No badges. no uniforms. Just manilla folder, walkie talkie, vibes and racism.
No badges. no uniforms. Just manilla folder, walkie talkie, vibes and racism.
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Bytes, my man, you need an archived link. https://nitter.net/PabloReports/status/1919822694477947003#m
Edit: A reminder to go after the argument, not the users. No troll baiting.
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Xcancel works better
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Cops will take as much freedom as you give them and often they will attempt more than they have been granted. Never give cops an inch they are not legally entitled to. In democracies, laws exist to grant people freedom from the power of the state, not to grant the state freedom from the power of the people. Any laws that grant cops protection from the people are laws of a tyranny. We get only the protections of the state that our rights make possible and no more. Trading freedom for security gets us neither.
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The only disappointing part of the article is that the 2 brown shirts continued to live.
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🎶 Stack em high. Stack em high. While they gurgle bleed and die! 🎶
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"ICE" Agents
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I still think about this scene a lot because I've been there sheen relatively normal people casually talked about going to cities and shooting "democrats“ while also talking about the guns they were currently buying. I should have turned them in.
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I wonder if the director told that actor "have, just, the worst trigger discipline. Make it look like you have no business handling a firearm."
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They could be ICE, they could also be the KKK.
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America's Gestapo
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¿Por que no las dos?
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Indeed, my thoughts exactly.
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So how long until real criminals start following suit and impersonating undercover ICE agents? Not like there's much distinction between either "career" now, is there?
And then how long until ICE agents start showing up with holes on the ground because property owners "thought" they were real street thugs trying to rob them? Is there even a way to tell the difference? wink wink
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How long? Negative three months, apparently: https://edition.cnn.com/2025/02/04/us/ice-impersonators-on-the-rise-arrests-made-as-authorities-issue-national-warning/index.html
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And then how long until ICE agents start showing up with holes on the ground because property owners “thought” they were real street thugs trying to rob them? Is there even a way to tell the difference? wink wink
Should happen more often, this aversion to civil violence is a bit like a game of "I drop my weapon, you drop yours" between governments and people, except governments never fulfill their part.
Like Russian opposition trying to do "everything by the law" until realizing the other side never was, it was just silent enough in killing and randomly vanishing people and pretending its just dumb thieves. The same is happening in the EU right now, they just don't know it yet.
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"When tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty." Thomas Jefferson
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He didn't ever say that, actually. It was likely first said by an activist in New Zealand https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/jefferson-injustice-resistance-quote/
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Thomas Jefferson
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Damn hack journalists. It was popularised by Petra Kelly (page 768, 82 in pdf) founding member of the German Greens:
But when the laws of the state are in open rebellion against divine law, ... then resistance is a duty, but obedience is a crime.
...she was dishing it out with the CDU that's why she quoted a Pope, in particular Pope Leo XIII, in 1890:
- But, if the laws of the State are manifestly at variance with the divine law, containing enactments hurtful to the Church, or conveying injunctions adverse to the duties imposed by religion, or if they violate in the person of the supreme Pontiff the authority of Jesus Christ, then, truly, to resist becomes a positive duty, to obey, a crime
It then percolated through general Green-adjacent political spheres as a slogan and became "Wenn Unrecht zu Recht wird, dann wird Widerstand zur Pflicht", "When injustice becomes law, then resistance becomes duty", losing the "and obedience a crime" part. Usually attributed to Brecht, who probably wouldn't mind, totally something he'd say. "I can't eat enough for as much as I want to barf" isn't Brecht, either, it's Dürrenmatt. Actual Brecht quotes include "Who does not know the truth is just an idiot, but who knows the truth and calls it a lie is a criminal" as well as "First comes fodder, then morals". Also, movie recommendation.
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"Batches? We doan need no stinking batches!"
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Stand your ground
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Bullies melt when faced with even the tiniest bit of resistance. Because they are fucking cowards. All bullies are fucking cowards.
They know what they’re doing is illegal, and they only get away with it because some people let them. Don’t be one of those people. When you see your rights being violated, resist! When you see the rights of others being violated, resist then too!
The actions of the manager of the restaurant Chang Chang were not only American, they were patriotic.
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Isn't this the exact reason Americans have so many guns, to oppose tyranny at the hands of the state? Funny how the most vehemently anti-gun control people are the same ones clapping and cheering as government thugs bundle people into detention centers without warrants.
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Because having a gun for fun or feeling of superiority is morally easier than having it as part of citizen's duty.
Makes sense. Maybe should call people of the same political opinions to some responsibility so that they'd arm themselves.
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Yep. The Germans coined a nice term, critically: Vorauseilender Gehorsam - pre-emptive obedience. Don't do it.
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Sometimes not doing it may cost you. When the society is in terminal stage, that is.
When everyone does "preemptive obedience", just not doing it and politely asking "ok, but who you are, please provide some identification and such, or at least explain me how you are different from a random person demanding it, I don't know who you are and why are you demanding this" might cause dangerous levels of fury in someone who is not a random person, unfortunately, just treats a request for their correct identification (which they would be able to provide) and reasons as an insult.
To not let it reach that level, you shouldn't, yes.
Actually maybe we will have a period of history when Germans save everyone from tyranny. I've read they are thinking of returning conscription and are growing military industries rapidly. Maybe for a good cause this time. Should be their turn. LOL.
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“Fascism” is not a German word. It’s an Italian word. Fascism started in Italy before it started in Germany and became something much worse.
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Know your rights!
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At some point, someone is going to fire the first shot. Then it's open season on ICE agents. And you know what? I'm okay with that.
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I do wonder how all the "violence is never the answer" folks will go if it comes to that. I think a lot of them would side with ICE, sadly.
Personally, I won't be upset if a would-be nazi meets an abrupt end to their career.
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Violence is not the answer. Violence is the question. And the answer is "Yes"
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“Violence is never the answer” types are just controlled opposition. Any and every peaceful protest that doesn't have the risk of escalating to violence can and is just ignored. Did those anti war protests against Bush II's wars ever amount to anything?
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how all the “violence is never the answer”
Which is implicit support for covert, hidden violence. The stronger side, the government, the mafia have an advantage in that. The people have an advantage in open violence between the resistance and them.
It just appears that a lot of people are like "I won't support violence until it's bad enough", well, how those dorks would know it's bad enough if when violence is unacceptable nobody can resist or raise their voice and it all remains silent until too late? You don't know when it's bad enough. You can live your whole remaining life thinking it's still fine, because all the worthy people have been killed\imprisoned silently.
A citizen doesn't owe a state any reservation in citizen's demands. A citizen not having that doesn't hurt the society, quite the opposite. So if you feel that the situation demands reservation from you, for some supposedly good reasons, then it means it's very bad. All conflicts in life are too hard and require all your effort and you still often lose, so being reserved for some supposed moral rule without good explanation is not an answer, it's a scam, a Troyan horse, it means your are being deceived to give up without a fight. Probably that you already have.
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You're absolutely right with thinking they'll stick with ICE. People who value Status Quo over all else ("it hurts my head thinking about the world changing, why can't everything just stay the same???????") always have and always will capitulate to Fascist regimes, because it removes the need for critical thought and the obligation to stand for anything. Moderates will be the death of us if we let them.
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remember; always throw a brick at ice
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This is how the brownshirts operated. Just thugs, power trippin', and attracting the absolute worst people who WANT to wear balaclavas and have the excuse to be intimidating assholes and have the power to bundle people into vans (or railcars).
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Brownshirts, I think, didn't wear balaklavas.
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They were probably less cowardly
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Chang Chang
Lol, really? Was no other name available?
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By all means, FIGHT THESE PEOPLE. You owe them nothing.
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Incredible to see this kind of solidarity, tbh.
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Spoiler: They do need a warrant.
Also "you are tresspassed" is a magical phrase that turns ICE agents into criminals and armed ICE agents into armed criminals that you can pull a weapon on.
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Funnily enough the "second amendment" crowd has been completely silent about all this shit. But people really have to use those stand your ground laws.
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I've given up on humanity after the racist Karen in Minneapolis raised a shitload of money off of a Christian based fundraising website while pretending to be the victim of calling a 5 year old racial slurs.
Like we have a problem. Society preinternet didn't have this problem, society after internet didn't have this problem you could be called a dick with no recourse.
Once society figured out you can just make money on being a racist asshole and be crowd funded for it, that's when society went to shit
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I'm not a big 2A guy, but I'm more than well armed and practiced, and I haven't shut up about shooting anyone attempting these kidnappings.
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Most of the second amendment crowd have a "daddy" fetish and want to be ruled by a strongman figure. Mostly cuckish cowards
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Spoiler: They do need a warrant.
Oh yes, they do. Absolutely. They may do whatever they were gonna do, regardless, but standing up for your own rights and the rights of others helps to guarantee them all the way out.
And, sometimes, all it takes is someone willing to stand up and cry the actions of the state
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Yeah but in this county that i reside in only law enforcement can trespass someone.
And they likely won't.
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Only law enforcement can enforce the trespass. But you are trespassed when informed by a person with authority over the property that your presence is not welcome there. If they fail to leave, you can follow up in the courts.
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Owner / caretaker of any property can trespass anyone on their property. Law enforcement included. Which is why they need a warrant.
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Hmm, I would check your local law. That is not how it generally works. If someone is on your property and you tell them to leave and that they are trespassed, then they have to leave. Failure to leave is almost always a crime in progress.
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These guys probably weren't even ICE. At this point, treat it like an attempted kidnapping, or better yet, an attempted 'robbing' of your employees, and give them a free sample of buckshot.
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The footage and other complaints I've seen it could be both. Thugs either way.
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What are the odds it was a couple magats pretending to be ICE to fuck with immigrants or people the think are immigrants.
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They sell fake ICE federal agent jackets too. the Maga people pretending to be ICE could at least have the dignity to spend the 28 bucks on an ice jacket. Trying to get by with just a walkie talkie and a plain manila folder with no documents in it is a disappointing performance. They sell FBI, ATF and police ones too.
https://printerval.com/ice-federal-agent-3d-hoodies-p587374667
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Depressingly high.
But also…depressingly low. The fact that they couldve been actual govt officials behaving this way is…worse?
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Odds are pretty damn good, I'd say.
Still, it's a distinction barely worth making. Garden varity pigs doing this shit are equally as unjust as brand name Pigs doing it.
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Several restaurants pushed back on Tuesday. Here’s an actual article instead of a tweet:
https://www.washingtonian.com/2025/05/06/ice-agents-are-targeting-dc-restaurants/
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Yeah, also it looks like the bird site OP has a substack newsletter with a post that goes into a bit more detail (but reports basically the same thing as that Washingtonian article) - https://migrantinsider.com/p/ice-in-dc-restaurants-brace-for-friday (arc)
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I wanna see security footage of them posted online, so other businesses in the area know there are vigilantes posing as secret police.
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People need to start making this a fafo fatality.
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From the set up, I’d have expected the agents to have unleashed whatever was in that manila folder. You’d think it was important if it was one of the only things they brought in.
Now I’m thinking it was less ICE agents carrying a warrant and more “militia leader bought a pack of folders at Staples” and told his racist minions a folder will get you through doors like wearing hi-vis or a ladder will.
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How do you wear a ladder?
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Very carefully.
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It was just to fan away the fentanyl particles in the air
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I don't think legitimate ICE agents would have backed down. Sounds like an attempted kidnapping...
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They more than likely were with ICE. The agency has massively and rapidly expanded its enforcement personnel, and has done so in a haphazard way that has (deliberately) not given them an opportunity to properly train personnel up on procedures and rules and stuff. Nobody who wants to do good in the world is going to work for ICE right now. So, they've basically just done a presto gestapo, and a lot of times these guys really are just out there doing the sloppiest, shittiest, and most bully-like law enforcement you could possibly conceive of. I know where I'm posting this, I know what we all generally think of cops here, the current state of ice is about ten rungs down from that. We're talking real amateur hour shit, and they'll get away with it if people let them.
The good news is that apparently none of these fucking jokers seem to know or care how to cross t's and dot i's. You absolutely can send them packing, just like these folks did, and if they don't leave, then call your local sheriff's office or police dept. This is really dependent on your area, metro PD tend to be stocked full of major league assholes, but my local PD is actually pretty chill and has a good working relationship with the community; in my experience, sheriff's deputies tend to be people who got into law enforcement because they're true believers in the ideals of law enforcement (protecting life and property, accountability, etc) and constitutional justice, not because they want to flex on minorities. YMMV.
But if you think you can trust one of your local law enforcement agencies, absolutely call up 911 and tell them that you've got some people here that are trespassing (they've been told to leave and aren't), seem to be impersonating law enforcement (since they won't provide proof of ID), and you're worried that they're trying to kidnap someone, that you think these people are an imminent threat to your life or someone else's. That'll generally get the cops out there in a hurry, and they will likely be not very happy at all that ICE is out here putting on a fucking circus. That, or the agents will hear you and fucking split so that they don't get clowned on by local law enforcement. There have been plenty of instances of federal agents getting arrested while fucking around; mind you, they're almost never charged, but nobody walks away from that particularly happy.
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Make sure your local hasn’t agreed to enforce for ICE first. https://themarkup.org/tools/2025/04/16/law-enforcement-ice-cooperation-tracker
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Great advice. And anyone in authority at a place of employment that might be targeted should know exactly how they intend to respond, meaning they must plan for it. As soon as the thugs make themselves known, execute the plan - get one person on 911 doing what you said, while another confronts them directly to try to force them to leave.
I wonder if there are any resources giving concrete advice on what to do in these scenarios? Kind of like how we have great standard advice from various law professionals, etc., about what to do and not do when detained by police.
Edit to add: even if you expect the local PD to come down against your side, it's probably still a good idea to call them in. The resulting time and chaos as they get things sorted out may be just enough to do something useful for the vulnerable person needing help. Remember, once that person is in the custody of the gestapo, it's fucking over, their life is wrecked at best. See only what happened to Kilmar Abrego Garcia for proof.
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That's the problem when they never or rarely properly identify themselves. You can never truly know if they are to be believed.
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there is no such thing as a “legitimate ice agent” ;)
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I doubt they were actually ICE either.
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Behold, the power of "No."
I love to see it.
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It is exactly the same power that Trump uses: the willingness to assert yourself. We need more people to not comply, especially in advance.
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Seems like a good time to remember that the nazi secret police were formed out of existing law enforcement agencies.
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More of this, please. Warrant or not, fuck ICE.
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Only way. Fight back hard...
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We will end up with a general population that knows their immigration/civil liberties laws and rights, and how to exercise them.
It's going to be real interesting.
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They need a warrant
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This is America, the most well armed nation in the world, push us far enough and that manilla folder gonna be full of holes.
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Americans can’t even be bothered to get out and vote against this shit, they ain’t uprising against anything.
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Go corner a wild animal and see what happens.
For those that have only lived comfortable and safe lives, the line where they bite back is far away, and for others that know pain or oppression, the line is a lot closer. But the line always exists, and with the way everything is going right now, we are all diving face-first over that line sooner or later.
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There will come a breaking point though. I hope to never see it, but there is a line that can be crossed that will move people to action. I'll admit, it might be further than it should be, but it's there. Americans may be complacent, but people are people
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i assume asian owners, but yea asians and hispanic(working in the kitchen) have similar cultures even if not from the same continent. a white owner would give them up in a second.
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but yea asians and hispanic have similar cultures
Tell me you never met neither Asian nor Hispanic person...
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have similar cultures
Wha-ha-ha?
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I mean, if you think about all humans have similar cultures due to being human and all
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