Europe Puts Social Programs on Chopping Block to Appease Trump on NATO Funding
Europe Puts Social Programs on Chopping Block to Appease Trump on NATO Funding
"Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed. This world in arms is not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children. [...] The cost of one modern heavy bomber is this: a modern brick school in more than 30 cities. It is two electric power plants, each serving a town of 60,000 population. It is two fine, fully equipped hospitals. It is some 50 miles of concrete highway. We pay for a single fighter plane with a half million bushels of wheat. We pay for a single destroyer with new homes that could have housed more than 8,000 people." - Eisenhower
When did the US elect a COMMUNIST
Kewl. If only there wasn't a country that invaded another country on our borders, that openly talks about invading even more, fucking about with our utilities and using spies, the internet and sabotage to fuck around even more.
A comfy life needs to be secured with military might, like it or not. Otherwise you get assholes in shitholes trying to forcefully take it from you. Rome knew that, the US knows that, the EU knows this (otherwise it wouldn't exist - since it is made to increase bargaining power and contains mutual defense clauses).
So until Russia stops being a militaristic shithole that invades its neighbors and starts building those schools, power plants, hospitals and highways, we need to spend taxes on military. And yes, Russia is a threat - Georgia shown us, 2014 has shown us, 2022 has shown us.
I don't even know why my country is still in this cesspool. NATO is nothing more than an American subsidiary that forces others to buy its shit. My country has the atomic bomb, which is the only necessary thing to guarantee our sovereignty in the very long term. No reason to invest 5% of our GDP in additional death machines, especially when our debt is astronomical.
If we don't win this war now that it's limited to Ukraine, Putin will spread it to first Baltics and then Finland once he his army has regained enough strength. Unless we have developed our defense capabilities sufficiently by that.
We need to be ready for the event that France and Germany decide that Ukraine should fall. And if at that point the only countries that have a serious ability to defend against the Russia are Finland, Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania, then the economy of northwestern EU will be in shambles. And that will definitely affect the rest of EU, including whatever country you are from.
If the whole EU is interested in repelling the Russia when it attacks, then it probably won't even attack. But if only the countries bordering it are interested in that, it abaolutely will attack the northeastern EU. And then your bread will get a lot more expensive.
Jesus fucking Christ. The fact that he is getting away with so much bullshit based solely on the fear that he might do something is absolutely infuriating. Like, I get it. I understand that it's a complicated issue and these people caving to him are trying desperately to appease him to save their own countries or themselves. But this man, and whoever is backing him and possibly pulling the strings, is purposefully destroying society for more money and power. So much shit going backwards because less than 1% of the 8 billion of people on the entire fucking planet felt like they didn't have enough.
And at the end of the day, when everyone is done appeasing a madman, what will be left? What kind of world will we create as we bend the knee to the man that wants us all to suffer? If you appease the madman to save yourself, the only thing you will get in return is a life of fear in a madman's world.
At this point, I'm pretty sure they're just using it as an excuse to wreck social services.
Oligarchic authoritarianism has been on the rise worldwide for the last 20 years at least and people go on about Trump like he's the cause not a symptom. He's about to be dead and these dumbasses will sit around wondering why everything isn't better now that bad man gone.
That would require them to use nato funding to invade the US. Not even if they just called it slavery straight up would that happen.
These are the same people that can't even hold Isreal accountable and you expect them to stop the US from hurting itself ? Considering this is not the first time the US has done this to it's citizens/legal immigrants Europe would be better off holding the US at arms lenth and hoping it implodes
Worse. More like less than 0.0001% of the humans on the planet.
He can get fucked by a huge pine cone. He and those that back him are enemies of humanity at this point, willfully choosing to be cruel and sacrificing lives for money and power.
Don't appease. Destroy. Did it work with you tied to appease any other dictators?
With or without Trump, I don't think Europe has a choice at this point. Yes, if they US held up their part against Russia, Europe would have to spend less. That's the one area where Trump screwed Europe, but that being the case, Europe needs to spend this much on defense. Trump can just be a convenient excuse.
The part that really gets me with this bending the knee shit is that he can have a dementia fit the day after they cut funding for their programs and they'll be in the same spot.
The fuck we are. This sounds like psyop
Well the UK just cut disability benefits.
France is cutting support for chronically ill people.
The swiss government is planning on removing disability benefits for young people…
Dell Switzerland is hardly doing it to appease NATO "allies". Yeah I know they are sort of allied adjacent.
I am not saying that the countries are not doing these things. But are they doing it to curry favor with TACO Trump?
UKs government is weird. How that is labor no one knows. They also are introducing mass survailance. France and germany are trying to please the fascists inside their country. And both are having neoliberal leaders. And switzerland isnt in NATO lol
Neither the UK nor Switzerland is in the EU. And I don't see evidence to any of those claims beyond the UK going to shit either way.
100% psyop
Hey European nations; Nice to know about how your sovereignty works.
I distrust this type of article as China and Russia have lots to gain from trying to stirr up opposition or protests in Europe, especially on this topic of defense.
It's about Russia and it's militarist expansionism, not about Trump.
Its both. But not to appease trump, but to be prepared in case of a standoff
Yeah, I suspect you're right.
No shit Sherlock
Does it say anywhere in the article what social programs are on the chopping block? I've heard this claim hundreds of times, but so far it's on the basis of "it's got to come from somewhere". What if you build military hospitals, military infrastrtucture and military schools? Wink wink, nudge nudge.
it's not listed because this is not what is happening
italy for example put bridge construction in that military budget (as critical infrastructure)
also the subtext was "spend that defense budget in america" and this is not happening either for variety of reasons, so it's partial failure already for them
russia is gearing towards Europe.
The first stage of the war is sowing discontent.
Read up on Gerasimovs doctrine.
A lot of countries got lulled into a false sense of security by USA being in the NATO and Russia not outright attacking anyone for a moment and let their defence deteriorate. And now they're paying for it
"Russia not outright attacking anyone"
Oh so we ignore that they also didnt free eastern europe and return their indipendence like they promised? Ignoring Afghistanistan, backing the communist rebels in greece, ignoring all the supression of any protest in their red empire, ehtiopia, blockading berlins supply. Okayyy.
And we arent paying for it because of the USA said so. We are because our politicians finally realise russia never was a peaceful nation and clearly prepares a war to invate the rest of europe
I mean those countries ignored those things. I'm saying they shouldn't have
ignoring Afghanistan
Stop right there. Your argument is over. Goodbye.
Opinion article. Also they missed many NATO Top nuances, like the whole political game. But yes, NATO members in Europe have been spending more, and more defense is and was needed.
Don’t bow down to the psychopath! You know he’s going to just pull out of NATO anyway.
If the US dumps NATO, that’s all the more reason to increase defence funding. Either that or start learning Russian.
I'd rather he did that than abandon NATO by surprise the moment russia attacks Narva or the Suwalki gap and give "putin, the gambler" the illusion that he can win against the EU...
Just read the article, and did it feel as though it was written by 3 different people to anyone else?
But anyway, the EU undeniably needed to spend more on their collective militaries with a hostile, expansionist neighbor on their doorstep. This is literally one of two things that Trump has been right about in his lifetime.
These days you're lucky if there's even one person writing it.
That's not Trump being right, that's Trump hanging all of America's allies out to dry. A more serious effort to support Ukraine would make it functionally impossible for Russia to threaten Europe. More staunch support for NATO from the US would forestall any attempt at Russian aggression. The EU are setting military funding targets far beyond what Trump demanded, because this has nothing to do with Trump's demands and everything to do with his litany of failures.
Two things can be true at the same time. But I’ll dispute that this is citizen citrus’s fault. European appeasement created the enemy they’re currently facing. Particularly merkel’s germany.
Trump is a swindler who is currently swindling. Europe is a militarily complacent economic bloc wholly dependent on the US. Frankly, this is a terrible, short sighted move, as this removes US military leverage, but it’s a very Trump move.
I guess the camps for disabled are next on the list. The world is making its choice.
No please fuck no
where's all those Europeans that were mocking the Americans on here for the past seven months?
cmon guys! show us how to protest!
pokes with stick
do the thing!
Imagine your population having such a broom up their ass that they think learning about sex will turn their kids into free use sex toys.
Imagine thinking this is to appease the Imigrant Fellan Pedo Fasco President.
Imagine not knowing that this isnt 5% on military but 3.5% on military and 1.5% of set funding for the infrastructure.
Imagine thinking this actually impacts the social system of us. No germany currently isnt cutting down on it because of that but because the Union has always been stupid and has always been fucking over the poor and workers trying to appease the fasco voters of the AfD (it wont work)
Dont need to imagine it, just look in the mirrow :)
Hey, question. How is it going knowing that millions of your people now will die because of the new Tax and health rework because now they have to pay for their own medicine that keeps them alive, but cant afford it?
Its only been 6-7 months since and USA been fuuuck so hard internally and its position on the world stage. 3 years and 5-6 months still to go with this! And that is IF he volunteering gives up his power again.
Is it enought making fun of the USA? I can keep on going:)
Not European, but I hope too Europeans grow a spine, and hold their NATO diplomats accountable today.
Skip the protest, go straight demotion and enlisting antifascists.
I dont know if theres any point in replying as you may have already been abducted by ice, but are you really that incompetent that you cant even organise a protest yourself (if it wasnt clear enough before americans are the most incompetent, useless people on earth)
Why can’t we just distance ourselves from this? Why must we appease him!? 😡
We dont lol Americans think we are because we increase the military spending. We are also not cutting social spending