Update: According to Lane County Jail records, the counter-protester who was arrested has been identified as Jonathan James Wisbey. Wisbey, age 51, was charged with 1st Degree Menacing, 2nd Degree …
Article claimed he was flying flags from his truck. I would argue that "flying flags" is reasonably comparable to "holding a sign". "Counter protester" seems an apt description.
Article further claims he didn't "aim a gun" until after his truck was attacked with him inside. That "gun" was quickly determined to be an air gun.
Yeah. It’s funny how the terrorists always accuse “mainstream media” of lies, while the same mainstream media seems to protect them by downplaying their hate crimes.
These alt right morons are so stupid they can't even use the mask correctly. It doesn't even represent their ideals. This idiot saw "AnoN" and thought he'd LARP as the "hacker" 4chan.
V for Vendetta illustrator and co-creator David Lloyd:
The Guy Fawkes mask has now become a common brand and a convenient placard to use in protest against tyranny – and I'm happy with people using it, it seems quite unique, an icon of popular culture being used this way. My feeling is the Anonymous group needed an all-purpose image to hide their identity and also symbolise that they stand for individualism – V for Vendetta is a story about one person against the system. We knew that V was going to be an escapee from a concentration camp where he had been subjected to medical experiments but then I had the idea that in his craziness he would decide to adopt the persona and mission of Guy Fawkes our great historical revolutionary.
V as an idea is a revolutionary protesting against a tyrannical govenrment. Occupy wall street protestors were well known for using this mask.
This guy was shooting at protestors protesting injustice itself. Nothing about the alt right represents these ideas whatsoever. In fact, these people actively vote to keep existing oppression.
Ironically a lot of the ones choosing to support Israel are wildly antisemitic. Israel just needs to exist for their end of days cult prophecies to come true. The Jewish people themselves are irrelevant.
"The comics follow the story's title character and protagonist, V, an anarchist revolutionary dressed in a Guy Fawkes mask, as he begins an elaborate and theatrical revolutionist campaign to kill his former captors, bring down the fascist state, and convince the people to abandon fascism in favour of anarchy, while inspiring a young woman, Evey Hammond, to be his protégée."
The masks seem to specifically be based on the graphic novel and it's appearence. I don't agree with anarchy I guess but bringing down the fascist state is definitely not something MAGA would do. MAGATs support the fascist state. Thus why they tried to not let Biden have his election certified and tried to destroy democracy.
"David Lloyd (born 1950) is an English comics artist best known as the illustrator of the story V for Vendetta, written by Alan Moore, and the designer of its anarchist protagonist V and the modern Guy Fawkes/V mask, the latter going on to become a symbol of protest."
Hey, JP - That's a great outfit. How much do clothes cost in The Matrix?
On a serious note:
Just another example of these far right asshats being violent, and the protesters they're trying to attack showing restraint and peacefully detaining them.
Whatever thing that guy had, it looks like a real gun. He's lucky he didn't get capped as soon as he started firing it.
You're assuming they convict him of a crime sufficient to strip his voting rights. Frankly, I'm surprised they even arrested him after they got the mask off and saw he was white.
Another relevant saying is: curiosity killed the cat.
This dude had to know he's an uneducated dope with no significant experience or knowledge in law, politics or foreign policy. Who tricked him into thinking he knows shit about shit in the first place?
If the protestors who drew their weapons made this guy take the room temperature challenge instead of showing restraint, they would have likely been justified in the eyes of the law, and rightly so. When someone brandishes a weapon from a vehicle, or under the partial cover of a vehicle, it’s not on the defender to check and make sure it’s a real gun. Pulling gun shaped toys in public is a really bad idea and should have fatal consequences.
This is rural-ish Oregon and I'd say it's better then even odds that the police then kill the protester(s), or write up their report to justify an arrest and prosecution. Having protestor/public video would be the only potential saving grace in that calculus, at least if they aren't killed prior to being arrested.
A half hour into the march...a white GMC Sierra 2500 pickup truck sporting multiple right-wing flags—including the Gadsden—suddenly pulled into the intersection...and began firing several shots that sounded like compressed-air.
Imagine being so stupid and gullible that you fly a Gadsden flag and fanatically support right wing facism.
“…along with 100 more of the mentioned whoopee pills.”
I’m sorry, but wtf are whoopee pills? I think they’re referring to the ecstasy, but I have been doing drugs for over 15 years and have never heard them called a whoopee pill before.
Eugene is an interesting place. Feels like the clock stopped there around 1972. Buuut... the big scandal was this giant concrete cross erected illegally on public land in the middle of the night in the 1960s.
Argument was it should come down as a 1st Amendment violation. Counter was "Naw, naw, it's not religious, it's a war memorial..."
Turns out, it was put in the exact same place as THIS old cross:
It's gone now, but they didn't destroy it, just moved it out of town and up the valley a ways to a church property.
Actually the Detroit police chief just issued a statement that there is no evidence whatsoever leading to that conclusion. Which is probably because they have no idea what the hell happened.
Yeah, I should have added an "if" there, since we still don't know what the motivations were. It's possible it could have been a robbery gone wrong, a random weird stalker situation, etc.
Slashed tire doesn't justify threatening with deadly force. Since that is what it was. How are the protesters to know its a replica airsoft gun from distance and not a real firearm. Person was injured since this person caused a fearing their lives scattering and rampage of people.
Hence why he is in charge for menacing charge. Since that is what it is and why it is a crime. Since society knows just threatening with deadly force causes panic and leads to injuries and damage.
The right response to "someone slashed my tire" us to call the cops and should one catch the perpetrator red handed, take out the obiguitous camera phone and take evidence footage of the likely by now running away perpetrator and turn that evidence over to police. That call insurance company.
Depending on the specific circumstances, Slashed tire doesn'tmay or may not justify threatening with deadly force.
FTFY. I do not (yet) know the particular circumstances of this case, so I can't make a definitive argument on this specific circumstance. I am addressing your blanket claim on the subject.
Slashing the tire of a car can be considered assault with a deadly weapon. If a reasonable person would believe it to be done in an attempt to illegally stop or detain an occupant of the vehicle, any level of force - up to and including lethal force - reasonably believed to be necessary to stop that attack would be justified.
That's not a particularly high bar to reach. There aren't many circumstances where slashing tires would be a justifiable use of force.
Again, I have not (yet) reviewed this particular case in depth, I'm only addressing your claim. I would not be surprised to see a claim of self defense, and I would not be surprised if that claim were successful.