think anybody is going to intervene militarily. The world's just not that interested.
We might see some economic embargos for humanitarian reasons kind of like the South African history, but that's going to be a long time in the future. It's going to require a huge PR campaign, and political goodwill to erode.
The comments on that article are really missing the point that leveling a city block to kill a few terrorists almost invariably means you created more terrorists than you killed.
Unfortunately I'm not so sure they're missing the point. I'm afraid there's quite a few people who are just excited to see their scheduled genocide put into motion.
Far too many people seem to be itching to find an enemy, all so they can justify their desire for vindictive bloodlust.
Killing is a bad thing, and can only ever be justified when it prevents something worse. But that doesn't mean you should enjoy it.
They know this, that's the point, they want a biting dog that you can euthanize instead of the calm golden lab everyone will be upset with you for putting down
Yeah...
The ultimate tragedy of the last few weeks is that the average Israeli will only be more radicalized against Palestine, while the average Palestinian will only be more radicalized against Israel. It's a perpetual cycle of anger and violence that has no end in sight, and I don't feel any hope for a better future for the region and the innocent people on either side of the conflict.
What should have happened, like yesterday, should be obvious to anyone with a brain and a heart: Hamas should free all of their hostages and turn over anybody who participated in the terrorist attack on Israeli civilians, and Israel should cease fire immediately, call all settlers back and return the Gaza borders back to what they were a month ago. Terrorism and genocide are inexcusable, and the simple fact is that both sides have the blood of the innocent on their hands, all because of the politics of greed.
There is much more Israel should be doing. Not least is allowing travel between Gaza and the West Bank.
Neither Hamas nor the Israeli government want peace. They're not going to try to fix a situation neither sees as a problem.
The first thing that should have happened is the dethroning of Netanyahu. The fact the guy who let it happen is still in charge is by far the biggest cause of this.
Wow you must have like, really smart
That is certainly one point and how we are, still Here after decades. Another point is that if you do that, you have become the bad guy.
https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/25/middleeast/satellite-images-gaza-destruction/index.html
It's really insane and the comparison pics are from over a week ago now.
I think they don't mind if everyone in Gaza dies.
Not to worry, we will kill these up-and-comers too
Maybe israel can beat the previous high score of 6 million
Sure, sounds like a well thought out and good pla...
Wait a sec, is that your mom and sister that just got kidnapped and raped? Is that your baby's dismembered head lying at your feet?
Oh shit, maybe your stupid decisions will actually affect you and you'll see how it's not such a good one to begin with.
If you're cool with suffering as long as it's not your own, you're a piece of shit.
Is this the only thing that troubles you? Hamas creates terrorists anyway. Palestinians are being told they need to kill Jews in order to become heroes, which will get them money they really need. It's not much different from Russia where people are led by propaganda but ultimately decide to abandon peaceful life for a chance to get big money.
Palestinians are fighting for their land and their freedom against a war-crime-comitting occupier.
In the past Israel beloved that. But the organization of Hamas has scared them. They believe that they need to destroy the Command and Control infrastructure Hamas has for its 40k person military or Hamas will simply organize followup slave raids.
Even if you magically manage to kill every member of Hamas... You don't think all the killing won't start another terror cell under a different name?