CIS Truth Nuke

I thought the CIS was a libertarian capitalist movement? They were backed by the Trade Federation, a megacorp that wanted essentially no taxes on corporations?

Yeah the biggest members of the CIS were
-Commerce Guild
-Corporate Alliance
-InterGalactic Banking Clan
-Retail Caucus
-Techno Union
-Trade Federation
very cool smol bean revolutionaries, the clone wars is literally just ancaps vs fascists
kinda but they also bombed the Core worlds so they were historically progressive
Did the trade federation ever say what they wanted
- trade federation was neutral during the war officially, they were on palpatine's plot because he help nute gunray become viceroy of the TF
- uh like naboo disputed something, in some way, and that necessitated a blockade for reasons
  it's so funny how the phantom menace has this rep of being too dry from political minutiae when there are literally no concrete details on the inciting events for the plot. not even in the expanded universe materials!
Critical support

Saw Guerrera wasn't a liberal he just liked huffing gasoline

Whoa now, that's his sister you're talking about there, comrade.
- Nobody's talking about how Saw and Rhydo's relationship was incestuous and tbh it's fucked up.

Star wars is way too stupid to derive any political framework that makes any sense from it.

Yes, thank you! I'd extend it to more than just being stupid. That sentiment applies equally to just about every fictional work. Using atlas shrugged to cheer whatever the fuck rand was trying to push is just as foolish as using a separate peace for examples of codependence.
Fiction can highlight things, but when any author can make gay space communism and super-straight (tm) capitalism equally viable and good for the individuals operating under their systems by simply writing a sentence like, "The super-straight capitalismo empire had citizens every bit as happy and fulfilled as the gay space communitarians across the river," then maybe all the english language arts teachers should take a deep breath and step back from their fart sniffing on the soap box.

Didn't CIS use slave labour in the form of sentient robots?

I always hated how they handled the prequels around this issue. Sending robots into battle is apparently the evil option while the "good guys" are literally cloning people to raise them as soldiers from the day they first draw breath. Somehow, sending machines capable of independent operation into battle is evil but creating human clones for the sole purpose of sending them into battle - human beings who will literally never know anything but war - is "good". And not just the action of the side we're aligned with - the Jedi are ontologically good in star wars and they're fighting alongside the clone troopers. Really weird choice.
I remember Timothy Zahn's Thrawn Trilogy, from before the prequels. Not a lot of pre-trilogy detail, but it was definitely implied that the empire had been around a long time and that the Clone Wars was fought against imperial clone troopers, not that he clones were the goodies. Some fun stuff has come out of post-prequel Star Wars (I haven't seen Andor yet but ironically I had a lot of fun with the clone wars once I got past the bafflingly bad call to make the good guys the ones using clones) but I definitely preferred the old EU in terms of the lore.
- everything they ever said about the clone wars before george shat out those movies made it sound like the clones were the enemy. look at how america names wars.
  it also seems like they should've taken place more than 20 years before a new hope, and the story is way worse for his not paying attention to his own notes.
- Well... there is a more generous interpretation, but I'm not sure how valid it is.
  Palpatine created the clone army and then used the separatists to manufacture a threat that would cause the Republic to accept it. This was an integral part of his plan, it allowed him to kill all the Jedi and consolidate power, because the clones were trained to know nothing but battle and to blindly follow orders. "How does a republic turn to fascism?" is a question that the prequels seem to want to answer, and the clone army is part of that.
  The most generous interpretation would say that the movies intentionally lead the audience on to accepting the Republic as the good guys and the clone army as necessary, and then shows that leading to disastrous results with the aim of prompting the audience to reflect on their willingness to accept the militarization of the Republic as a good/necessary thing.
  However, if that's the idea, the execution is pretty questionable. It's never really made clear who should've done what differently to prevent Palpatine's rise to power. Padme has a line in Ep. 3, "Do you ever wonder if we might be fighting for the wrong side?" But the other side is also being manipulated by the same guy, and even if the Republic were to resist militarization and offer negotiations and diplomacy, Palpatine would probably just get the Separatists to push further in order to create the threat he needed. The writers seem to think it's enough to provide foreshadowing, rather than presenting actual alternatives.
  A better version of the prequels would have clearly established a couple of things: 1. Palpatine's influence over the separatists is not absolute, and they are open to peaceful negotiations, 2. At least somebody (like Padme) is clearly critical and opposed to the Republic's militarization and the use of clones from the start, 3. The Jedi are not ontologically good, and/or have significant disagreements with the Republic, the war, and the use of clones. If those things were established and clearly communicated, then what we have is a story of a fascist using a manufactured/exaggerated threat to justify the controversial creation of a massive military accountable only to himself, while well-meaning people (the Jedi) struggle with the question of at what point should they stop being loyal to a government moving in an increasingly worrying direction. Instead, it really just comes down to the classic lib narrative about Hitler's magical ~~force powers~~ charisma enchanting everyone.
- Yeah, I think that everyone would have been better off if movies 7, 8, and 9 were just the Heir to the Empire trilogy. It's certainly in the spirit of the original movie trilogy. Just film it as-is, do the necessary recasting, and accept that the fans already likely know the story but want to see it anyway. Akin to the Lord of the Rings book fans coming out in droves to see the movies.
- honestly calling it the "clone wars" implies it was a war against the clones so it makes sense why him and other legends writers thought the clones were evil, maybe both factions should have been given clone armies
all droids are slaves in star wars even r2d2
That's like everyone in Star Wars
Literally everyone of every faction uses slave labor in the form of sentient robots. Republic, CIS, Empire, Rebellion, New Republic, everybody.
I've sometimes thought a good Star Wars fanfic could be Anakin rejecting the Jedi and becoming John Brown for droids.
- A droid underground railroad and/or revolution star wars movie or series would be sick
- There was that one droid in Solo who fought for droid rights.
  Unfortunately, she was called L3-37 and by the end of the movie, she became the computer of the Millennium Falcon.
It's wild how the only canon work that even brings up the droid slavery issue in any meaningful way is the Han Solo origin movie. And even there it's played as a joke
Do they ever actually do anything prove droids are sentient in Star Wars?
- Sentience cannot be proven, since it is, by definition, a subjective sense of self.
  But in terms of what has been said about droids in official materials:
  There are different classes of droid, some of which are more sentient than others, and droids can gain sentience over time, which is why the empire regularly wipes their droids
- Do they ever actually do anything to prove biological life forms such as humans are sentient in Star Wars?
  No.
- Droids have personalities, hopes, dreams, fears, preferences and awareness of their own thoughts as well as awareness of their own mortality.

rebel funding and weapons came from opportunistic corporations

the whole-ass CIS droid army and navy being derived from private corporate armies

Nuh Dooku's group are ancaps. The rebellion is fine except for everyone important to it dying that could have recognised the need to redirect it somewhere better.

What you have in Star Wars is a February revolution without an October revolution because everyone that would've realised that would be needed died. Luthen for sure would've turned on Mon Mothma if he realised it was just going to be a rerun of the Republic, which he must very clearly remember first hand. He's old enough to have been Obi Wan's age during it and smart enough to know it was shit and would only lead back to fascism.

does this affect the Glup Shitto lore?

did they remove banana regulations at least?

The only CIS i’m down with.

Saw, Luthen, and Andor I think were not liberals. Saw was like a trot or MLM (not MZT) who kind of was going off the rails a bit in terms of theory and practice but he wasn't a liberal. Luthen wasn't a liberal which was why they had to sideline and kill him off. Andor probably wanted more than what he got which was being a pawn of liberals but wasn't strong in theory though I think would have gladly been a foot-soldier for a more socialist rebellion led by Luthen by the end.

Mon Mothma absolutely was a liberal's liberal as were the Jedi, as were pretty much all the people on Yavin who were shown in leadership roles. So basically Mon Mothma should have been allowed to die (or been killed I guess because she knew too much), Luthen should have engineered killing off the rebel liberal leadership likely using Andor, held theory reading classes, and they shouldn't have trusted any Jedi and maybe things would have gone better.

neglection

relevant Zizek quote

“You know what would be really interesting to do? Don’t denounce me as a Stalinist but, for example – it’s my old temptation – to rewrote Star Wars… presenting Palpatine and Darth Vader as good progressive egalitarian centralist fighting reactionary feudalist, all the Jedi bullshit.
It would tell a completely different story, from the others point. What do they [Jedi] stand for? All that, ‘Republic’, what strange of Republic is when you have a Princess Leila, knights, kings and so on? No, Palpatine the Emperor and Darth Vader, they are my good progressive Bonapartist revolutionaries trying to get rid of the old world.”